Yes I do because I think there spirt's of persons former body. Even the desciples thought Jesus was a ghost when they saw him resurrected.Also heard stories from people about ghost they have seen.

I don't.

There is no inbetween world when we die. It's either heaven or hell. People who think they see "ghosts" are usually only seeing what their mind lets them see when it plays tricks on them or when they have been smoking too much crack. With Jesus, it was a bit different. He came back to provide message and faith. And well, He's God... he can do that.

CJ

For thanksgiving a friend of mine saw a homeless guy sitting on the street so they picked him up and asked if they would like to join them for dinner. He said that would be great and he scarfed like all the food down. He told them he could play the piano really well so he went and played a few songs for them. By the end of the night they got pictures of him playing the piano and they got pictures of him with the fanily (i dont know why you would get a picture with a homeless man). but yeah once they developed the pictures he wasnt in there, just a pic of a piano, their were also about 5 witnesses so i doubt they could be lying.

I thought i would just share that because its pretty cool. Anyways about ghosts, I kinda believe in them. Its like Aliens, if you think about it, in the past 60 years, their have been so many sightings that I know not all of those people have lied. Im sure a lot of them have but not all of them.

"People who think they see "ghosts" are usually only seeing what their mind lets them see when it plays tricks on them." i was watching this thing on history channel on how the mind plays tricks on you. It was saying that a lot of the old people that claim they saw ghosts or aliens were lying to themselves but they don't know it because their memory gets so screwd up.

Interesting story there, Fire. My cousin said she saw some ghost also. She saw one in here room a couple of times.She said it scare her enough to give her life back to Jesus.Not to mention she use to play with quija board and yes it did communicate back to her and some other people.

I believe ghost are demons not dead humans that are trapped between dimensions.So I see it in a biblical perspective their the spirits from the bible. As for aliens yea I belive in them also. Theres been too many reports, too many people seeing the same thing not too believe. Are they all crazy? I dont think so.Maybe some but not all.And if its all a dream why is it the same scary ugly thing they see? why not rabbits are something cute?


well thats my take on this.

Interesting story there, Fire. My cousin said she saw some ghost also. She saw one in here room a couple of times.She said it scare her enough to give her life back to Jesus.Not to mention she use to play with quija board and yes it did communicate back to her and some other people.

I believe ghost are demons not dead humans that are trapped between dimensions.So I see it in a biblical perspective their the spirits from the bible. As for aliens yea I belive in them also. Theres been too many reports, too many people seeing the same thing not too believe. Are they all crazy? I dont think so.Maybe some but not all.And if its all a dream why is it the same scary ugly thing they see? why not rabbits are something cute?


well thats my take on this.I can understand your point. And maybe dogs and cats can sense Demons

No, I don't believe in ghosts.

I can understand your point. And maybe dogs and cats can sense Demons



I dont know. I seen a ghost story on tlc about this family beening opressed by a spirit(s). I forget the whole story but they said their dog was barking all crazy as if something was there and stuff but they saw nothing.Then he ended up running away they never saw him again after that. They figured thats what it was barking at.
Maybe dogs do have a sixth sense I have no idea, but anything is possible. Though I know some(very rare) can predict when seizures are going to occur in people which is a incredible ability.

i don't know necessarily if i do, but my uncle, who works for a (secular) radio stationhad to spen the night at some haunted restaurant. he says he felt some sort of creepy "presence". i know he wasn't lying but i think that most ghosts are figments of over-active imaginations. does belief in evil presences count as a belief in ghosts?

i don't know necessarily if i do, but my uncle, who works for a (secular) radio stationhad to spen the night at some haunted restaurant. he says he felt some sort of creepy "presence". i know he wasn't lying but i think that most ghosts are figments of over-active imaginations. does belief in evil presences count as a belief in ghosts?


yea, its pretty much the same thing.

I dont know. I seen a ghost story on tlc about this family beening opressed by a spirit(s). I forget the whole story but they said their dog was barking all crazy as if something was there and stuff but they saw nothing.Then he ended up running away they never saw him again after that. They figured thats what it was barking at.
Maybe dogs do have a sixth sense I have no idea, but anything is possible. Though I know some(very rare) can predict when seizures are going to occur in people which is a incredible ability.

Thats like the movie Signs but with aliens.

does belief in evil presences count as a belief in ghosts?
i would have to say "no." satan would be an evil presence in my book, but he's most definitely not a ghost.

Thats like the movie Signs but with aliens.



heh heh oh yea it is I barely notice that. :)

I don't.

There is no inbetween world when we die. It's either heaven or hell. People who think they see "ghosts" are usually only seeing what their mind lets them see when it plays tricks on them or when they have been smoking too much crack. With Jesus, it was a bit different. He came back to provide message and faith. And well, He's God... he can do that.

CJ

i agree w/ cj. i dont believe in ghosts. the thing is, ghost are just demonic appirations.

