here's a link explaining, rules and codes of Chivalry (code of knights), and courtly love. most of their ideals are what we as christians would belive in. the most surprising part is they were more civilized than we are now.

http://www.astro.umd.edu/~marshall/chivalry.html

I vote for chivalry! When I look at guys in our world today, the ones that stand out practice "chivalry" or are otherwise known as gentlemen. That's what I'm going after as far as marriage material is concerned. It's pretty much a requirement for me...If you think of it even in Christian terms: our Father is the King, therefore we girls are to be considered princesses, guys would be princes, or "knights" I suppose, and should be honored likewise, so the whole chivalry thing kind of ties in here. So guys, a surefire way to win some hearts is to treat her like a princess, and do know you would also deserve to be respected and loved as our "knight in shining armour"!

very true

I vote for chivalry! When I look at guys in our world today, the ones that stand out practice "chivalry" or are otherwise known as gentlemen. That's what I'm going after as far as marriage material is concerned. It's pretty much a requirement for me...If you think of it even in Christian terms: our Father is the King, therefore we girls are to be considered princesses, guys would be princes, or "knights" I suppose, and should be honored likewise, so the whole chivalry thing kind of ties in here. So guys, a surefire way to win some hearts is to treat her like a princess, and do know you would also deserve to be respected and loved as our "knight in shining armour"!



AMEN! Personally nothing is more attractice than chivalry! ^ Is totally right about girls being princesses and guys being princes or knights! well said wounds bleed true love, well said!

Chivalry would be a great thing for this society. Our (the US at least) society has so little honor that it is almost not expected, it seem like there is more honor amongst theives than there is in the US econemy.

Yea Verily. ;D I agree wholeheartedly with each of you.


Boys do not love until they reach the age of maturity.

I think that one needs to be posted on the wall of every high school in America. :)

I have guys open doors for me, let me go first...and some are just flat out nice to me. They aren't 'disrepectful' I guess you could say. Except for the annoying ones in the library... :o

Chivalry isn't COMPLETELY dead. Just like punk isn't COMPLETELY dead.

Most guys I know in highschool are more polite when they're older...some right now are in 9th/10th grade and half of them or the ones I know are polite. The others are just immature. >:(

It's a guy thing. :) Guys mature slower than girls. It's a pain to deal with, isn't it? :P

It's a guy thing. :) Guys mature slower than girls. It's a pain to deal with, isn't it? :P


depends on what u mean by mature

The rules sound pretty good. I do disagree with same of them. only probably one.

Chivalry's not dead... it's just waiting for the cou-de-gra (or however you spellit :P)

What a wonderful cite! It shows how low we, as a civilization, have placed our standards, and not just spiratually. savy o ;D

I’m chivalrous… my problem is that all the girls I meet are the independent type and want to do things on their own. And that drives me nuts! They won’t let me carry stuff for them, when I open the door they stand there and wait until I push them through, they say their cold but when I offer my sweater they don’t accept, etc…. The sweater thing is what really gets at me, I know their cold but they’d rather shiver than accept it! …I feel better now. :)

don't feel bad about the sweater thing some girls say they are cold but like being cold! like me i enjoy the cold so if I say I am cold it doesn't nessesarily mean i wish i wasn't cold!

I guess I'd just feel bad about taking a guy's sweater from him. :-p But if he insisted, I wouldn't not take it, esp if I was freezing. :)

i don't wanna speak fully for the ladies, but i always notice girls say they're cold when me and other guys aren't. i think i read somewhere that women are more sensitive to temp. and example is the supermarket dairy isle(where i work!). every day women come down wearing sweaters and saying they're freezing while me and most guys think it's feels pretty good.

^ i can vouch for that.

