hey do you think skillet will be on mtv or should they be, or have they been?!i think they shud go out there and show everyone what there made of!!!

i dunno... i think most of MTV is a load of crap, but i also think it'd be a good way to reach the masses.... so all in all it'd probably be a good move....

I think they should. personally I think VH1 is better...but either one.. it would be quite an houor for Skillet to on there.

if either one played music videos, it'd be good. ;) (Fuse is better, but i'm not gonna go there).

for now, i don't think their gonna be on there. from the chat a while back, it sounded like John said they were gonna redo the vid for Savior for the mainstream market. so it probably wouldn't be released until their done with that.

I think it'd be awesome if they were on MTV, as I am not fortunate enough to have other channels like VH1 or Fuse... :'(

im sorry thalia

Yeah, I'm curious to see what they are going to do with the remake. I also want to know if they are going to do vids for any of the other songs.

hmm.. Skillet is not on MTV yet.. but I'm sure we can work that out.. (http://www.mtv.com/onair/trl/votevideo.jhtml) [but... I think we must beware of Skillet being on Mtv and Vh1.]

hmm.. Skillet is not on MTV yet.. but I'm sure we can work that out.. (http://www.mtv.com/onair/trl/votevideo.jhtml) [but... I think we must beware of Skillet being on Mtv and Vh1.]

beware? of what?

yeah skillet shud be put on the trl list or something,jst like radio voting but on TV!! saviour is the only video they've made for collide yeah?!

I was just actually thinkin about "if skillet were on mtv" a few days ago(after YC2004 with three awesome skillet concerts!)And i kinda feel like i'd almost rather they not have a music video on mtv, in that i'm a little selfish, i'd rather skillet be less known because the moment they are more well known, jerks will show up who don't appreciate skillet any where as much as i do and i think other panheads do. On the other hand it would be awesome to see skillet showing up all the other secular bands hehehe! I guess both ways have their ups and downs. But for me, sometimes i don't like change, and this whole idea of skillet going on mtv i can't get extatic about.

well I don't watch MTV so it wouldn't affect me at all. Although we have an MTV channel that shows nothing but the old 80's videos and sometimes we put that one on a crack up at it cuz we used to watch it then, back in the days when it was videos all the time only.... Having said that I would really like to see what they do to remake the Savior video..

beware? of what?
i dont know what else to call it.. besides 'sell outs'.

so being popular is now selling out? did Switchfoot "sell out" because they're played on MTV & Fuse? or P.O.D.? or...

popularity doesn't always mean selling out. some folks sell out to become popular (not always succeeding), but that doesn't mean all must. i, for one, am a firm believer in Skillet not being sell-outs. they're quality of character is such that it just doesn't equate. it's just not them.

Yeah Pillar is also sticking by what they believe in.. And also i saw pod this last friday night can i say that they didnt sell out.. There still serving God as strongly as before if anything more.....

Just a side note: MTV owns VH1 so it isnt much of a difference and they both barely show music vids, but anywho...

I hope skillet are still gonna make a new video for savior. I wonder how they are going on radio. Does anyone know? It would be cool to hear them a bit on mainstream radio over here. You guys are lucky. I mean not that I listen to mainstream.. but.. hmm

they both barely show music vids
Yes. But you forget that when they do it's music videos by the latest hip-hop hit artists involving girls with enhancements dancing. Or just Britney Spears (is there a difference? Okay, I just had to say that)

If Skillet made it to MTV as often as any other artist on there I dunno what'd happen...

they both barely show music vids, but anywho...

Now that you mentiond it, you're right... I rarely see music on there anymore! It's all Cribs and Jackass and other stupid programs... although Punked is pretty good.

hmm.... still even when you do see music on mtv its normally Britany or some hip-hop video or .... I haven't seen a rock video on Mtv in quite a while....

I wonder how they are going on radio. Does anyone know? Savior is currently ranked 29th on R&R (http://www.radioandrecords.com/Formats/Charts/AR_Chart.asp) on Active Rock. don't think it's been released to any other formats yet.

I think Skillet is doing pretty good. At first I thought the MTV thing would be a good Idea but come tot hink about it. Once Skillet gets big there's gonna be potheads and peopel liek that will prolly like skillet. But they wont respect them as much as us regular fans do. thats liekd them for a long time.

well, if Skillet wanted to get on MTV they should go to Fuse, because Pillar has been on Fuse for 3 weeks and now tehyre gonna be on MTV2's headbanger's ball, which plays a lot of Satanic bands.... but....

