inscrutable
10-06-2003, 08:32 AM
Ok, is this just a me thing, or does anyone else get a random urge to do something? Like, everyday I get the urge to cut off all my hair. Now, I know what you're thinking, I probably have long hair. But that's the thing, I have really short hair, yet I'm still temped to cut it all off. And I don't know why.
Other times I'm temped to take a knife and cut my arm. I don't know why. I am not depressed or anything and I know it's bad but I still get 'the urge'.
Sometimes I just want to cry but I'm pretty sure that's because of stress and drama.
But does anyone see what I'm saying? I mean, where do these urges come from? I realize that they can come from stress and stuff but I'm not convince all of these out-of-the-blue-relating-to-nothing urges come from that. What's everyone's thoughts?

chaotic-land
10-06-2003, 09:06 AM
i had a similar experience and i think it has to do with the desire to change the conventional and spice thing up, try something new as welll as curiosioty. like u, i have little clue why i thought this, but when i was at my uncle's he had a friend over. this guy was normal, friendly, and i had no problem with him what so ever. but for no reason, i had an extreme urge to punch him right in the face. the whole time i was thinking "wonder what would happen, there's only one way to find out". i'm not violent in the least as well, but i still, for no reason, wanted to punch him. the urge was so strong that i had to move away from him cause i feard i would do it.

bothan4777
10-06-2003, 01:33 PM
my opinion on what these urges, "out of the blue" urges, more specifically, is that they are the enemy yelling in your ear when you least expect and also at a time when you're most likely to give in...

when you reveive a "urge" like that and you know it's not biblical, for instance the cutting, (see the self-mutilation thread/mark5:5) you know it's not from God and with that you need to resist and pray to God for His word to seap through instead of satans

freak_for_god22
10-06-2003, 02:17 PM
Yeah thats true.. the urges are from satan.. he knows that if he tries and ur weak u might give in... pray pray pray.... and believe in God and tell satan no. u have the power and authority to override him .. ur stronger and bigger then satan..

lady-light
10-07-2003, 08:39 AM
Amen, completely, anytime you have urges to harm youself (no I don't mean when you cut your hair ;)) Satan most likely has a part in your feelings. Pray, and listen to God, he has the peace of mind that you require.

bothan4777
10-07-2003, 10:41 AM
even cutting hair... the bible says that a woman cutting her hair off is seen as a disgrace.

10-07-2003, 10:49 AM
I get random urges to throw myself in front of cars. Hilarious- yes...but i actually have to resist from actually doing it. Whenever i get urges like this, it is always in a negative light, and so I know that it is either satan, or my humanity....

even cutting hair... the bible says that a woman cutting her hair off is seen as a disgrace.

haha!!!! ;D Ah yes. I like this argument. Thank God I am saved by grace, and not by the law.

thalia
10-07-2003, 12:24 PM
Yes, it's really scary. I've been driving for almost 4 years now and I'll sometimes be driving and just feel like crossing the center line and crashing head-on into the on-coming car or truck. These feelings are very disturbing and frightening and I know that they can only be from one person: Satan. I also have urges to just cut off my hair. And I DO have really long hair (I can sit on it!)! That scares me too, cuz I DON'T want short hair. Whenever I get those feelings, I just try to clear my mind and pray, and it works! The feelings just go away and I become calm and relaxed! :)

inscrutable
10-08-2003, 09:34 AM
hmmmmmmmmmmmm...
thanks everybody!
I was think along the lines that it was Satan behind the urges but I think I just needed some reassurance.
hmmmmmmmmmmmm...

bothan4777
10-08-2003, 09:40 AM
^yes i think that's pleanty reasurance as well.


Yes, it's really scary. I've been driving for almost 4 years now and I'll sometimes be driving and just feel like crossing the center line and crashing head-on into the on-coming car or truck.

i also have that urge, but, (despite the fact that im almost 18, i still dont have my license, so) when i'm riding my bike, i have the urge to go as fast as i can (my top speed is 33mph ;D) and run into a wall or go into traffic (the opposite way). mostly for the fun of it and also to end my life...

but i know that's not within God's will (err, not yet!? ::) ;))

homeskillet
10-09-2003, 05:22 AM
How wierd, chaotic, I know what you're talking about. I've had the urge just to slap someone while they were talking to me or to punch someone for no reason. I just thought I was mean! ??? Thanks for sharing that. I feel better by reading this thread.

