Was there a pre adamic world and is there evidence to support it? What does the Bible say?

if by pre adamic you mean like an earth living before adam? then i'd have to strongly say there was none. because the bible says that what happened happened in the early parts of genesis, id have to say that that's what happened, desipte the long/short day arguments.

Yeah I don't believe in a world before Adam either, except for the few days when God was making the world and hadn't quite made Adam yet.

I believe that God truly isn't on our time. From the first part of creation, I believe there were intervals of millions of human years. It's kind of hard to explain. There is a lot of things the Bible doesn't tell us and I believe it's because they are things we don't need to know at this point. One being if we are the only life in this galaxy or if there are other planets in other solar systems with beings like ourselves following Christ. We don't know for sure and God has good reasons for not telling us things like that.

Back to subject, how can we explain Dinosaurs and Neandrotols (sp?) if the earth was not old?

CJ

^long day theory right there, but i so beileve that there were all those old beasts way lond time ago and that they existed in the time of the "begots" in genesis, and were all wiped out by the flood and i think that it really does not matter if you believe in the longd. or shortd. theory, as i stated before because the bible is truth and if you beileve that then there could not have been a preadamic exp.

I'm a bit confused but I think I see what your saying because we don't know exactly when Adam and Eve were on the earth. For all we know it could have been millions and millions of years ago. But I would be a bit puzzled about it because it also trashes the whole thing about humans learning. For instance, Adam and Eve had a homested. They were relitivally very smart. But when we look at human action through time, what of the stone aged people who made spears from rocks and had no certain language.

As I said, God didn't put certain things in the Bible for a purpose. Who knows what that strange, humorous purpose might be.

CJ

I heard that Jewish Schollars figure that the world (or at least Adam and Eve) is around 6000 years old.

But I would be a bit puzzled about it because it also trashes the whole thing about humans learning. For instance, Adam and Eve had a homested. They were relitivally very smart. But when we look at human action through time, what of the stone aged people who made spears from rocks and had no certain language.


we also dont know how long adam and eve were in the garden, and also, God most likely gave them a language (C.S. Lewis desctibes this very well in the space trillogy using the Old Solar language as the example) and we also dont know what kinds of scientific progressions took place after adam and eve were booted out of the garden and pre-flood. because of the lack of evedence prior to this period, and also because of the lack of recording accruately what happened, we have no way of knowing exactly how many years were spent post-curse and pre-flood. in this time slot, TONS of advancements could have taken place.

I now remember why I hate theology. It's like science; it's all made up of theroy. The fact is that we will never know these facts as long as we live. So I spend my time doing more valuable things, like working on relationships with God.

CJ

I posted on this idea of a day being longer than a day theory in the creation vs. evolution thread. The word used for day in the original language was a literal 24 hour day.

But I would be a bit puzzled about it because it also trashes the whole thing about humans learning. For instance, Adam and Eve had a homested. They were relitivally very smart. But when we look at human action through time, what of the stone aged people who made spears from rocks and had no certain language.


we also dont know how long adam and eve were in the garden, and also, God most likely gave them a language (C.S. Lewis desctibes this very well in the space trillogy using the Old Solar language as the example) and we also dont know what kinds of scientific progressions took place after adam and eve were booted out of the garden and pre-flood. because of the lack of evedence prior to this period, and also because of the lack of recording accruately what happened, we have no way of knowing exactly how many years were spent post-curse and pre-flood. in this time slot, TONS of advancements could have taken place.


You can always read the book of Enoch, which is quoted in the Bible. It talks about the beginning the giants and what happened after the fall.

I'm a bit confused but I think I see what your saying because we don't know exactly when Adam and Eve were on the earth. For all we know it could have been millions and millions of years ago. But I would be a bit puzzled about it because it also trashes the whole thing about humans learning. For instance, Adam and Eve had a homested. They were relitivally very smart. But when we look at human action through time, what of the stone aged people who made spears from rocks and had no certain language.

As I said, God didn't put certain things in the Bible for a purpose. Who knows what that strange, humorous purpose might be.

CJ


This is all going into Theistic Evolution and stuff.
The earth is NOT millions of years old! There is ZERO evidence to back that up. People always bring up Potassium Argon and Carbon dating. They have BOTH been proven to be totally inaccurate THEY DO NOT WORK! Yet ppl still keep going back to them as evidence for an old earth.

Sure we don't know how long Adam and Eve were in the garden of Eden but it does say how old they were when kids are born and when they died I think it does anyway.

The 'stone age' ppl could easily have been Noah and his family when they first got off the ark. They hadn't had time to mine ore and make bronze equipment yet so they would have had to use on hand materials - stones.

Neandarthals and cave men are made up. Fiction created by scientists to support evolution, nothing more.

Dinosaurs existed with humans. Since the word dinosaur wasn't created until the 18th century its not gonna be in the bible.
Tell me how many ancient dragon stories have you heard? There's quite a few out there. I'm betting alot of these 'dragons' were dinosaurs.

In Job God describes two animals, Behemoth and Kraken. Look at their descriptions and you'll easily see that they're dinosaurs. Some bibles say its a hippo or an elephant... Thats cack. Elephants and hippos do NOT have a tail as thick as a cedar tree.