I dont believe in demonic appirations either. :P

CJ

i still dont completely understand this subject.. i usually just stick with the theory that says ghosts are just demons trying to mess with us.

there were a few verses that made me second guess tho - like the one about our spirits waiting to be taken up at jesus second coming. that would mean we are waiting here for him, right? in that case, it would not be weird to see the dead at random times (maybe little loopholes between the natural and supernatural?)
but why would God make us wait here? then i thought.. maybe its the dimension thing. where the earth/heaven/hell are all on the same plain coinciding with each other, yet not mixing..

so gosh. i dont have definite belief right now regarding ghosts.
oh well.

I dont believe in ghosts, but I do believe in demons. I know of many interesting stories of those who are close to me, and of those who are mere aquaintences who have had "demonic encounters" and yes, dare I say, even posession of demons. It exists today, no matter how hard society tries to deny it.

I also believe in hallucinations ;)

I belive in demons, of course lol. But i also belive in evil spirits/ ghosts one could say that are basically demons... never seen so I never know

I also believe in hallucinations ;)
Agreed...

CJ

Don't know. Someone told me they saw one once of a relative in a garden. She said she was real close to her and felt her presence.

Satan is the Father of Lies, I'm sure either he or one of his demons could fake the appearance of someone no longer living.

Satan is the Father of Lies, I'm sure either he or one of his demons could fake the appearance of someone no longer living.
I like the hallucinations idea better. ;)

CJ

But either way whether by supernatural (tho it may seem real) or hallucination it would be caused by demonic forces. I think either are possibilities.

the only immortal spirits i believe would walk the earth are demons and angels to protect us from the demons. i just rather like the idea of sitting in the same room as an angel. a demon... well, not really. but still...

For thanksgiving a friend of mine saw a homeless guy sitting on the street so they picked him up and asked if they would like to join them for dinner. He said that would be great and he scarfed like all the food down. He told them he could play the piano really well so he went and played a few songs for them. By the end of the night they got pictures of him playing the piano and they got pictures of him with the fanily (i dont know why you would get a picture with a homeless man). but yeah once they developed the pictures he wasnt in there, just a pic of a piano, their were also about 5 witnesses so i doubt they could be lying.

sounds like an angel testing the family, maybe?

Interesting quote going along with the whole hallucination idea...

"A collective hallucination is a sensory hallucination induced by the power of suggestion to a group of people. It generally occurs in heightened emotional situations, especially among the religiously devoted. The expectancy and hope of bearing witness to a miracle, combined with long hours of staring at an object or place, makes certain religious persons susceptible to seeing such things as weeping statues, moving icons and holy portraits, or the Virgin Mary in the clouds."

So we are all on the same page, hallucinating constitutes as "false perception characterized by a distortion of real sensory stimuli." (Encyclopedia) Common types of hallucinations: auditory, (hearing voices) or visual (seeing people/things that do not exist, or are not present

Also:

"When auditory hallucinations are examined, the most common are hearing one's own thoughts as if they were being spoken aloud, followed by hearing one's name being called by a voice when alone." I think this is important to note when trying to decipher if something is truly demonic or if it is neurotic. This also brings up the point as to whether or not people "hear God's audible voice." To me, this has always been a bit iffy. I cannot stand when church women say that God speaks to them every morning, and tells them to tell certain people that they are like decaying peach trees. How they insult them in God's name, etc. Ive seen it happen many a time. What's even scarier is that they think it is God telling them these things. In all actuality, (most, not all) think these twisted ideas up after getting a warm fuzzy feeling in their gut. THey base their ENTIRE relationship with God on this feeling. Scary. This is why I fear the church.

Back to hallucinations:

"People may experience hallucinations as part of their normal developmental stages, especially during the preschool years, in the 2-5 year old range. Common causes of hallucinations in people without a psychiatric diagnosis are exhaustion, sleep deprivation, social isolation and rejection, severe reactive depression, amputation of a limb (phantom limb syndrome), a reaction to medication, a reaction to hallucinogens such as LSD, a reaction to other drugs such as heroin and cocaine.

Physical (organic) causes of hallucinations include delirium, tumors leading to increased intercranial pressure, temporal lobe lesions, seizures, head injuries, and irritation of sensory pathways."

Thoughts?

very well written, thanks for the info. I very much concur.

To elaborate on what was said about hallucinations within the church, this is one thing that truly bothers me quite a bit and one of the reasons I left the church I was working for back in 2002. I can't agree more with what you said about the church women "hearing from God". What I've found is that mainly when this happens, it's usually someone who wants to feel special about themselves or have other people think that person is special cause she "heard from God". I find this selfish and insulting in many different ways. Not only that but it does nothing to help the church. In most cases, it only hurts the church...

CJ

I agree that there are prophets and prophetesses that hurt the church. This happened in the Bible. Nehemiah 6:14 talks about Noadiah the prophetess trying to frighten Nehemiah.