I usually watch VH1 now. MTV is horrid now. Well, I did see Switchfoot, they are currently no. 2 on the top 20. Therefore, Skillet can get on. [vh1 as well] and this posts makes me sound so evil and all I do is waste my time watching music videos. *sigh*

Yeah, there was a point a few years ago where I didn't watch MTV for 2 whole years. I mean, I programmed my TV to skip that channel and I never watched it anywhere else. I had been too obsessed with watching MTV in middle school, so I thought I needed a break. It was good having no clue what Jackass was and such...I don't much like Rap/Hip-hop anyway...they do play rock, though, but at like 2-3 in the morning!!!

and who wants to watch Aslee and Jessica simpsons life? Well, I dont, some might, I guess...

^So true!! I have no desire to watch hours of them, back to back...ugh...I just want my music back!!! :( :'(

Fuse is a channel to watch for Music Vids... Or if you get the channels MTV Hits or VH1 Mega Hits, though they play mostly pop or hip-hop....

I love ashlee simpson but i really dont liek the show. i find it boring. But yeah MTV needs the rock back.

Now that you mentiond it, you're right... I rarely see music on there anymore! It's all Cribs and Jackass and other stupid programs... although Punked is pretty good.
I might be a bit off here, but I find it wrong to do something like that to someone... break their guitar, take it back as a joke... I'm reminded of a verse in Proverbs ::] and the one they did to Mike Shinoda was just lame. To sum up my babble, that show is pointlessly boring to me. Maybe chuckle or two.

To bring it back, I NEVER see music videos on during the daytime. Other than the occasional "let's drink and shake our booties in their faces" videos, of course. Which makes me wonder if I'd like them on MTV... people would probably try to take a spin on their music like they do with everything else... :-\

I think Skillet is doing pretty good. At first I thought the MTV thing would be a good Idea but come tot hink about it. Once Skillet gets big there's gonna be potheads and peopel liek that will prolly like skillet. But they wont respect them as much as us regular fans do. thats liekd them for a long time.

Yeah, you've got a point and I would rather they didn't get fans who didn't appreciate them and just took up our space in the quewe lines to get autographs.. hehe but I think it could be a good thing too.. think of how many people would look into their old cds and get them and then they would come on these forums and we could talk to them about God

It's a touchy subject... the idea is not appealing to me, but then again...

I think it could be an awesome tool for Christ. I think Skillet already is an awesome tool for Christ. It would also be a great way to start spiritual discussions with the newer fans. I'm all for it, if they don't like and respect Skillet as much, they will with enough time/skillet cds/skillet concerts.

Definitely concerts. lol.

Hey, the more moshing the merrier

I think Skillet is doing pretty good. At first I thought the MTV thing would be a good Idea but come tot hink about it. Once Skillet gets big there's gonna be potheads and peopel liek that will prolly like skillet. But they wont respect them as much as us regular fans do. thats liekd them for a long time.
Think of Switchfoot. They are on MTV. How come they can be on chennels like that.. but Skillet can't?

I think it could be an awesome tool for Christ. I think Skillet already is an awesome tool for Christ. It would also be a great way to start spiritual discussions with the newer fans. I'm all for it, if they don't like and respect Skillet as much, they will with enough time/skillet cds/skillet concerts.
definatly. Non believers might just jam to Skillet, saying this is good secular music. but they will end up here [on ph.org] or doing research and finding out their background about/on their faith.

... and some will accept, and some will turn away. Like some people have recently. But whatever happens I'll still be here supporting them 8)

Id follow Skillet off a cliff... thats all im saying, and yes, im proud to be a lemming :D

i welcome more skillet fans. who says we're the "better" fans? there is no classification here. people become fans when they appreciate the music and enjoy it. and hey, they can make the autograph lines longer...it's rather selfish to say it's "all for me, my friends". cuz if that's the case, a personal concert will do. :)

seriously though, Skillet's goal is to reach out. and if that means things aren't as cool for me as they used to be (or whatever) than that's fine. reaching out is more important.

those searching will look past the surface for something deeper. and we are promised that when we are seeking for the Truth, we will find it. in Him.

cuz if that's the case, a personal concert will do. :)
How'd I know you were gonna say that? :D

Seriously, though, I don't really care if they get on MTV or not, but if they do, I'd have to have someone to stop me if I hear slanderous talk or the like. 'Cause I will not tolerate it.