I, for one, prefer the cold because it gives reason for me to wear a sweater. I take much comfort from being nestled in a warm sweater. So when in doubt guys, offer the sweater because even if they enjoy being chilly, we will appreciate your kind consideration for our warmth. ;D

I’m chivalrous… my problem is that all the girls I meet are the independent type and want to do things on their own. And that drives me nuts! They won’t let me carry stuff for them, when I open the door they stand there and wait until I push them through, they say their cold but when I offer my sweater they don’t accept, etc…. The sweater thing is what really gets at me, I know their cold but they’d rather shiver than accept it! …I feel better now. :)

as a girl, that's somethign that i just don't understand... when a guy i know is chivalrous, i'll take him up on it... borrow teh sweatshirt, let him open the door,etc. i am SO not into the whole feminist "can do it without men" thing. i say, bring on the whole gentleman/chivalrous concept!!

i have a friend who has a different sort of problem (not that it's really a problem, but whatever). she's going to a Christian college & the culture there is that guys should be chivalrous. but, in some ways it's gone a little too far. like, if a girl is walking with a guy & so happens to get to the door before the guy...well, the guy tries to stop that from happening. they walk faster or do whatever else they can to open the door before the girl gets to it. it's as if the girls aren't allowed to respond to their chivalry by acting the same way towards them.

of course, this isn't all the guys, but from what my friend says, it happens often enough to get awkward. the guys don't like having doors opened for them by girls so when the do, it's weird. & the girls feel weird waiting for the guys to open the door, like they expect that they should. it's really a weird, unique situation. only at a private Christian college.

the whole thing of chivalry is kinda weird, because 1 guy can be chivalrous and it's fine and then a different guy can try to be chivalrous but it's weird. I'll give an example.

my friend who i have known for forever is a very polite chivalrous kinda guy he always opens the doors for girls and the whole thing and I don't mind when he does it because I know and trust him.

then there's the other guy who always tries to be chivalrous by getting the door and if i am carrying a lot of stuff he offers to help me but I don't let him because I don't trust him and it seems to me like he always has a different motive from the one he is trying to put forward. so would he be considered chivalrous?

Chivalry isn't about "getting points" with girl, rather acknowledging and fullfilling our responsibility to treat women as the weaker gender (note: I didn't say they were weaker, rather guys should treat girls as the delicate gender). I have a friend who has held doors open to get points with the girls, but still several of the girls in my youth group already know that he is a jerk in reality. I, on the other hand (and not tring to be boastful or proud), hold doors open for girls whom I don't know at all. so I guess in that ("Chivalry" for points) situation, it wouldn't count, mainly because it isn't selfless.

There's a girl in my YG that keeps nicking a guys clothing. One day she came in wearing one of his tshirts that he'd left at her house when he was staying over at her house
(hes friends with her bro, hes the same age as him)

He said to her "I have a tshirt just like that... HANG ON THAT IS MY TSHIRT!!!"
It was funny. They do stuff like that quite alot. Always a source of amusement. ;D;D

I am learning to be chivalrous again(had an ex who was one of those "go away, i can do it" types)
Really, it seems to me to be a dying art almost, which is sad.

I think it is good to discern the situation and act accordingly. I think girls still like it if a guy puts her first.

But I can't really say, I'll leave that up to the girls here. What say you?

i definetly agree with that! i know i can do things for myself... (pay for dinner, open doors, carry stuff, etc.) but i love it when a guy does that... :D

it makes my day when i'm heading to class or to the cafeteria, and some guy (99% of the time, i dont even know him!) stays by the door for an extra few seconds to hold it open for me...

two thumbs way way way up to all the guys who do that! :)

I am learning to be chivalrous again(had an ex who was one of those "go away, i can do it" types)
Really, it seems to me to be a dying art almost, which is sad.


my response to the "I can do it myself" feminists (though I haven't meet like this) is this:

It is not always true that girls are the weaker gender, but it is my responsibility to treat and respect you as IF you are the more delicate vessel :)

I've been told I am stuborn for not letting a guy help me carry my things when I had a ton of stuff. It's like if I can do it why not just let me? I mean it is very considerate of a guy to offer to help and I think they should offer but they shouldn't get all grumpy and get their egos hurt if we say "no thank you I can manage".

i kinda see both sides there.... there's times when i know that i need to do somethign on my own and so i dont' wnat the help, however, there's a LOT of other times when i feel like part of my job as a girl who wants to respect the guys i come in contact with is to honor their chivalry... espically with Christian guys that i know... i feel like part of my responsibility towards them as a sister in Christ is to allow them to treat me like their sister in Christ...

i thikn i'm starting to ramble & not make sense....

anyway... more of my .02 worth...