Revelation 2:20, where God is talking to the church at Thyatira, He says, "But I have this against you that you tolerate the woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess, and she teaches and leads My bond-servants astray..."

I think this may be what is happening in some churches today, there are people there, men and women, who have accepted the spirit of Jezebel, and are being tolorated by the church. This has torn churches apart, and hurt many people. At the same time, their are people annointed and chosen to expose this in the church. Terrasin, perhaps you have this annointing.


Having said that, if we believe the Word to be true, then we should be careful about making broad generalizations about women hearing from God. I will assume we all believe the Word to be true, and that a prophet must hear from God in order to be a prophet. Now, there are more examples in scripture of good prophetesses than bad. Just like there are examples of bad prophets and good prophets. (Forgive the simplicity here.)

Exodus 15:20 "Miriam the prophetess... " (Now, I know Miriam did commit sin later on, after doing alot of good, but prophets and prophetesses are still human and not perfect)

Jude 4:4 "Deborah, the prophetess..."

2 Kings 22:14 and 2 Chronicles 34:22 both tell the story of Huldah the prophetess. King Josiah asked the priest to inquire of the words in a book that had been lost but now was found. The priest went to Huldah the prophetess, and she told them what God was saying.

Luke 2:36 "And there was a prophetess, Anna..."

I realize this is off topic...I just felt these scriptures should be looked at. I am so sorry that you have been hurt by this CJ, but don't let Satan destroy what God wants to do through you with this. I'd be interested in your thoughts on this Xina and CJ.

lamb_servant72, i agree with you.
I have found more protection in church than else. However, our elders truly have hearts that wants to do what God is showing. And yip, ive seen them make mistakes.

There is so much protection and safety if church is done God's way. We are the church - never forget that, else satan already has destroted and stolen a great gift from God. He's even gotten us to the place where we are against the expression of Jesus Christ' body in a locality.

There is a lot of protection in the body of Jesus Christ. It's a safe place to be.

[ He's even gotten us to the place where we are against the expression of Jesus Christ' body in a locality.


Can you expound on that? I think I know what you meant, I just want to be sure.

The church "universal" consists of all believers of all time.
God has placed certain authorities in local areas to express this church universal in an individual way. - This would be the believers in a certain area, meeting together for a specific purpose - To express Jesus Christ (the head). (And in terms that I do not use - It would be said you are "going to church" - (but actually we are the church))

This may seem technical, but the expression of the body of Christ is basically the church meeting together and expressing in their togetherness the thoughts, heart and intent of Jesus Christ.

The church is also the body of Christ (col 1:18, 24). Jesus uses the church to express His thoughts. Just like the head is in control of a body and the body does what it says, so the church is in relation to Jesus

So when I say that I am opposed to church, I am actually saying that I am opposed to the expression of the body of Jesus Christ. (By the way I am not. LOL before I'm quoted :> )

Is all "churches" the expression of Jesus Christ - No. But their is some.

I think this may be what is happening in some churches today, there are people there, men and women, who have accepted the spirit of Jezebel, and are being tolorated by the church. This has torn churches apart, and hurt many people. At the same time, their are people annointed and chosen to expose this in the church. Terrasin, perhaps you have this annointing.
You cannot be serious? Spirit of jezebel? :\

Uhm... the only "annointing" I have when it comes to this is something most christians lack... it's called Common Sense. What I got sick of is how christians, for the most part, are nothing but the biggest arrogant hypocrites on the planet. I've sat through church sessions of people pointing fingers at everyone they could when they are no better themselves behind closed doors. The church has become more corrupt than the rest of the world in the aspect that the world has nothing to hide and don't pretend that they are better than everybody else. At least everybody else is being honest rather than trying to hide behind a book. I could go on and on with this rant, but I will stop here. Wouldn't want to offend anyone, now would I?

CJ

I agree that there are prophets and prophetesses that hurt the church.

I wasn't speaking of prophets or prophetesses. (Although you did have an impressive list) I was speaking of those who are delusional and think God speaks to them every morning; that God tells them to tell others what losers they are. I test what they have said, and it does not meet up with scripture.


Id encourage all of you to test everything you have heard with CONTEXTUAL scripture. Don't twist it to mean what you want it to. (This has even been done in this very thread) Anyone read the Purpose Driven Life and looked up the scripture references the author uses? Heh. I'd encourage you to. The biggest problems in the church can be observed in that book. How he justifies so many wrong things. How we have to work so hard ourselves to get anywhere, and how it takes such a loooong time to do so. ::] Yes, let's forget about God's astounding glory and power, shall we? Without that we'd have to do things Rick Warren's way.

Having said that, if we believe the Word to be true, then we should be careful about making broad generalizations about women hearing from God.

Heh. You made one as well.

Why should we be careful if it is true? Why try to be politically correct? I believe the Word to be true. The bible made some generalizations as well. Think back to the pharisees.

There is so much protection and safety if church is done God's way.
You will note that there is not much safety in the church (as a whole) today. I firmly believe it is because of what you stated. Things are not being done God's way.