Think of Switchfoot. They are on MTV. How come they can be on chennels like that.. but Skillet can't?


Hey Im not a huge fan of Switchfoot. but all im saying is that what if all those fans made skillet think. It's all about the fame and the money.
I just don't want skillet to lose what they have. but i might wrong.

I'll email John and ask him, to tell honestly if he's doing it for money and fame. I will trust John that he will tell the truth.

Dude i dont wanna fight here. ok im not saying now. Im saying mor einto the future.
I have a feeling this is gunna go into a huge argument

and of course John will tell the truth. I told u I might be wrong in this whoel thing. Im rwally confused right now. can sumone help me.

Before you e-mail, here it is in Johns own words. http://panheads.org/chat/transcript?date=20040406&file=bandChats/john20040406.log&users=johncooper

oh please guys, do you not get their newsletters? john has said they are not doing it for money. they care about people.

I know! I get it. I emailed John saying no matter how much you tell us [fans] we don't get it.

I do, people! JEEZ! ::] Am I the only one that can imagine a pure-hearted HUMAN BEING!?! :o It's like how I am going into writing... not for the money, but because I enjoy doing it... get it?

so what don't you get? why are they going out?? or...

as far as the money issue - people on christian labels are in it for the money. the "missonary" aspect of it is baloney for a lot of them, to be honest.

yes, the money is nice because it supports them and their families (esp. john and korey with little alex). but they are not driven for the money. it is a vain effort and will never fulfill.

With it settled... [sorta..] vote on vh1.com or mtv.com for Skillet.

i believe before skillet gets on mtv they have to lose the chrisitan band image and water down the lyrics and change their sound alot hehehehehehehhehehe

its some what of the truth just ask pod and chevelle


listen to the lyrtics and music beofre they went big on mtv and after youll seee my theory


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Ok guys i gte I was wrong. just forgive me ok. I do realize they care alot about people. Im really lame to post sumfin like that. just forgive me ok.
I understnad completely.

i believe before skillet gets on mtv they have to lose the chrisitan band image and water down the lyrics and change their sound alot hehehehehehehhehehe

its some what of the truth just ask pod and chevelle


listen to the lyrtics and music beofre they went big on mtv and after youll seee my theory


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Not all bands are like that! [It ticks bands off when they have this Christian label stuck on them... trust me.. I know that.. read it in HM.] It will be interesting when I get that email back from John/Skillet.
And if Skillet is our favorite band.. how came we won't believe them when they say they are doing not for money?

DUDE i told ya Im sorry. they are my favoriote basnd. ok i was wrong i admit it.

yeah, I know.. I'm saying it for the people who dont get it.

i believe before skillet gets on mtv they have to lose the chrisitan band image and water down the lyrics and change their sound alot hehehehehehehhehehe

its some what of the truth just ask pod and chevelle


listen to the lyrtics and music beofre they went big on mtv and after youll seee my theory


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Well ya gotta realize that, unless they're saying "God" *gasps* in a philosophical way, the 'normal' people wouldn't want to hear it. *gasps* what a novel idea! ::]

You have to remember that people don't want to hear the truth, they only want to hear what they want to hear. But the way Skillet does it is just right; they tell them the truth that they already know in the way that they can tolerate hearing so that they go searching for the answers. (Okay, A.D., let's try to make more sense next time, shall we? ::])

yeah, I know.. I'm saying it for the people who dont get it.
ok. sorry im a big jerk sumtimes.
i kind alost my temper.

kara - i'm sorry, i was not attacking you (or anyone else for that matter). i was addressing the mindset. no need to be hard on yourself, no one (on this end at least) is mad at you.

nate - hmm...not every band does. they can maintain their creative way of expressing themselves without compromising. SF and Copeland are the first two that come to my mind as examples.

Not all bands are like that! [It ticks bands off when they have this Christian label stuck on them... trust me.. I know that.. read it in HM.] It will be interesting when I get that email back from John/Skillet.
And if Skillet is our favorite band.. how came we won't believe them when they say they are doing not for money?