I’m chivalrous… my problem is that all the girls I meet are the independent type and want to do things on their own. And that drives me nuts! They won’t let me carry stuff for them, when I open the door they stand there and wait until I push them through, they say their cold but when I offer my sweater they don’t accept, etc…. The sweater thing is what really gets at me, I know their cold but they’d rather shiver than accept it! …I feel better now. :) (/quote/)

Give the girls a chance. Alot of us have been raised in a society which tells us in order to be worth something we must cast off all ties to Men *yes the evil *M* word* and be completely independent. We have been taught that we are only worth something if we have a successful career.....odd isn't it? It used to be you were only worth something if you were a mother.. So for me, I am confused. I'm trying to find a balance...but it is hard. I am the oldest of four girls, so I have been taught to work very hard and be very independent..i've had steady work since age 11..

As far as chivalry goes...please do so guys! There is NOTHING that melts me faster than if a guy is chivalrous *sp?* It absolutely shouts good manners, and helps to bring us back to a time when women were respected, and not objectified. I've found that the most chivalrous guys are homeschoolers :D And women? Allow them to treat you respectfully. No one said you had to defend your strength, in order for it to be a reality.

well said Sam. :)

im homeschooled and a agree with you sam ::)

i personally like it when someone holds the door open for me. it says that they've been trained properly, and they're generally gonna be pretty courteous and concious of other people. i absolutely despise it when someone's right in front of me and they let the door slam in my face. it's not like i can't do it myself, but it's annoying that they don't recognize that there are other people besides themselves in the world ::) so guys, even if a girl refuses you when you offer to help her carry something, or you hold the door open for her and she doesn't seem to notice it, chances are she does appreciate it.

thats so true alot of time when guys ask to help carry someting i refuse because i want them to know im not a helpless prinsess ,but it does impress a girl when she knows that you are concerened and mindfull of them :-* i think a big turn on is when a guy respects you and calls you mam when you ask them to do something even thought your not older than them,i just think thats adorable and not to many guys even call you by your name at all or even care what your name is, to most guys girls are just a (hey baby)and a phone number . im not going to go in to that again im sure alnost every one on here knows my opinion on guy/girl relationships,and if you dont click the search button and type venus/mars-guys/girl , and if that doesnt work its somewhere on mars hill. so what im tryin to say is i love guys who practice chivalry and im kind of glad most guys dont practice chivalry because you migh think there sweet and they turn out to be notthing but a polite jurk ::) .

Something my Pastor said today

"Nothing will get you as far in life, not education, or experience, or physical strength or anything else, as much as basic good manners."

Something my Pastor said today

"Nothing will get you as far in life, not education, or experience, or physical strength or anything else, as much as basic good manners."

SO true..it is amazing what teachers will let you get away with--how much more lienent they are about certain things...if you have good manners... The teachers will actually treat you as a peer, and not as a stupid teenager.

You've got to love a chivilrous guy! I've just spent my last 4 days at Planet Shakers (about 8 hours of moshing and more than that of preaching and worshiping- it was great!) My firned and I were there and I can't remmeber what happened but some guy decided to be chivalrous and my friend and I were like "good old chivalrous lad" :-* and he was like "wat?" so then we decided to give up and just say "thankyou" and walk on.

I, Relientkguy, from this moment forth pledge to be chivalrious in action, speech, and thought. I also pledge to uphold the ideals of chivalry in spite of an ungodly world and be bold in doing so.