In Job God describes two animals, Behemoth and Kraken. Look at their descriptions and you'll easily see that they're dinosaurs. Some bibles say its a hippo or an elephant... Thats cack. Elephants and hippos do NOT have a tail as thick as a cedar tree.


LOL.

I agree. Stone utensils aren't a sign of apes becoming human. NE human can make stones to look like knifes or whatever. If you are out in the field with no knife for a few months, what are you gonna do? - Yip, create your own tools. And that doesn't make you an ape. To dig up stone tools, is stupid and not a sign of human-apes.

You can't use carbon dating on stone, cause it's been there a long time, so dating stone utensils, reveales the age of the stone, not the tool.

C14 only works within a margin of a couple of thousand years... IF even. Go outside of that and you get some crazy values!

The Only way C14 and KAr are gonna be reliable is in a totally uncontaminated constant environment which we're never gonna get!
Soil from Mt St Helens last eruption dated millions of years old and its not that much older than some of us!

I'm not talking evolution. I'm saying it's all theroy each and every way around. You don't know for a FACT the Earth isn't millions of years old, the Bible doesn't say. You don't know for a FACT that Neandarthals didn't truly exist. There are different species of animals, whos to say there wern't different species of humans (who obviousely died out) over that period of time as well. Heck, we have at this current moment, about 100 different nationalities on this planet as is. You're "betting alot of these 'dragons' were dinosaurs", THEORY, not FACT.

My point is, I HATE theology. My big problem with it is that I believe it's one of the reasons the Church is as in bad a condition as it is. You get some of these Know-It-All pastors up at the pulpit and they start feeding their congragation their own thoughts on what they THINK is true. Suddenly you have the churches shifting in all different directions because they all believe different things... all because these morons decided to preach their own opinions as the truth when they have no proof to back them up. My whole thing is that if it doesn't state it in the Bible, it shouldn't be taught as truth in the church.

I think if Xians spent less time worrying about theology and more time worrying about healing the church spiritually and having a deep, passionate relationship with Christ, the church would be a heck of a lot better off than it is.

CJ

In a biblical timeline thru the study of geneologies and events theologans agree that the earth is between 7 to 10 thousand years old. There's no scientific proof of Neanderthals. Saying it is possible for different species of human beings to have lived and died out is an evolutionary idea. However the bible is written in a historical sequence from the beginning, and nowhere teaches pre-adam, evolution, or different species of man. Theology is important because it does help keep teachers (clergy) from going off on thier own ideas. But, let's let the bible (Gods word) be the last word and not mans ideas. If someone teaches differently than the bible well then they are false teachers.

I don't care if 2million people agree that the world is 100 years old or 10,000, if it's not in scripture, they can't be 100% sure. Therefore, it's theroy. That's all anything is based on that's not written. All science is based on theroy as well cause no one knows or has proof of anything.

Also, don't mix up my theroy with species of man and evolution. They are 2 completely opposite things. Think of it as types of dogs or types of cats or birds. They have found and put together remains of pre-historic human forms. Whether you accept it or not is irrelivant, it's a fact. Now what these people have in accordance with time and in a biblical sense, we will never know till we die. But there were there.

CJ

Like I said the bible doesn't teach, suggest, or give the slightest possibility of a hint of a pre-adamic theory. So, if we go to scripture then we must discount the theory due to lack of any biblical support.
Also if there were any fossil record of it, it would not be made up of 1 or 2 scientificially disproven items. But there would be multiple remains. Case in point the numerous fossilized dinosaur skelletons.
I'm not saying your theory isn't interesting. It just has no evidence to back it up and no biblical support.
You say"if it's not in scripture, they can't be 100% sure." I say "if it's not in scripture then I'll not believe it." So I guess we'll agree to disagree. Oh well, it was an interesting subject tho.

if it's not in scripture, they can't be 100% sure. Therefore, it's theory.

Ok then, the Trinities not mentioned in the Bible so Jesus' Godhood is theory... The Bible isn't mentioned in the Bible so its just a theory too then.
lol.
You see what I mean. The Bible doesn't have to specifically state a date and a time to know that the earth isn't millions of years old. If it is millions of years old what on earth did God do in all that time!? Sit and twiddle his thumbs!?


no one knows or has proof of anything.


Got proof of your existence? I think you do.


They have found and put together remains of pre-historic human forms.


pre-historic does not exist since the bible records "In the beginning". Either it is the beginning or it is not. If it is then pre-historic doesnt exist if it is not then the Bible is false and our faith is a lie.

The old earth theory exists to support evolution. Nothing more.

6000 years...hmmm....the Chinese have a recorded history longer than that...and that is just the recorded history, no prehistory, before Modern language...

Chinese recorded history began around 46 centuries ago, towards the end of the Neolithic period, when Huang Ti, a distinguished leader among the Han people, along with four later emperors, began the period known as the Age of the Five Rulers.
(My accent added)

Chinese recorded history has been around for only 4600 hundred years.

from the following site:
http://www.roc-taiwan.org.uk/taiwan/5-gp/zzz/history/paleolithic.htm

Each to their own on what they believe on theology. I'm done with this thread.

CJ