This may seem technical, but the expression of the body of Christ is basically the church meeting together and expressing in their togetherness the thoughts, heart and intent of Jesus Christ.

Wow. Is that out of the Purpose Driven Life book? For being so technical, do you have a verse that states what you stated?

Jesus uses the church to express His thoughts.

Again, I'd like a verse about Jesus Christ expressing his thoughts through his servants.

1Co 1:10 Now I plead with you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.

1Co 2:16 For "who has known the mind of the LORD that he may instruct Him?" But we have the mind of Christ.

1Ti 3:15 but if I am delayed, I write so that you may know how you ought to conduct yourself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.

2Co 5:20 Now then, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were pleading through us: we implore you on Christ's behalf, be reconciled to God.
-------Ambassadors represent and act out the thoughts and intent and decisions from where they are sent.


1Co 12:27 Now you are the body of Christ, and members individually.

**1 Cor 12 - speaks of the analogy between Christ and the church as a body**

1Co 1:10 Now I plead with you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.

Generalization is not the equivalent of division. I also agreed with you on how in a church free of sin there should be no division. Why the verse?

1Co 2:16 For "who has known the mind of the LORD that he may instruct Him?" But we have the mind of Christ.

I understand what you are saying. But perhaps you could elaborate for the sake of everyone reading that. That says to me, "we have the mind of God, we cant understand it, but we have it." Uh huh. Right. That verse does not reference that Jesus expresses thoughts through his minions.

1Ti 3:15 but if I am delayed, I write so that you may know how you ought to conduct yourself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.

Random? What are you proving here? Expressions of Xians expressing in their togetherness the thoughts, heart and intent of Jesus Christ? Heh.

I am familiar with the Body of Christ chapter. Quite familiar. I was just hoping you'd have something to directly back up what you said. Unless there is nothing to back up your musings on "expression". Since that's what Christianity is all about. Expression.

Uhm... the only "annointing" I have when it comes to this is something most christians lack... it's called Common Sense. What I got sick of is how christians, for the most part, are nothing but the biggest arrogant hypocrites on the planet. I've sat through church sessions of people pointing fingers at everyone they could when they are no better themselves behind closed doors. The church has become more corrupt than the rest of the world in the aspect that the world has nothing to hide and don't pretend that they are better than everybody else. At least everybody else is being honest rather than trying to hide behind a book. I could go on and on with this rant, but I will stop here. Wouldn't want to offend anyone, now would I?

CJ

i get your frustration and you got my sympathy, cj, but wouldnt what you just said above be considered as pointing a finger?
i mean, you are the church! i am the church! its not about whether we go into a building labeled "the church" its who we believe in that changes everything.

for the sake of Christ's body, i pray that you'd heal from the wounds you've suffered from your brothers and sisters, cj. its not worth living in resentment, when we all could function so much better if we would just accept and love each other. we dont have time to wait for the other person to shape up - or even for our doctrines to match up point to point.

*I* am not part of your church, dear relentlessone. I am not part of Christianity. I renounced my ties to this religion years ago now for my own reasons of which you have no idea about. So don't act as if you know what I've been through when it comes to the church, k?thx. And as far as my finger pointing, all I started was obvious truth. The same things that keep people from getting involved in the first place. Can't say I blame them. Never forget that God is not just limited to your religion. Christianity is MANS religion. Not Gods.

CJ

I do not know what your religion is, CJ. My point on post #27 was that women do hear from God. Even if you only believe, say, the Old Testament, there is enough scripture reference to support that statement. I apologize if I said anything that offended you.

He is saying that he isn't part of religion in general. As far as I am concerned, he hasnt pointed fingers either. It's sad that Chistians can't even discuss problems without getting thrown off course. I feel the church is much too concerned with legalism. Ick.

it is kinda sad that Christians (tho i wouldn't limit it to Christians; i think it's a human tendency) tend to get distracted and "thrown off course." and it seems we've done just that.

i know this discussion is totally awesome and i enjoyed reading both sides, but it's not exactly about ghosts. it'd probably be best to move it to the new thread on the church (http://www.panheads.org/boards/showthread.php?p=172186#post172186) and keep this one on track. kthanx. (to borrow CJ's line).

sounds like an angel testing the family, maybe?

Those were my thoughts exactly.

As far as ghosts, it's been pretty well covered already, but the way I see it people don't hang around earth after they die to haunt people in houses etc, they either go to heaven or hell. There are, though, angels and demons, and since angels don't use deception, I see ghosts as perpetrations of demons, to confuse humans and give an excuse not to believe in God, sort of like aliens. "Ghosts" could also be imagined, hallucinated, madness, etc, etc, etc, oh, and also steam coming from under the bathroom door ;)

And that's the way I see it.

What about 1 Kings 22:22,23 and 2 Chronicles 18:21,22 where God had a spirit be a deceiving spirit? I was thinking that was an angel, but I could be wrong.