IF THEY HATE BE ING STUCK WITH A CHRISTIAN LABEL THEN WHY DOID THEY SIGN TO A chrisitan label hehehehehehehehehehe they created their own pain so therefore your pointmakes no sese neiter does mine im not hear to debate or bicker


they created that themselves . just be a band a nd worry about otherstuff later man

IF THEY HATE BE ING STUCK WITH A CHRISTIAN LABEL THEN WHY DOID THEY SIGN TO A chrisitan label hehehehehehehehehehe they created their own pain so therefore your pointmakes no sese neiter does mine im not hear to debate or bicker


they created that themselves . just be a band a nd worry about otherstuff later man


then they use the chrisitan media to gain accaptence into the secular market not for content but sales thats the only reasons lava signed then same thing with atlantic and pod and windup with creed evanescane and 12 stones they see money chrisitans have money they spend it too

i just think its funny how band use the chrisitan media aoutlet to getthemselves on a pad to launch them into a secular field . If the did not want to be lables d chrisitna then whyin theheck did they start playing on forefront and ardent when they should of just went to lava hehehehehehehehehehehehehe


rmemebr in not here to bicker i love skillet im not debating their choice i am debating the content of what was said in a quote . i love what theyu are doing i dont agree with the post skilltrocks not deabting the bands ts semantics

kara - i'm sorry, i was not attacking you (or anyone else for that matter). i was addressing the mindset. no need to be hard on yourself, no one (on this end at least) is mad at you.

nate - hmm...not every band does. they can maintain their creative way of expressing themselves without compromising. SF and Copeland are the first two that come to my mind as examples.
It's allright. I was just thinking about Britney Spears and all thnose people who wanted to do it cuz they love it and now they do it for the money. I was noyt thinking about How much John really cares about people.

sorry about that guys.
LATER

nate - kinda far fetch. why did they sign on a christian label? their pastor sent their demo to forefront, who really liked their sound but passed it onto Ardent (a division of Forefront) because Forefront was already trying to get a new band started (Bleach). and Skillet was happy there, but in the Hey You era God showed them they would be going mainstream. they didn't run right then and try to make it happen on their own.

invincible, alien youth (and of course, the worship cd) were geared more toward to the church. encouraging us to not get complacent about the things of God. and they felt Collide was to reach out to everyone, not just one particular group.

and they are still going to market the Christian community as well as everyone else. they are not denying God like Evanesence did (not going to go into that on this thread).

so no, they are not doing for money alone. and they are not using the christian market as a stepping stone, like some other bands have done.

they want a bigger audience. they want to reach more people than just "those in a pew".

then same thing with atlantic and pod and windup with creed evanescane and 12 stones they see money chrisitans have money they spend it too


Since when does Skillet have money? I mean, honestly. Do you think they're getting richer by the second? They're trying to pay their bills, like the rest of us. Perhaps you should review Skillet's mission statements that they have made known to the public. Or just talk with John about Lava and why they made the move.

Yeah Skillet really doesnt have money. I justr realized that.

IF THEY HATE BE ING STUCK WITH A CHRISTIAN LABEL THEN WHY DOID THEY SIGN TO A chrisitan label hehehehehehehehehehe they created their own pain so therefore your pointmakes no sese neiter does mine im not hear to debate or bicker


they created that themselves . just be a band a nd worry about otherstuff later man
Bands probably sign to a Christian label b.c it's the easy to get into. And maybe since they are big enough and feel more confident [that they will make it] then.. yeah.

nate - kinda far fetch. why did they sign on a christian label? their pastor sent their demo to forefront, who really liked their sound but passed it onto Ardent (a division of Forefront) because Forefront was already trying to get a new band started (Bleach). and Skillet was happy there, but in the Hey You era God showed them they would be going mainstream. they didn't run right then and try to make it happen on their own.

invincible, alien youth (and of course, the worship cd) were geared more toward to the church. encouraging us to not get complacent about the things of God. and they felt Collide was to reach out to everyone, not just one particular group.

and they are still going to market the Christian community as well as everyone else. they are not denying God like Evanesence did (not going to go into that on this thread).

so no, they are not doing for money alone. and they are not using the christian market as a stepping stone, like some other bands have done.

they want a bigger audience. they want to reach more people than just "those in a pew".