Heri Altariel
05-11-2005, 08:20 AM
Yes, I know this is an old thread...but...

Sometimes I get the urge to cut my wrists...but I keep myself from it because I know it's not a good thing to do...and I also get sudden urges to start crying and I can't stop...

fire-inside
05-11-2005, 09:17 AM
There's nothing wrong with an overwhelming urge to cry. Sometimes you just need to have a good cry and let out all your emotion and hurt or whatever else it is that you're going through at the time. Better you cry your eyes out for an hour than cut yourself up.

Heri Altariel
05-11-2005, 09:18 AM
Yes, crying is certainly better than cutting myself...

lamb_servant72
05-11-2005, 09:43 AM
I am glad you opened this thread back up, it has alot to do with a new topic I wanted to post, so I'll do it here.

What do you guys think about the transference of spirits? Like with chaotic and homeskillet, maybe these guys they were talking to had a violent spirit that was trying to affect chaotic and homeskillet. I had a pastor's wife tell me once that they were praying for a guy with a spirit of lust when suddenly she had the urge to pinch his butt!

Alexander William Ness wrote a book called the Transference of Spirits. I haven't read it, but I read the back of the book. It said this can happen when our spiritual capacities are open to such reception. So I guess using our sword (scripture) and prayer is how to fight these "urges".

We really need to be armed with the Word in our hearts and His protection when we minister to people, or just walking out of our door to go into the world to work, school, store, etc!

Legacy
05-11-2005, 01:43 PM
Those wouldn't be "spirits" they would be demons.

lamb_servant72
05-11-2005, 02:19 PM
A spirit is am immaterial being. There are evil spirits (demons) and good spirits ( the Holy Spirit, angels).

Hebrews 1:7,14 7 And of the angels He says, "Who makes His Angels winds, and His ministers a flame of fire." 14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent out to render service for the sake of those who will inherit salvation?

1 Samuel 16:14-23 I don't feel like typing all of this, but it is about,"an evil spirit from God".

1 Cor 12:10 says the distinguishing of spirits is a spiritual gift.

Eph 6:12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against...the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.

Legacy
05-11-2005, 02:33 PM
Ahh, yeah angels forgot those. But a spirit that is telling you to do bad things is a demon

Heri Altariel
05-11-2005, 02:34 PM
Yes, a spirit that is telling you to do bad things is a demon...

Tharpy
05-11-2005, 02:42 PM
Right Leg....

Heri, what kind of genre does my chemical romance fall in? their music... j/w


back on topic...i believe the urges are from demons from satan

Heri Altariel
05-11-2005, 02:45 PM
Hmmm...vampire rock/punk and others...

Legacy
05-11-2005, 02:45 PM
My chemical romance is a kinda goth band

there is a thread in music buzz for that so stay on topic

relentlessone
05-11-2005, 05:29 PM
"What do you guys think about the transference of spirits? Like with chaotic and homeskillet, maybe these guys they were talking to had a violent spirit that was trying to affect chaotic and homeskillet. I had a pastor's wife tell me once that they were praying for a guy with a spirit of lust when suddenly she had the urge to pinch his butt!

Alexander William Ness wrote a book called the Transference of Spirits. I haven't read it, but I read the back of the book. It said this can happen when our spiritual capacities are open to such reception. So I guess using our sword (scripture) and prayer is how to fight these "urges". "




thats a really interesting concept..
i was just reading this morning, how when Jesus healed ppl, he "carried" their diseases.
and i guess i never thought about the load you would have to carry if God sends you to heal ppl, all the strength and perseverance needed.
it really makes you consider how much you desire it...