Ugh!!! I'm off topic again...Sorry!

What about 1 Kings 22:22,23 and 2 Chronicles 18:21,22 where God had a spirit be a deceiving spirit? I was thinking that was an angel, but I could be wrong.

Hmmm, I'll study these chapters and get back to you tomorrow.

Thanks. I always thought this was interesting. I'd like to get your thoughts on it.

Sorry Lisa, I didn't find the time, I'll get to it soon, though.

It seems to me that the "spirit" in these scriptures is Satan, and God's letting him lie in the prophets' mouths because it'll work out in the end for God's work. Does that make sense?

Did you read the whole chapter?

Yeah, it seems to me that the spirit is the father of lies talking to God about the situation, and that God's pretty much saying "go ahead."

i'm confused... what does this have to do with ghosts?

Nothing, really. I was just answering Lamb's questions about those two scriptures in reference to my post about ghosts where I said that I didn't think that God would use deceit.

Yeah...that Lamb. She's ALWAYS getting off topic. She must be ADD.

ghost

Yeah, we should kick her off these boards ;)

Let's see, Casper's a ghost, everyone knows he doensn't exist.

Oh, NO!!! I've been doing so well...and I've learned your lesson about long posts...please give me one more chance!

I wonder why Ghost is spelled the way it is. Hmmmm...it's a host of G(od)? :D

Yeah, we should kick her off these boards ;)

Let's see, Casper's a ghost, everyone knows he doensn't exist.
he doesn't?!? *gasp* :o j/k

Oh, NO!!! I've been doing so well...and I've learned your lesson about long posts...please give me one more chance!


Sigh, if I have to, alright. But just ONE more, after that, you're out >:( ;)

*ahem* what's the topic?

You're right, thanks. Let's get back to topic, shall we?

I'm bored

CJ

BOO!

To get the thread back to where it's supposed to be, I'll repost some of my thoughts.

Ghosts do not exist as they are portrayed: people passed on. These "ghosts" can be a number of things:

1) Demons passing as ghosts in order to confuse people about where people go where they die, to provide people with an excuse not to believe in God.
2) Hallucinations. That's pretty self-explanatory, but I think Garth posted some good stuff on that earlier
3) Mental illness
4) steam from a kettle or shower ;)

^totally :)

I like the hallucinations idea better. ;)

CJ

But, I think she was really close to her...it was a relative of some sorts. But I agree with you sort of.

i believe that there are ghosts..but they like aren't spirits or anything..they are just demons trying to fool people...what a bunch of dorks

amen to that.

what a bunch of dorks
i'm not sure who you were calling dorks. but regardless, this is not an example of Christ's love. even if they do act like dorks, don't call them dorks, or twits, or jerkfaces... on panheads, we don't allow name-calling, even of people who will never read your remarks. it's disrespectful and wrong.

when i was in third grade (true story) me and my older bro shared a room and we divided it with the bunk bed, and welll one day i "SAW" my older older brother, Daniel, and he was buuilding a gun out of legos that were all black or see thru lime green legos, and (cuz i was even more annoying back then) i went and screamed through out the house "JOn! daniel's in YOUR ROOM! and well, trhen this was creepy, he comes out of his OWN room and says no i am not, and then i run back and then i see the gun still and well, i m creeped out just a tad.

My brother teased me when I was <5 years old. Get this, he said that Bob Vila took all the ghosts in our house (a duplex) and put them in the attic when he built our house. Mind you, the attic's entrance was in my room. And Bob didn't build out house.

EVIL BROTHER!!!

And on a different, more serious note...
I don't think ghosts -- as in dead humans -- exist. I believe that Spirits exist, such as angels and demons. That would be the only ones that could be ghosts, in my book.

^my thoughts exactly. humans are mortal and only get a little while on earth.

^my thoughts exactly. humans are mortal and only get a little while on earth.

But what if they can come back to hang out once in a while? Like they cross over into "heaven" or whatever you want to call it, and once in a while they can come back just to say see ppl they knew while they were alive and make sure they're ok. Like not hanging around a lot, but little visits even tho they cant really talk to us.

No it doesn't work that way i think there's a verse in the bible saying sumthing about it but i'm not sure what it was but when i find it i'll get back to u.

I am a christian and a future pastor and there definatly is a spirit world with demons and angels and a holy ghost so to speak so these type of supernatural experiences are uncommon but real possible. Certainly there are people who lie about them but i hear stories like this all the time.

Interesting story there, Fire. My cousin said she saw some ghost also. She saw one in here room a couple of times.She said it scare her enough to give her life back to Jesus.Not to mention she use to play with quija board and yes it did communicate back to her and some other people.