Hey, I would like to see the guys out there take a similar pledge too. Do it for the ladies guys!

when guys are chivalrious i know it definately turns my head. if only there were more guys like you... lol

I, Relientkguy, from this moment forth pledge to be chivalrious in action, speech, and thought. I also pledge to uphold the ideals of chivalry in spite of an ungodly world and be bold in doing so.

Hey, I would like to see the guys out there take a similar pledge too. Do it for the ladies guys!
I knight thee, Sir RelientKGuy. I, The42ndEel hereby pledge to improve upon my chivalry and seek to honor girls to the best of my ability.

btw, I already do try, being a homeshcooler myself.

I’m chivalrous… my problem is that all the girls I meet are the independent type and want to do things on their own. And that drives me nuts! They won’t let me carry stuff for them, when I open the door they stand there and wait until I push them through, they say their cold but when I offer my sweater they don’t accept, etc…. The sweater thing is what really gets at me, I know their cold but they’d rather shiver than accept it! …I feel better now. :)


I don't know how old this thing is but oh well;sue me. Um for me I like it when guys just treat me as one of them;not a lady. that might be 'cause I'm a hard core tomboy but, yeah. If a guy opens a door for me I'll be like "hey! thanks!" but if they offer me a seat more than likely(unless my feet really hurt) I'll refuse. so It's also a pride issue for me when guys try to be nice. I want to show that I'm tough but I'm kinda mellowing down on the "I don't need help from a guy" thing. but I let my close guy friends do that even though they usually want to open a door for me and I just walk in before they can.

okay that made no sense.and no I'm not up really late writing this letter I'm in Germany on vacation and it's 10:16 in the morning.

btw, I already do try, being a homeshcooler myself.
Too many of us out there going unnoticed ::]

Yeah, but it's proven that we are smarter.

Really? I thought that public school kids were smarter... we must be a dying breed ;)

nope sry home schoolers! and that wa sproved after 3 yrs of home schooling I went back 2 publis school & got A's & B's more A's and only 1 C (in science, I hate science)
BarlowgIRL

Ok, just read the above post (if you can) compared to any post by a homeschooler here and my point is proven. Plus, my GPA is 3.75.

umm... i go to a private school and my gpa is 4.0. i think that homeschooled guys (with a few exceptions) are genrally nicer and more considerate than public or private schooled guys. (and cuter too)

Thanks... I think. And yes, most of the time homeschooled guys seem to be nicer, I think. At least I try. I do my best to be chivalrous in such a 'independent' world.

ya know, we actually do have a thread for homeschoolers (look here (http://www.panheads.org/boards/showthread.php?t=981&highlight=unite)). let's use this tread to talk more about chivarly and less about homeschooling. :) k? good.

that Code of Chivalry was interesting. and it does seem that we as a human race tend to think that we are more civilized than people were long ago just because we are more advanced. just because hte human race was less advanced 500 or so years ago, in no way, means that they were primitive.

I'd agree to with that point, I'd even say that we are starting to backslide as a culture. Things will get worse before they get better though.....

*bump on a log*

I like the idea of chivalry. The "code" is defidently things that I would look for in a husband. I guess I could say that its almost the same thing as gentlemen like things, to an extent.

Lol, I just wrote an article on chivalry for my school newspaper. What I found about guys who act like knights in shining armor, well, lets just say everyone enjoys shiny things. Chivarly is hard-core to do, and it's not something you can learn in one day, but it pays off big time later in life.

Chivarly is hard-core to do, and it's not something you can learn in one day, but it pays off big time later in life.
you are so right. :) it one of the hardest things, but it's really important.

Yay! Grave digging! THis one's sorta shallow, though, no worries! Some of you still remember it, but not everyone was here, so I'll repost the link

Where is it, where is it..... AHHere it is! (http://www.astro.umd.edu/~marshall/chivalry.html)

I like most of those codes.

I say we give the feminists what they want, I don't support chivalry. :)

I don't really agree with those. I think torture should be used on people who have information relevant to saving the lives of others, but won't give it up.