Red_gal
05-11-2005, 06:21 PM
It could be due to lots of things. Some are just spontaneious. I went through it a few years ago, and its okay to change and all of that.

Heri Altariel
05-11-2005, 06:35 PM
Sometimes...I get the urge to kill myself because nobody would really be expecting it...

Red_gal
05-11-2005, 06:46 PM
Well it's only taken me a few years to grow out of the hair cutting thing, but it has happened. I've always liked short hair on others, because some people do have nice shorter haircuts.

Heri Altariel
05-11-2005, 06:50 PM
Umm...okay, that was rather random...

Red_gal
05-11-2005, 06:55 PM
Ok, is this just a me thing, or does anyone else get a random urge to do something? Like, everyday I get the urge to cut off all my hair. Now, I know what you're thinking, I probably have long hair. But that's the thing, I have really short hair, yet I'm still temped to cut it all off. And I don't know why.
Other times I'm temped to take a knife and cut my arm. I don't know why. I am not depressed or anything and I know it's bad but I still get 'the urge'.
Sometimes I just want to cry but I'm pretty sure that's because of stress and drama.
But does anyone see what I'm saying? I mean, where do these urges come from? I realize that they can come from stress and stuff but I'm not convince all of these out-of-the-blue-relating-to-nothing urges come from that. What's everyone's thoughts?


Just have your hair any way you like it. They happen for different reasons, but the way to look at it is that things just change and yes, stress/situations can cause alot of things. It's normal to want change, life is just too boring without any of that (like what your trying to say).

lamb_servant72
05-12-2005, 06:02 AM
Relentlessone, thank you for sharing that! I have heard minister's talk about how exausted they are after ministering. They have to step back and "regroup". Get filled again.

I have been trying to support someone lately who has some addictions. I have found myself over the past week having some related dreams. I don't like it. I KNOW it is from the demon I am fighting in the spirit. I have considered backing off from this person for awhile. Maybe as a part of the Body of Christ, this is not what I am annointed to do right now. I just really feel like the Holy Spirit is giving me a warning flag. There are other people ministering to this person, so they won't be abandoned. I just feel like maybe it's time for some tough love. This person is resisting deliverance counseling, and what I am feeling my stance should be now is, "I love you and I want more than anything to see you set free, but I can't hang around you as much until you go through deliverance, because I am being affected by this."

Another thing I've been thinking about concerning the tranference of spirits really ties in to what relentlessone said about Jesus carrying our diseases. God has really been working on me recently about what it means to be a true servant. I have been asking God off and on for several years for healing. I have studied healing, read every book I could find, etc. The other day when I was praying about it, God said, "What it I want you to have it." Wow. I wasn't expecting that. But I said, ok, thank You, God. But then I started wondering why (not in a negative way, just curious as to what God wanted to do with this). The first thing that came to me was, if God heals me, what if this goes to someone else, and they can't handle it? I felt like I was being a servant by not causing someone else to have pain.

Now, that part didn't come from God, so I could be way off. If it is a demon, how can he stay when I'm praising God? I don't know.

lamb_servant72
05-12-2005, 06:51 PM
To clarify - I am not saying that EVERY time we have an "urge" it is the transference of spirits or demons. But, some of the urges descibed in this thread could be caused by this.

I always thought that a spirit telling you to do bad things would be a demon from Satan, too. But what about 1 Samuel 16:14-16, 23, "Now the Spirit of the Lord departed from Saul, and AN EVIL SPIRIT FROM THE LORD terrorized him. 15 Saul's servants then said to him, "Behold now, an evil spirit from God is terrorizing you. 16 Let our lord now command your servants who are before you. Let them seek a man who is a skillful player on the harp; and it shall come about when the evil spirit from God is on you, that he shall play the harp with his hand, and you will be well." (skip to 23) So it came about whenever the evil spirit from God came to Saul, David would take the harp and play it with his hand; and Saul would be refreshed and be well, and the evil spirt would depart from him.

According to this, the evil spirit was from God.