I believe ghost are demons not dead humans that are trapped between dimensions.So I see it in a biblical perspective their the spirits from the bible. As for aliens yea I belive in them also. Theres been too many reports, too many people seeing the same thing not too believe. Are they all crazy? I dont think so.Maybe some but not all.And if its all a dream why is it the same scary ugly thing they see? why not rabbits are something cute?


well thats my take on this.
Preciscly.
I have some things to say about aliens too, but ghosts I believe are demons.

And if ghosts are supposedly the trapped dead, then why do people claim to have been scared when they see them?
God has not given us a spirit of fear, and if you're afraid of something irrational, then you know it's not from Him.
Demons are scary, plain and simple.

i do belive in demons but...the only spirt i belive in is the holy spirt

And if ghosts are supposedly the trapped dead, then why do people claim to have been scared when they see them?


Not everyone who sees a ghost is scared tho, its just more interesting to ppl to hear about the scary things so those get publicised more. Also, people are afraid of what they dont understand, if you saw something and didnt know what it was you would be scared too, no matter what it was because you would be afraid that it might turn into something harmful. If that made any sense...my point is that many times people arent scared, or they're only scared because they dont quite know WHAT they're seeing. What about the people who are filled with a sense of peace or wonder? or just have no emotion about it at all?

Satan and his demons, can masquerade as an angel of light.That can explain why some aren't fearful when they encounter ghost because they think what they see isn't evil but infact good.Satan is the father of all lies he lives to decieve.

^ amen to that.

Yes I do because I think there spirt's of persons former body. Even the desciples thought Jesus was a ghost when they saw him resurrected.Also heard stories from people about ghost they have seen.

just so everyone reading knows where this came from it was the first post.

when jesus was described as a ghost i think it was in a different sense. you cant use this as a fact as to how ghists exhist. dont be fooled, ghosts were fabricated from stories and what not, jesus bacame a ghost because he is holy and served a perpose for god, and etc and on and on. there is no evidence from the bible that ghosts exist other then that. after scratching out that what are you left with. the worlds view on ghosts. like i said it's a fantasy made up for stories and entertainment, putting the bible aside.

Very well said.

just so everyone reading knows where this came from it was the first post.

when jesus was described as a ghost i think it was in a different sense. you cant use this as a fact as to how ghists exhist. dont be fooled, ghosts were fabricated from stories and what not, jesus bacame a ghost because he is holy and served a perpose for god, and etc and on and on. there is no evidence from the bible that ghosts exist other then that. after scratching out that what are you left with. the worlds view on ghosts. like i said it's a fantasy made up for stories and entertainment, putting the bible aside.

I don't even think it goes as far as that. I think they were just shocked and horrified at the thought of someone walking on the waves, looking like a man, coming at them. It sounds just like a ghost story sailors would tell each other. They were superstitious, that is not a bearing for Jesus *becoming* a ghost. They just thought 'only a ghost could do that! ahh!!' ... especially because the only other person they saw walking on the waves was dead last time they checked.

yea i agree. i think that ghosts are nothing but demonic appirations.

Yes I do because I think there spirt's of persons former body. Even the desciples thought Jesus was a ghost when they saw him resurrected.Also heard stories from people about ghost they have seen.


i don't believe in ghost i do believe in evil spirits (fallen angels, demons) for they come in many form you may not believe me what i'm going to say but its all true...

when i lived in my on house i was playing drums wheni was destruber ith this grows feeling i look over my sholder to see this big grayish thing you can see thourgh it but not much it had a shape like a humand but more squarded God reveled to me awhile later when skillets re made cd collide came out.. with open wouns the song came on god told me to close my eyes that he had something to show me so i did!! and when i did it came to the past of the song " where the enamie lays watching all are dreams turn to static" well i saw this demon thing sitting on the couch watch the tv with a picture of my parnet old and wiht the god sitting inbetween them fading in the scren i then realized this spirit was to tare my family apart... i knew cuz this was the image my dad had in his head dying old with my mom.. (and you know what there something to do about that spirit. if you want i'l tell you the rest of that later cuz it'll be to long..)

ok when i was litle we had this stir case i was scawerd of cuz ther was a spirit 9funny thing the same one thats buged me my hole life) butit would breath on my neck and scawe me so badly.. so i would run up and down thous stair i never told any one cuz i though my family would think i was werid but one day my mom said that she could feel it so i convess and said i could then the church came over walked around are house prayed for it never felt that spirit again...

there are many other times i've incountered an evil spirit but theres no such thing as ghost ....
my opion any ways

I have no idea what you just said, it was too hard to follow with all the misspellings...

srry i can't re-type the whol thing but any ways i've inchountered may of what people call ghost there not ghost the fallen angles (demons) they come in many space size's and forms...

Can you at least make an attempt to spell correctly?

Anyways, yeah ghosts are demons/angels (the good ones ;))

Can you at least make an attempt to spell correctly?

Anyways, yeah ghosts are demons/angels (the good ones ;))


fallen angels are demon's!!!