Personally, I would rather attack from behind and stay alive, then attack from front and say that I have honor. Maybe that's just me.

Stealth kills... OOOHHH YEAAAH. :P

I've played too much SOCOM... :P

Stealth kills... OOOHHH YEAAAH. :P

I've played too much SOCOM... :P

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Anyways, some parts of chivalry are still very relevant. (Respecting women etc.), but the combat part is a bit outdated.

hah... I was looking more at how your attitude is toward God, country, and women. Not so much war.

Oh, and don't lie! ;D

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Anyways, some parts of chivalry are still very relevant. (Respecting women etc.), but the combat part is a bit outdated.
OMG, HAX!!!!

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"It's a legitimate strategy!!" :P

OMG, HAX!!!!

OMGWTF (Oh my gosh, what the freak) :) U N00BZ0R

I love the way people talk in those games. It really demonstrates how they apply every ounce of their moral fiber to something as trivial as gaming.

I love the way people talk in those games. It really demonstrates how they apply every ounce of their moral fiber to something as trivial as gaming.
Precisely, makes you wonder what goes on in their minds while they cheat...

OMGWTF (Oh my gosh, what the freak) :) U N00BZ0R

I love the way people talk in those games. It really demonstrates how they apply every ounce of their moral fiber to something as trivial as gaming.And it is REALLY funny when you aren't hacking, and schooling them when THEY ARE.... ...but claim YOU are hacking....


Classic. Starcraft is awesome.

WAIT.


What does this have to do with Chivalry?

WAIT.


What does this have to do with Chivalry?

Just about as much as asking what it has to do with chivalry has to do with chivalry. If that makes sense. :)

Just about as much as asking what it has to do with chivalry has to do with chivalry. If that makes sense. :)Very good point.

So what's left to say about Chivalry then?

So what's left to say about Chivalry then?http://geocities.com/my_2cents_2004/your_2cents/DSoH_chivalry.html

Someone posted this on a forum, and I put it on my site because he is a character.

He annoys me a lot too. And while I am saying this, I warn you because he speaks his mind about stuph we can't/don't on Panheads.org/boards.

Actually, is says "avoid torture", not "don't torture" :)

hahah ... wow.

I wish guys were more respectful. To women, about God, and their country.

I've had guys say the rudest things to me, about how they'd "like to get inside my pants."
(sickos)

Even if you're an athiest, you needn't be disrespectful to anyone who is a believer.

And to your country, even though you sometimes hate the way things are, and people too, just try to be the minority.

(this is very short, I'll expound more later)

I wish guys were more respectful. To women, about God, and their country.

I've had guys say the rudest things to me, about how they'd "like to get inside my pants."
(sickos)

Even if you're an athiest, you needn't be disrespectful to anyone who is a believer.

And to your country, even though you sometimes hate the way things are, and people too, just try to be the minority.

(this is very short, I'll expound more later)

I've learned to live with guys saying nasty things like you mentioned. Sure, it's horribly rude, but I really don't think they will ever change. I really, really respect a guy who DOESN'T act that way, though. It's nice to see once in awhile.

I'm a grave digger.

The original site was:
http://www.astro.umd.edu/~marshall/chivalry.html

I just thought it might be a good time to discuss again.

I'lve always thought as a good way to live for heaven as your country. We do live to preserve it, although sometimes we do complain and forget the awsomeness of what we fight for, why if gets hard. If it wasn't hard, it wouldn't be a fight. This constantly keeps me going. Although I don't think chivalry really includes me :-X, it helps me think.

><sarah><

Being obedient in all things to the commands of ladies
Amen!

It is not proper to love any woman whom one would be ashamed to seek to marry.
I really like this one. I think it's very true. Dating (or "courting", whatever you prefer) without a purpose is just.....uh....purposeless. So many high school and college aged people date just for fun, without a thought for the future. I think dating without a purpose is very destructive.