Another interesting story is in 1 Kings 22. Ahab wants to go to war against Ramoth-gilead. He inquires of the prophets concerning what he should do. To the host standing around His throne, (verse 20)the Lord said,"Who will entice Ahab to go up and fall at Ramoth-gilead?"...21 then a spirit came forward and stood before the Lord and said, "I will entice him." 22 And the Lord said to him, "How?" And he said, "I will go out and be a deceiving spirit in the mouth of all his prophets." Then He said, "You are to entice him and also prevail. Go and do so."
(This is an interesting story if you'd like to read the whole thing...)

This spirit is being deceiving, that is lying, one of the ten commandments. And God is TELLING the spirit to do it! Is this spirit and angel or a demon? Can demons be in heaven around the throne? Satan did in Job (Job 1:6).

My question is...based on these verses in Samuel and Kings, do we KNOW that a spirit that tells someone to do something bad is always a demon?

This was interesting to me, and I've been wondering about these scriptures for a while.

Tharpy
05-12-2005, 07:47 PM
Wow, never thought of that...

sky_flashings
05-13-2005, 09:41 AM
About the transference of spirits...
It makes complete sense to me that that would happen. I mean, think about it. If a demon was trippin somebody up and leading them to destruction and you suddenly come along trying to change that, wouldn't it be upset at you and try to stop you?

sky_flashings
05-13-2005, 09:49 AM
Also, in Philippians 4:8&9 it says "Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable-if anything is excellent or praisworthy-think about such things. Whatever you have learned or received or heard from me, or seen in me-put into practice. And the God of peace will be with you." God does not want us to dwell on bad thoughts because he knows that if we dwell on them, we will be more inclined to do them. Which is why people should not dwell on these urges, which I do not think come from God.
HOWEVER...
This does not mean that God could send a demon to try to trip us up for whatever reason He has. I mean, just look at Job's life. It was great until Satan requested that he test his faithfulness to God, and God let him make Job's life miserable. So I don't think urges are neccessarily demons working on their own to attack, but God working in our lives to build our faithfulness, and strength in Him.

asparagus
05-13-2005, 10:08 AM
Relentlessone, thank you for sharing that! I have heard minister's talk about how exausted they are after ministering. They have to step back and "regroup". Get filled again. This reminded me of a book I've read a little of called Velvet Elvis. Here's (http://alexandsierra.com/elvis.htm) the link for it and here is where it can be bought here (http://www.zondervan.com/Books/Detail.asp?ISBN=031026345X). I love the book so much you will probably hear me quote it endlessly.

fire-inside
05-14-2005, 07:35 AM
Sometimes...I get the urge to kill myself because nobody would really be expecting it...
Sometimes... when I hear people say stuff like that, I think they're saying it just to see what kind of reaction they can get out of people.

Heri Altariel
05-14-2005, 07:59 AM
I'm not like that...

Legacy
05-14-2005, 11:00 AM
Sometimes... when I hear people say stuff like that, I think they're saying it just to see what kind of reaction they can get out of people.


Wow dude, she was just stating that sometimes she gets the strange urge to kill herself, just like people have been saying their strange urges. So to me it just sounds like you want to start some thing.

Legacy
05-14-2005, 11:04 AM
To clarify - I am not saying that EVERY time we have an "urge" it is the transference of spirits or demons. But, some of the urges descibed in this thread could be caused by this.

I always thought that a spirit telling you to do bad things would be a demon from Satan, too. But what about 1 Samuel 16:14-16, 23, "Now the Spirit of the Lord departed from Saul, and AN EVIL SPIRIT FROM THE LORD terrorized him. 15 Saul's servants then said to him, "Behold now, an evil spirit from God is terrorizing you. 16 Let our lord now command your servants who are before you. Let them seek a man who is a skillful player on the harp; and it shall come about when the evil spirit from God is on you, that he shall play the harp with his hand, and you will be well." (skip to 23) So it came about whenever the evil spirit from God came to Saul, David would take the harp and play it with his hand; and Saul would be refreshed and be well, and the evil spirt would depart from him.

According to this, the evil spirit was from God.