What makes you think I don't think that?

srry just the way you said it up there it was like you didn't understand what i meant srry about that, srry

It's all good...what I meant was "Demons and Angels (not fallen angels) are what we commonly believe to be spirits of former humans"

when i read invisible alien's story and knowing the topic of this thread, it makes me wonder. does anyone believe in omens?

myself, i never really thought about it. i'm not sure what the deal is with that.

when i read invisible alien's story and knowing the topic of this thread, it makes me wonder. does anyone believe in omens?

myself, i never really thought about it. i'm not sure what the deal is with that.

Hey, don't mean to be a party pooper, but could you make a new thread about that?

lol well i dont think it's important enough for a thread but i just thought i would mention it because it;s related to this thread

I believe in ghosts. That's all I have to say.

I dont belive in ghosts. I just got done reading a book called forbidden doors, and it says that demons can portray themselfs as ghosts, and it also says in the Bible...
"This evil man will come to do the work of Satan with countrtfeit power and signs and miracles.
He will use every kind of wicked deception to fool those who are on their way to destruction because they refuse to belive the truth that would save them" 2 thessalonians 2:9-10
So basicly Satan can have demons portray themselfs as ghosts to lead you donw the wrong path.

Belle

"I believe in ghosts, thats all I have to say"





Yeah...like as in "former human" ghosts or demons/angels?

I believe in Ghosts but I know not what they are. I've seen 'em, with my own two eyes. And before I was born both my parents had some very interesting (and extremely scary) experiences with ghosts. Forntunatly mine were entirely tame (and thus, a lot less interesting).

Wait I just thought of something. What if through your whole life you had not heard one story on ghosts or had not seen One tv show/movie about ghosts (So basically you didn't even know what a ghost was). Then one day you go into this house and happen to see a "ghost" with your own eyes. Would you be scared?

i think a person who nothing of ghosts would be scared simply because they know it is something out of the ordinary and unusual. i think any person would be scared.

It'd depend on your faith in God, imo.

i think it would depend not so much on your faith in God, but on how you percieve the ghost. that is, the supernatural things we see with our eyes, we don't always know how to interpret, so our brain has us makes sense of the situation as best it can (government conspiracy, swamp gas...). your faith in God might give you courage and peace, but courage has nothing to do with lack of fear.

if u mean ghosts as in people who have died then definately not,because that would mean there is no heavan or hell because that it would mean dead people were walking on the earth.. i do believe that some people can see "ghosts" even of loved ones but that it's not the dead person but a demon or w/e pretending to be a dead person to show people that there is no heavan or hell so that maybe they wouldn't believe in Jesus either... if that makes any sense to u guys

I dont belive in ghosts. I just got done reading a book called forbidden doors, and it says that demons can portray themselfs as ghosts, and it also says in the Bible...
"This evil man will come to do the work of Satan with countrtfeit power and signs and miracles.
He will use every kind of wicked deception to fool those who are on their way to destruction because they refuse to belive the truth that would save them" 2 thessalonians 2:9-10
So basicly Satan can have demons portray themselfs as ghosts to lead you donw the wrong path.

Belle
sorry to post like twice in a row but what belle said up there was basically what i was trying to say basically

i belive in Ghost.

i belive in Ghost.

You believe in one ghost?

I believe
In six days and a rest
God is good
I do confess
I believe
In Adam and Eve
In a tree in a garden
In a snake and a thief

CHORUS
I believe
I believe
I believe in the word of God
I believe
I believe
Because He made me believe

I believe Noah
Built an ark of wood
120 years
No one understood
I believe
Elijah never died
Called fire from heaven
On a mountain side

CHORUS

It's been passed down through ages of time
Written by men
Ispired by the Lord
His Word will remain to the end

I believe Isaiah
Was a prophet of old
The Lamb was slain
Just as he fortold
I believe Jesus
Was a world made man
And He died for my sins
And He rose again

CHORUS

Err... sorry... :\

CJ

You believe in one ghost?

lol. Maybe he just seen one ghost. Casper on the cartoon network. :)

You believe in one ghost?
i belive in more than one ghost

Praise God the Father, Son... and HOLY GHOST!!!!!!!!! ;)

CJ, i wouldn't imagine you a man you listens to Rich Mullins. :)

I don't. lol (Though I did like that version of As The Deer he did)

It just popped into my head when I was reading this thread for some odd reason. I heard it at some youth conference years and years and years ago when a band called Watermark (not the one currently making cds) was playing it.

But then again, people would probably be amazed at some of what I listen to. On the rare occasion, I can be caught listening to things like He'll Speak Peace by Hillary Weeks or Kiss Kiss by Holly Valance. Just depends on my mood at the time.


And no, I don't believe in ghosts. ;)

CJ

I do not believe in ghosts. All of my friends claim that they are real and that they have encounters with them, but here's my definition of a "ghost".