hey mopd you missed my whpole point i was not taling about the band skillet so chill i was replying back from A quote from skilltroks thew semantics of everyhting and yes i know all about skillet a nd ken so i know the story blah blah blah i was talking about a quote re read what i wrote


thnaks please dont think im sounding rude to you i even said i was not questioning skillet devotion to christ . i was replying back too a bad phrase of the skilltroks person. i am not a bicker type person no matter what you guys feel .

and dont forget i hate spell check yp hehehehehehehehehehehehehehahahahahahahahahahehehe hehehehehehehehehe dr evil grin hahahahahahahahahahehehehehehehehehehe


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Originally Posted by isinginmycarthen same thing with atlantic and pod and windup with creed evanescane and 12 stones they see money chrisitans have money they spend it too

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Since when does Skillet have money? I mean, honestly. Do you think they're getting richer by the second? They're trying to pay their bills, like the rest of us. Perhaps you should review Skillet's mission statements that they have made known to the public. Or just talk with John about Lava and why they made the move.

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where do i say skillets name see in the semantics of things you put words in my mouth no where in speech did i say say skillet i did not i said pod 12 stones and creed not skillet skillet or skillet do you get my drift so please before you reply back you cannot know my thoughts i never implied skillet

when using the term they it was refering to the record companies . not the skillet . please re read it man

the record companys are the puppet masters

i believe before skillet gets on mtv they have to lose the chrisitan band image and water down the lyrics and change their sound alot hehehehehehehhehehe

its some what of the truth just ask pod and chevelle
ok, nobody wants to make this a huge upheaval or a big debate/argument. but coming from a grammatical standpoint, you were referrig to Skillet. you talked about Skillet, then used the word "they" (which competent speakers of the English language take as referring to the last group talked about). so, from our standpoint, it seemed as if you were talking about Skillet losing their Christian band image and watering down their message. i'm NOT saying you were, but it looks like it. it was probably just lost in the transit from your brain to your fingers (happens to me all the time).

as for Skillet losing their Christian band image, i kinda think they should. i'm NOT saying they should drop Christianity or Christ-centered lyrics. wha i am saying is that they shouldn't be broadcast as the latest crossover band. :-\ but watering down lyrics is something i'm really not worried about with Skillet. i have the utmost faith in them as Christians that they will stay strong and walk that thin line that so few are able to.

It would have helped if you used proper punctuation as well.

rawr. I bite.


I think Skillet should be on FUSE as opposed to MTV.

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ok this is wha ti was replyin to you about you replied to my quote whicjh was that you pressed the qoute button look up and scroll

Originally Posted by isinginmycarthen same thing with atlantic and pod and windup with creed evanescane and 12 stones they see money chrisitans have money they spend it too


no where do i mention skillet in this quote look a t the word they for your grammatical crap it is refering tro the music labels you silly litte man tsk tsk i replied to you beacuse you quoted this quote and the word they is reffering to atlantic wind up look at the real deal the music labels are the real puppet masters once your sogned to major label your music your band is no longer a ministry it is a buisness and your lifestyle then shifts to a lifestyle ministry moreover then music being the ministry and i was being sarcastic and making a genralization of chrisitan bands that try to make it on mtv waterdown the leyrics its all sarcasm not all of its true but there is some truth to it . hehehehehehe

love you man

not trying to bicker i am not really a butthole


adios much lovce

again i hate spell check sorry for all of you hehehehehehehehehahahahahahahahhehehehehehehe

hehehehahaha after you being here this long I actually don't need you to spell check anymore 'cause I'm so used to reading it. Odd, really, but good.

I must say, you sarcasm's a bit dry... perhaps you should add something in to make it seem more sarcastic, it might help make it easier for other people to read. I don't need it, thankfully (since I'm so overly-sarcastic I can tell when something is funky), but again, it'd make it easier to choke down for others. Maybe some punctuation could help, but if you don't want to use punctuation, you've got me on how to better display sarcasm.

As for Skillet on MTV, it'd have its ups and downs, as everyone above has posted. So it'd be all up to them, and whatever choice is made I am sure they will do their best job adjusting to the changes. I do know, however, that they won't comprimise their love of God to do this.

nate - my bad. sorry for reading into the post wrong.

I agree what disciple said. it's skillets decision. we're not deciding fot them. It's all up to them. who agrees with me.