Another interesting story is in 1 Kings 22. Ahab wants to go to war against Ramoth-gilead. He inquires of the prophets concerning what he should do. To the host standing around His throne, (verse 20)the Lord said,"Who will entice Ahab to go up and fall at Ramoth-gilead?"...21 then a spirit came forward and stood before the Lord and said, "I will entice him." 22 And the Lord said to him, "How?" And he said, "I will go out and be a deceiving spirit in the mouth of all his prophets." Then He said, "You are to entice him and also prevail. Go and do so."
(This is an interesting story if you'd like to read the whole thing...)

This spirit is being deceiving, that is lying, one of the ten commandments. And God is TELLING the spirit to do it! Is this spirit and angel or a demon? Can demons be in heaven around the throne? Satan did in Job (Job 1:6).

My question is...based on these verses in Samuel and Kings, do we KNOW that a spirit that tells someone to do something bad is always a demon?

This was interesting to me, and I've been wondering about these scriptures for a while.

It could be that a demon was sent by God or just allowed to terrorize him. An evil angel is an oxymoron.

lamb_servant72
05-14-2005, 02:13 PM
But remember the demons were angels that were banished from heaven. So, even though it does sound like an oxymoron, technically, that's what they are!

theelectric3
05-14-2005, 08:33 PM
another word for demon is fallen angel. because you are right. they were once in the very presence of God. in the old testament account of Moses, we learn of the angel of death. there are evil angelic figures.

aliengurl7
05-14-2005, 08:40 PM
I dont think demons are fallen angels because It says in Jude that their chain up till judgement day.
Jude 1:6 And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgement of the great day.

I believe their the nephilim the offspring of the angels. Just my opinion though on who they might be since the bible never says specifically who they are but who knows.

Legacy
05-15-2005, 10:20 AM
Demons are the angels that Lucifer took w/ him to Hell. The bible says it was somewhere around 1/3 of the angels. Even Lucifer himself was an angel. After Lucifer was punted from Heaven, Micheal took his place as arcangel.

aliengurl7
05-15-2005, 11:12 AM
yea, I know who the fallen angels are. They lusted after women throw from heaven etc etc etc. But the bible itself never says their demons which are the evil spirits.I just believe fallen angels and demons are two seperate beings.As I stated above.

Taurus
05-19-2005, 05:45 PM
origional topic being urges in general...how exactly do you stop yourself once you've gotten caught in it a few times...one time is too many but how would you get OUT once your in?
If anyone understood that question...

Heri Altariel
05-19-2005, 06:57 PM
Gosh, I understand your question...but I wouldn't know how to get out of it...

sky_flashings
05-19-2005, 09:05 PM
Often times I have found that when I get the urge to do something of this sort that it's best that I just think about something else. It's difficult sometimes, but I find that it helps if I focus on something else. I might do something like pray, read, rock, do homework, or just in general do anything that requires concentration. Sometimes, though, we submit anyway. =/ I guess then it's a question of whether or not the consequences of our actions will aid in defeat the urge next time it comes...

relentlessone
05-20-2005, 05:40 PM
Taurus, if i get you right... this urge you're getting into isnt a good thing, so i would tell you that if this is something you want to seriously free yourself from - then take it to God with all your heartfelt prayers...

once you're in the cycle of that negative thing, its really hard to pull yourself out - especially when you try to do it by your lonesome. just call out on Jesus, He'll come running with all the gear to get you out of that urge.

lamb_servant72
05-20-2005, 07:32 PM
Taurus, I think it's cool the way you put that out there and asked for help. I agree with Relentlessone; Ask God for wisdom and ask Him to give you a hunger for Him like you've never had.

It definently sounds like the enemy is engaging in battle against you.

Eph 6:17 says that we are to take up the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.

I pray that God will give you a hunger for His word like you've never known. The word is your sword against the devil.

lamb_servant72
05-23-2005, 04:59 AM
yea, I know who the fallen angels are. They lusted after women throw from heaven etc etc etc. But the bible itself never says their demons which are the evil spirits.I just believe fallen angels and demons are two seperate beings.As I stated above.


