You know, I was really hoping that people would grow up by now, but I see that's not happining.

As I said in a previous thread, I am really tired of seeing these threads started where the whole purpose is to bash bands, movies, or people just because they don't carry the same beliefs as you do. A lot of people here happen to like secular music and are getting quite offended at the blantant ignorance of the messages in these threads. You know, it's wonderful that you have an opinion on it. It's great that you only listen to Xian music because it helps you. But other people here, people like myself, can handle listening to secular music, ect. and we like it. You don't see me walking into your O.C. Supertones threads going "OMGooses, they r a Xian band so they sux0rz". No, if I have a negative opinion about something of that sort, I usually don't post at all, or I will post something along the lines of "They aren't really my style, but they will be missed."

As a Xian, you should be more open to accept things and not outright flame them. Being a Xian is to do your best to act "Christlike", and yet, I fail to see that going on. Especially in our younger believers. And in the end, it's that kind of thing that will push people away instead of make them more open to listen. Reading these flame threads is doing that same thing to a lot of us here, and will eventually make us leave these forums out of resentment.

That's all I have to say for now...

CJ

I hear you CJ. It's getting a little out of hand. And yes, I am the king of under- and overstatements. If you ever have a buildup, just head over to the Rant thread...

Very well said, CJ. Unfortunately, I'm sure you are aware that very few people around here are going to appreciate a word of what you've said.

Because don't you know after all, that it's okay for them to say whatever they want! It doesn't matter how narrow-minded or inappropriate it may be.

Thank you, CJ. It had to be said... again.

Something that's very irritating is having your personal convictions blasted.

I must admit, I'm getting rather fed up of it myself. I'm not picking on this board in particular, cause this board's been pretty good in that respect. I'm talking just general Christian attitudes, they "sux0rz"...

Agreed...why do people want to make this kinds of threads?

I think it is ok to have personal convictions, skynes. And I think it is fine to have and express a negative opinion, as long as you express yourself clearly and appropriately. What I do not think is ok is when someone tries to force those convictions on someone else, or if they bash and berate and refuse to listen to someone with a differing opinion. It's fine to disagree- disagreement is the seed of discussion- but it is very important to have an open mind. I think CJ is right- as Christians, we're supposed to be the ones with the open minds. Cutting yourself off from the world won't change or help it in any way.

i think what he said is true and should be followed.

unfortunately i blast and flame bands without thinking (hint: SLIPKNOT THREAD!) i know i shouldnt do it but i do anyway for some reason. maybe i should pray about this....

This is getting more annoying then I thought it was. Some threads are feisty.

It's fine to disagree. As I said, I've posted a few myself where I didn't like a band or so fourth. But for the most part, I do it respectfully and not to bash someone elses personal religious convictions. For instance, I like Marilyn Manson. Some people can't handle listening to his music for whatever reason, and that's fine. But I can and I don't appriciate people shoving down my throat that I shouldn't listen to him cause "He's not a Xian" or "Because he bashes God". So like, I listen to his music but suddenly don't know that his words are pretty much anti-religion? Please.

Just like you, I don't like having things shoved down my throat because some people feel that something should or shouldn't be...

CJ

I posted on this in the Slipnot thread. I would however add this thought-it's wrong to flame no matter who is doing it or what it is about. discussion=healthy, flame=bad

and I do respectfully disagree with you on Marylin Manson. If his message is anti-christian then I don't think you should listen to it. Am I flaming you? No. am I judging you? No. Am I casting a stone? No. I'm just stating an opinion, in love. Cuz ya know I love ya brother. ;)

Similar thing here. My conviction (as I said in Slipknot thread) is to avoid a lot of secular metal.
But I get along fine with Christians whether their convictions are the same or not.

I can express my convictions without forcing them on anyone, forcing them on people being something I was guilty of in the past, and I've seen the rotten fruit it produces.

We/whoever could amend the rules to the boards and say 'no figting words'. But to be really rad..we/whoever would have to get 2/3 of the members on here to agree to this and 2/4 of mods to agree to it as well.

I can express my convictions without forcing them on anyone, forcing them on people being something I was guilty of in the past, and I've seen the rotten fruit it produces.

As brothers and sisters in Christ, we should be open-minded to righteous rebuke. If you don't accept this rebuke, how do you expect to fix it, for God? You can push it away, but that doesn't fix the problem, which means you leave yet another way open through which Satan causes you to sin. What better way to show love for our Christian brothers and sisters than correcting their sin?

For instance, I like Marilyn Manson. Some people can't handle listening to his music for whatever reason, and that's fine. But I can and I don't appriciate people shoving down my throat that I shouldn't listen to him cause "He's not a Xian" or "Because he bashes God". So like, I listen to his music but suddenly don't know that his words are pretty much anti-religion? Please.

Just like you, I don't like having things shoved down my throat because some people feel that something should or shouldn't be...

Phillipians 4:8 says: "Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable--if anything is excellent or praiseworthy--think about such things." I don't believe you'll be praising God listening to someone attack Him. Just because you think it's "not bad" doesn't make it O.K. Even the smallest slip of the tongue God is going to account for (Matthew 12:36-37). This might not seem like a big deal, but "men will have to give account on the day of judgement for every careless word they have spoken." ~Matthew 12:36

As brothers and sisters in Christ, we should be open-minded to righteous rebuke. If you don't accept this rebuke, how do you expect to fix it, for God? You can push it away, but that doesn't fix the problem, which means you leave yet another way open through which Satan causes you to sin. What better way to show love for our Christian brothers and sisters than correcting their sin?


What I was referring to was not correcting a sin, but forcing a personal conviction onto other people.

Correcting a sin is a Biblically correct thing to do. Forcing a personal conviction onto other people is Biblically wrong.

It's one thing to express an opinion. I am all for people and their opinions. It's when people don't stop there that irritates me to no end. It's when they express their opinions and then continue on for 10 more posts trying to justify themselves and their opinion that I dislike. Want a good example? Look at the Evanescence thread. There are a lot of people on this board who happen to like that band, including myself. And they post the most ignorant crap on there without even knowing any of the facts except for what other Xians have told them. There is a word for that, it's called Gossip, and it's a sin too. If you don't like them, you can just say so and not post in that thread anymore cause all you will end up doing is causing a huge argument. In fact, why not avoid that thread all together so people can talk in peace on it without having every 3rd post being an "I hate them" post. Again, see Evanescence thread...

Another thing is, people whine about me liking Manson and want to tell me their opinion on why I shouldn't listen to him. Like I haven't heard the same thing 45035892 times before by other Xians. If you don't like it, thats fine with me. But I don't need a speach as to why you don't think I should listen to it.

In the words of times long gone:
"If you don't have anything nice to say, then don't say anything at all."

CJ

Skynes - my misunderstanding. Sorry. :-\

TerraSin - If Phillipians 4:8 didn't exist, I wouldn't have said a word.

No probs loner. Consider it forgotten.