If you believe in ghosts, and you feed yourself with books, shows, conversations, etc, etc, you're opening the door for Satan to come into your life and to create the things that you have seen/heard/watched/talked about, in your dreams and in real life. Also, it does depend on where your relationship with God is. If you have a solid, firm foundation, your house isn't going to fall during a storm. It's the same with your relationship with God. If you are solidly built in your relationship with Him, then when Satan tries to attack with the subjects of ghosts, you'll be able to fight back with the Word, and he cannot harm you.

However, I do believe in evil or good spirits being in your home, or where ever, especially if the house has a "history" of there being spirits in the house, or if the former occupants(or local)were messing with seances, ouji(sp?) boards, cards, etc. etc.

Those are my thoughts.

Does anyone else besides me watch those ghosts shows on Friday nights on the History Channel?? I love to make fun of them. :P

I usually avoid watching things for the purpose of mocking them. ::] Believe it or not, that can also leave you open for temptation, of a different kind.

I used to believe avidly in ghosts. I had an odd experience once that "ghosts" seemed to fit the explanation for.

I dont belive in ghosts. I just got done reading a book called forbidden doors, and it says that demons can portray themselfs as ghosts, and it also says in the Bible...
"This evil man will come to do the work of Satan with countrtfeit power and signs and miracles.
He will use every kind of wicked deception to fool those who are on their way to destruction because they refuse to belive the truth that would save them" 2 thessalonians 2:9-10
So basicly Satan can have demons portray themselfs as ghosts to lead you donw the wrong path.

Belle


this was what i was trying to say......srry that i suck at spelling it just no tmy thing...

I usually avoid watching things for the purpose of mocking them. ::] Believe it or not, that can also leave you open for temptation, of a different kind.

I used to believe avidly in ghosts. I had an odd experience once that "ghosts" seemed to fit the explanation for.
Okay, let me rephrase that. Wat I meant be that is that like, they're walking through the house/castle/watever they're in, and all of a sudden, one of the doors slam shut and becomes locked, and they're all like "The spirits don't want us in there, why is that??", and then they look at the phcyic(sp?) guy, who gives some wierd translation, and I'm sitting there laughing, going, "one of the camera crew stayed behind the group, and went into that room, and slammed the door and locked it. And when they all continued on after freaking out, he came back out.

That's wat I meant by making fun.

Ok! I couldn't resist. SORRY! lol


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3385579284690408654

Ok! I couldn't resist. SORRY! lol


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3385579284690408654
Haha, classic. I am at work, too!

Haha, classic. I am at work, too!

lol! Whoopsie :-X

im actually not really sure if ghosts are real or not....like...the human mind can think whatever it wants. so if you think you've encountered a ghost, then anyone will believe you and you'll believe yourself...if ghosts ARE real, then i believe that they are demons

I believe Ghosts are real. Not the Ghosts of movies, TV, and video games, mind you, but I believe there are Ghosts.

I believe that Ghosts can be either Demons coming from Hell, but I also think that people can...return...as Ghosts. I don't mean ANYTHING about an "in between" world, because there is none, but I think that people in Heaven could maybe come back to Earth very temporarily. Well not "come back" per se, but sort of send a transmission of themselves from Heaven.

that then begs the question, why? why would someone in Heaven come back (or send a trasmission) to Earth?

Well I mean, not to try to interfere with others lives, but maybe to just check out what all is going on. Maybe thats whats happening when you get that "being watched" feeling.

i think if i'm in Heaven, in the presence of the Almighty Creator i will have very few (if any) thoughts on what my friends and family are doing on earth. i'm certainly not going to care what Brad Pitt or Tom Cruise are up to. :P

i think if i'm in Heaven, in the presence of the Almighty Creator i will have very few (if any) thoughts on what my friends and family are doing on earth. i'm certainly not going to care what Brad Pitt or Tom Cruise are up to. :P

This is true. HOWEVER, heh, and here's the kicker, we have Biblical precendent of those who have died "returning" for one reason or another. Albeit, through God's direct direction ;) (redundant maybe, but you get the idea). Off the top of my head, there's Samuel speaking to Saul in, like. 2 Samuel or something, and there's Elijah, Abraham, & Moses or whoever it all was appearing with Christ on the mount (Gospel of John?). Also, there is certain theology that says the "Angel" Mary spoke to outside of Christ's tomb wasn't an Angel, but Adam. That may seem ridiculously random/weird to you, but there really is some Jewish tradition and prophecy behind this assumption as well as the dubious translations most of our current day English Bibles are based off of, *shrugs*.

In any case, the point is, the Bible records events where God sent the spirit or body or something, anyways, of those who had died back to the physical realm temporarily for some purpose or another. It's not like we don't accept people comin back to life who have died. We have plent of precendent of that from Christ and those filled with Holy Spirit. Though, I admit, that's somewhat of a different situation compared to "Ghosts." ;)

Don't let this post fool you, I believe "Ghosts" are simply Demonic spirits as much as the next guy, heh. I just had to point this fact out...

true, but the only true ghost in all of that was the ghost of Samuel, and Saul got in trouble for conjuring him.