I believe that God has logical reasons for everything he does. All the commandments and all are logical as well as moral. There's a few things about Christianity I just can't logically explain, I'm wondering if any of you can give me a hand.

1. The trinity - I can back it up scripturally but how on earth do u explain to a non-believer how the Trinity works!?

2. Pre-Marital sex - Why was this banned. I'm not looking for an excuse to break it I just want to know what logical reasons there are for it.

There was more but my memory's gona atm. (Thats ur fault weebird, ur poor memory has infected me! LOL)

Pre Marital Sex-

The whole thing of husband and wife is just a shadow of Christ and His bride.

It shows to this, so changing and corrupting it is not what God wants.

There are also things like soul bonds that forms during sex. Also the move of demons when truth gets distorted.

When we distort the truth of Christ and the Bride, the demons gets the chance to take control of our members that we yield to them. Cause we move outside of God's grace and call God a liar by what we do.(Denying the purity and the fact that the bride is just meant for Christ, no other)

In pagan times there was prostitutes in the pagan temples. Their soul purpose was to transfer demons to the ppl 'visiting' them. Today in satanism, they still use it for the transferring of demons during rituals.

Hope this helps. I am really open for discussion on this.

The Trinity:

Tell him to write the square root of 2. Because it is impossible, you can tell that: If we can't even write certain numbers, how can we explain God?

the pre-marital sex was a gud help tho If u got more info feel free to post it.

I think there is a logical explanation for the Trinity or at least how it works. A way to explain it without making God sound like a schizophrenic 3 headed mostrosity! LOL

There's a lot of things I don't know. Most of them is about God, the other is stuff dat I don't know that I don't know.

But time learns us a lot of stuff. Maybe the trinity can be explained. But I don't think the scriptures gives a clear understanding of it. NE way it still leaves me with questions. But I've experienced God in all 3 ways. As a Father as Jesus and as a Spirit. So I think he can be all 3. And still be 1.

i've thot of the Trinity a couple different ways. one is something that i heard from a friend, another is from C.S. Lewis. :)

Lewis likened it to space. you draw a line, you've made space 1 dimensional (1D). you use that same line to draw a square, you've now made space to be 2D. now, you add on 5 other squares to that square, you've made a cube, 3D space. (now i know you're not actually creating space, it's already existed. but think of it from God's perspective when He formed this puny little place we call existence). within the cube you have the original elements. the line, the square, the cube.

the same concept is within an ice cube. not only do you have the ice, but it's slowly melting (creating a layer of water on it & underneath it) & their is some vapor going off of it. so it's in all three states (solid, liquid, gas) at the same time. those two are about the best i think the average human mind can wrap itself around the idea of the Trinity.

i have nothing against the trinity, but in reality it was just a concept and was never mentioned in the Bible.

as far as premarital sex, i've always believed in it. the idea of telling my wife i was too weak to stay true to her especially if she is a virgin is too much too bear... altho the thoughts of having sex seem too much to bear at times too.

1 Corinthians 13:4-7 describes love:
"4-love is PATIENT, love is kind. it does not envey, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5-it is not rude, it is not SELF-SEEKING, it is not easily angered. it keeps NO record of wrongs. 6-love does not delight in evil but rejoices in the truth. 7-it always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always preserves."

in that description u can easily tell which choice is made in love. like it has been said before, true love waits. sex is a gift from God and was always ment for a man and a woman in marrige. over the years like many of God's gifts(worship, free will, minds, laws, ect...), it has been perverted in every single way possible. now instead of putting ur spouse above urself u have every one making pleasure and lust their priority. no longer are we acting selfless and in love but all we want is what we want. so many times when God has something wonderful for us we are not willing to fllow his way of getting it and will settle for an immitiation, a perversion of the pure gift God desires for us.

if u wish to marry someday it is best to give ur spouse ur whole self physically and mentally than what is left from a life from debachery. those memories will never fade and they will haunt u at times. so it is best to live a life free from guilt. it is important for men and even women to recognize their natural weakness. don't be arrogent and not ask God for help because u think u can handle it. it is better to be safe than sorry. i've asked him countless times to help me stay pure until marrige. i know and can tell he has been faithfull to my request. we both know my weakness and how much fournication will tear me apart. so if everyone does the same, even if u backslide God will stay true to His word.

Trinity IS mentioned in the bible.
John1:1 "In the beginning was the Word (Jesus) and the Word (Jesus) was with God and the Word (Jesus) was God."