I understood what you were saying after this explanation. This idea was entirely new to me, and it challenged me to search scripture for a better understanding.

I think the verse in Jude may be talking about the FIRST judgement. Isaiah 24 says that the fallen angels are in the heavens and that they will be gathered with the kings of the earth in that day to be confined in prison and then they will be punished.

We know that Satan is the ruler of this world (John 12:31) and that he is active. He tempted Jesus in the wilderness. He went before God and asked to torture Job, and he was granted his request. So, he can be in Heaven before God's throne and on Earth. If the fallen angels are already in there confinement, why isn't he?

We also know the demons, unclean spirits, or evil spirits are apart of his kingdom. Remember when the Pharisees said that Jesus was casting out demons only by Beelzebul the ruler of the demons (Matt 12:24,27, Mark 3:22, Luke 11:15)? The fallen angels would fit into this catagory, they chose to worship Satan instead of God, although I'm not saying it couldn't be something else.

Where in scripture did you find that about "They lusted after women (and were thrown?) from Heaven?" I know that Gensis 6:4 says, "The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came into the daughters of men, and they bore children to them." I have wondered about that scripture. The only thing I can find on Nephilim is that they were giants. They were the giants the spies saw in Canaan.

I thought it meant maybe that the humans DIRECTLY created by God (the sons of God) were only suppose to marry each other (I think maybe God continued to create people after Adam and Eve. If not, where did Cain get his wife?) And then their offspring (the sons of man) were suppose to only marry each other. God's Word translation actually says, "...the sons of God slept with the daughters of OTHER HUMANS and had children by them. To me, this reads as if the sons of God were human.

aliengurl7
05-23-2005, 10:50 AM
I think the verse in Jude may be talking about the FIRST judgement.


What is the first judgement? And how many judgements are there?


If the fallen angels are already in there confinement, why isn't he?


Because I believe only the angels that went after the women are confined.Though I do believe the other angels that rebelled with satan aren't chained up. I dont know where they are the bible doesn't say but if they aren't chained up it makes sense why satan isnt either.


Where in scripture did you find that about "They lusted after women (and were thrown?) from Heaven?"

Well they saw that they were beautiful and went after them so I consider that lusting.


To me, this reads as if the sons of God were human.

They can take on human form but they themselves are not human.


The only thing I can find on Nephilim is that they were giants.


Right, when genesis says The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward,.... well after what? Meaning quite possibly they (nephilim)weren't destory during the flood.That they still remained on earth.

lamb_servant72
05-24-2005, 04:38 AM
I love it that we can get so many different viewpoints on scripture. That helps me so much.

I know that none of us has all of the answers, and I believe when we get to Heaven we are suddenly going to go, "OH, THAT'S what that meant...boy did I have that confused!" But for the time being, it's fun to share what everyone thinks.

As for the judgments, it has been a long time since I studied Revelation, and I don't have time right now to go back and study to be specific. Some people say there are seven judgments. Off the top of my head...there is the judgment of the Church at the Judgement Seat of Christ which is terms of our rewards, there is the Great White Throne Judgement which is of the dead, there is the judgement of the Jewish nation...

I'm sorry I don't have more time right now to look all of that up, but maybe that will give you an idea of what I'm talking about. If it is really important to you, we could study Revelation together and share ideas, Maybe?

When I asked you where you found that in scripture that they lusted after women so they were thrown from heaven, you misread what I am asking. I am assuming you are refering to Genesis 6:4. You are reading that assuming that the Nephilim and the sons of God is one in the same, and that these are the angels that were thrown from Heaven.

Just like you are saying that no where in scripture does it say that the fallen angels are demons, no where in scripture does it say that the Nephilim are angels or that the sons of God are angels. Do you see what I am trying to say?

I am not saying you are wrong. I HATE arguements over the Bible. I just like to look at everyone's thoughts on the Word. I think that is one way we grow. That is why teaching is a part of the five fold ministry. I appreciate you. I just always assumed that the demons were the fallen angels because that it what I had been told and I thought everyone believed that. I appreciate another viewpoint.

Let me see if I can word Genesis 6:4 in a way to help you see how I am reading it. First, let me point out that human men are called the sons of God in the Bible. So, to help you see how I'm reading it, I will do that.

Deut 14:1 You are the sons of the Lord your God.

Matt 5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God.

Romans 8:14 For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.

Galations 3:26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.

This is how I read Genesis 6:4 The giant men were on the earth in those days, and also afterward. That was back when good men came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men of old...

Does that help you see how another way to look at it?

You have a very good point about the flood. Although if you read the creation/evolution thread, it does talk about how even right after the flood, because of the atmosphere still being so good, the men could have still gotten as large as they were before. Every generation after the flood was affected more and more in decline of age and size because of the slow changes in the atmosphere.

aliengurl7
05-24-2005, 10:55 AM
yea, now I understand your view point. And I would love to go through rev maybe some other time with you.Although this is the first time I ever heard of this veiw.I must say it is vey interesting to hear diffrent opinions on the same scripture.


Genesis 6:4. You are reading that assuming that the Nephilim and the sons of God is one in the same, and that these are the angels that were thrown from Heaven.


No, I dont believe angels and the nephilim are the same thing. I believe the nephilim are the offspring from the women that the angels mated with.Im trying to say maybe their(nephilim) the demons not the angels not that I know for sure just a thought.Sons Of God are the angels not the giants.Remember I said that the fallen angels are chained up waiting judgement.

Just like you are saying that no where in scripture does it say that the fallen angels are demons, no where in scripture does it say that the Nephilim are angels or that the sons of God are angels.

"Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth? ...when the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy" (Job 38:4,7, RSV)

This is how I read Genesis 6:4 The giant men were on the earth in those days, and also afterward. That was back when good men came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men of old...


Ordinary human males marrying ordinary human females does not account for why the offspring were "giants" or "heroes of old, men of renown". Further, why would God decide to bring the Flood on the earth (Gen 6:5-7) when God had never forbidden powerful human males or descendants of Seth to marry ordinary human females or descendants of Cain. The oncoming judgment of Genesis 6:5-7 is linked to what took place in Genesis 6:1-4. Only the obscene, perverse marriage of fallen angels with human females would seem to justify such a harsh judgment.

aliengurl7
05-24-2005, 02:32 PM
6) And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. 7) Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire."Jude 6-7




"For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; 5) And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eight person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly, 6) And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an example unto those that after should live ungodly..." 2 Peter 2: 4-6




From these two passages, it is clear that Peter and Jude both affirm that the "sons of God" in Genesis 6 were angels, who committed fornication. Not only does study of the text in Genesis 6 reveal this plainly, but we have "two witnesses" from the New Testament, both which reference Noah's time period and the sexual sins of Sodom and Gomorrah, to contrast to the sin of the angels being mentioned in these passages (consider also interpreting 1 Corinthians 11:10 without this view - Paul is a third NT witness).

The Greek word "Tartarus" (used here to denote the "darkness" where these specific angels are confined) was also the "underworld" where the Titans (hybrid man-gods) are being held, according to Greek mythology. These passages are the only time in scripture the word "Tartarus" (the Greek underworld) is used to refer to hell. Peter and Jude knew their audience, and they knew exactly what they were talking about.

In fact, the term "Giants" in the KJV is only rendered as such, because the Greek translation of the Old Testament (Septuagint) used the phrase "gigantis" in Genesis 6, which was the Greek word for the Titans of (ahem!) "myth," and is where the English word "giant" originally comes from, hence this rendering in the King James Version. All other modern translations remain faithful to the Hebrew root word "naphal," which means "to fall," or "fallen ones."

dynamic099
06-09-2005, 09:52 PM
the only thing i "get the urge" to do is go to a hair-cutting place (like walk down to the nearest snip n' clip) and cut my hair up to my shoulders. that'd get a lot of attention because my hair is down a little past my elbows and everybody seems to love it. but then i realize i'll regret it later and i'm just doin' it for attention or something.