Just sed Jesus is God.
Holy Spirit is called both the 'Spirit of Christ' and the 'Spirit of God'

It's the Spirit of both of them.
That's just 2 I know quite a few more.

Anyhoo the sex thing is bang on.
Never thot of the love is patient bit. ;) Thanx

Trinity IS mentioned in the bible.
John1:1 "In the beginning was the Word (Jesus) and the Word (Jesus) was with God and the Word (Jesus) was God."

Just sed Jesus is God.
Holy Spirit is called both the 'Spirit of Christ' and the 'Spirit of God'

It's the Spirit of both of them.
That's just 2 I know quite a few more.

Anyhoo the sex thing is bang on.
Never thot of the love is patient bit. ;) Thanx


...u never showed me where it's mentioned, that's just how it was thought up, BUT the actually word is not found in common translations, maybe none.

true, the word "Trinity" is never mentioned, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

before they thot of the word "fire", they still had fire, they just didn't know what to call it. i think the same thing applies here. the people during the time of the New Testament (when the knowledge of the Trinity first came forth) were still formulating the idea of the Trinity. so they didn't, as yet, have a name for it.

all this is speculation, but i think it fits. besides, "what's in a name? A rose by any other name will still smell as sweet." for instance, "Jesus" isn't even the correct name. there is no J in Hebrew. & Jesus is actually Joshua. so, technically, we've been calling Him the wrong name for a couple hundred years! He's actually Yeshua!

Did you know the word "Bible" is not in the Bible, thus the Bible is Unbibical ??? (I was being sarcastic, but just because the title of a doctrine is not in the Bible doesn't mean that it is unbiblical)

i never said trinity was unbiblical or wrong, i fact i said i believed in it, i'm just stating that there is no strong Biblical background to justify it(it's not mentioned). i agree with what Unshakeable was saying. in reality it's just a thought up label for all three combined. it's just a symbol for unity. when we choose to serve God there is a fourth peice that represents us. all part of the same Spirit.

I see wot u mean. U believe in the Trinity ur just saying the word Trinity isn't in the Bible. I getcha ;)

The trinity's never explicitly mentioned in the bible, but it's the most logical conclusion to draw (Jesus = God, Jesus = the Father, the Holy Spirit = God; therefore the Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are all God, at the same time).

the word "rapture" isn't mentioned in scripture either. it's just the "catching away" of the saints. but that's another post.

i honestly don't think we'll be able to fully understand the Trinity here on earth. Paul speaks of seeing through a glass dimly. we don't know all the mysteries of God.

the creation account has God saying "Let US make man in OUR image." some believe that's refering to the Trinity.

pre-marital sex isn't God's best because...well...i don't want to get too graphic here, but when a woman's a virgin and has sex for the first time, there is shedding of blood. it becomes a blood covenant between that man and that woman. that's why sex is so extremely powerful. God promised all He did to Abraham through the sacrifice of animals--through a blood covenant. Jesus Christ shed His blood for us in a blood covenant. our covenant with Christ cannot be broken. God's perfect way was to have one man and one woman joined in covenant for life, two becoming one, a mystery even Paul couldn't explain.

biologically, woman's bodies weren't designed to hold multiple sperm. the more sex you have increases your risk for cancer. same goes for men (in the cancer issue). certain STDs are incurable and remain in your body for life, so even after the person stops having sex and gets married to settle into a permanent relationship, their marriage can be plagued by the STD. and then there's AIDS. i heard of a girl who had to have her reproductive organs removed due to STDs, and becuase of that, she started to age extremely fast, so she looked like an old woman by the time she was 25 or so.

seriously, there are too many risks, both spiritually and logically, not to mention the emotional ties that are formed in sex.

intimacy without commitment is not wise.

biologically, woman's bodies weren't designed to hold multiple sperm.

yeah, our bodies were not made to be hotels.

yeah, our bodies were not made to be hotels.


haha, they should make t-shirts that say that

yeah, maybe it would help get some people thinking.

yeah, maybe it would help get some people thinking.


hopefully

In response to the trinity concept...two analogies have helped me grasp it. An apple. There is the core, the flesh, and the skin. Seperate parts but all the apple. Saint Patrick, I've heard, went around with shamrocks and said that the three leaves represented the three entities of God. But the apple one works better for those of us who are more simple minded (<----ME!!!)...Hope that helps.