I forsee a day when Rock/all good music is off the top 40 albums list. When bands with no talent like Green Day, and Gorillaz are what's best.

Wait, that day's already here.

Clicky (http://www.bbc.co.uk/totp/top40/albums_part1.shtml)

Sadpanda :(

Styles change, and so do tastes. While this is indeed quite a travesty, I do not think I am going to spend the night crying over it.

Dude, there is rock on that list. And not all of those artists are that dreadful. So stop being all dramatic about it.

Led Zepplin isn't together anymore. They probably never will be. Please get over it.

While Greenday and Gorillaz arent exactly my thing, I wouldn't exactly call them talentless. Also, thats the UK top 40. Most of us are US. Our top 40 would be diff

try here

http://www.billboard.com/bb/charts/bb200.jsp#loop

Nickelback, disturbed, Bon Jovi, lots of rock

Think about the top 40 list 20-30 years ago, people were still complaining and saying 'ahh i wish bands like the beatles were on here'

nothing good has really ever existed in the mainstream...but it totally depends on your style of music. music i like has not and never will be on any top 40 list, with a few exceptions here and there. besides, i don't really care about the top 40. i love the music i listen to, and that's it.

i totally agree with everything you just sayed cinnamonxspider. rock on spider dude or dudet!!!!!!! ;D

Led Zepplin isn't together anymore. They probably never will be. Please get over it.

It really makes me laugh that you stereotype me into only listening to Led Zeppelin. I guess since you callously disregarded everything I've posted in several threads, especially the one where I listed other bands I like, and that included about 50 others that I like a lot doesn't really matter huh?

Also, the reference to Jimi Hendrix in my sig must not mean a thing since all I care about is listening to Led Zeppelin?

To tell you the truth, I don't want Zeppelin to reform. The drummer's dead, so it wouldn't be the same. They played a concert at Live Aid in 1985 5 years after the drummer died, and it was nowhere near as good.

I didn't know he was dead, I just thought he lost an arm.. Oh wait thats Def Leppard my bad.

It really makes me laugh that you stereotype me into only listening to Led Zeppelin. I guess since you callously disregarded everything I've posted in several threads, especially the one where I listed other bands I like, and that included about 50 others that I like a lot doesn't really matter huh?

Also, the reference to Jimi Hendrix in my sig must not mean a thing since all I care about is listening to Led Zeppelin?

To tell you the truth, I don't want Zeppelin to reform. The drummer's dead, so it wouldn't be the same. They played a concert at Live Aid in 1985 5 years after the drummer died, and it was nowhere near as good.


i don't think she was really specifically saying that in reference to Led Zeppelin...i think she's saying that in reference to pretty much all the bands you listen to, on account that many of them (that i've seen) are bands that either are all dead, aren't together anymore, or are together but really are too old and they shouldn't be together.

I forsee a day when Rock/all good music is off the top 40 albums list. When bands with no talent like Green Day, and Gorillaz are what's best.

Wait, that day's already here.

Clicky (http://www.bbc.co.uk/totp/top40/albums_part1.shtml)

Sadpanda :(
hmm there are talented bands out there today you just need to learn that its not the 70's 80's its 2005.

Greg, you make me want to shove pencils in my eyes.

No kidding.

Well, the billboard doesn't have much say on the rest of the known universe, it doesn't really effect us at all.
It's like if the hometeam doesn't win...life goes on.

And Rachel, you're extremely negative, ever notice that? Remarks like that don't help. They start arguements, and tantrums. If anything, its off topic.

I like some mainstream bands. afterall, alot of good bands now will probably eventually make their way mainstream.

Yes Michael, I know. Thank you for that wonderful insight into my personality.

That is all. Carry on.

Well seriously , I didn't rag you on your unnatural love for Britney Spears. Just cause he likes Led Zep alot...

or.. option number 3: we stop the personal remarks that arent neccessary...




on to the topic... I think eveyrone has different oppinions on what music is in this day and age. Music changes all the time, and then comes back around again. Some bands sell out *cough the offpsring *cough* other bands stay the same. Some people tihnk that when music changes, music dies, other people like ti better, and others again just go with the flow. It really depends on a persons taste in music..
Personally, if country music and opera music died and got wiped off the face of the earth the world would be a bettr place ;)

quite honestly music just changes in general, back in the 50's rock was like the beach boys and stuff... and thats now even rocky anymore!

or.. option number 3: we stop the personal remarks that arent neccessary...

i really like option #3 as well. :)

i agree grunge=fun.

Yeah sorry my case is rested.

Yes Michael, I know. Thank you for that wonderful insight into my personality.

That is all. Carry on.

for the record, rachel, your comments are what keep me coming back to this forum. if it weren't for people like you, this forum would be so unbelievably mundane and stupid.

for the record, rachel, your comments are what keep me coming back to this forum. if it weren't for people like you, this forum would be so unbelievably mundane and stupid.


all i have to say is amen

Haha, thanks you guys. It's nice to know not everyone takes everything I say completley seriously . Also nice to know not everyone is so tight and unable to relax. ;)

Okay, you can get back to your topic at hand now.

All I have to say is that anything that is on the top 40 is usually going to be music that sucks, and you know what? I'm okay with that because I don't listen to the radio. If people like bad music, let them, as long as they don't force me to listen to it, why should I care?

Well said, Bob. Therefore, what is the point of making a fuss over it all?

I agree with Greg for the most part. Most of today's "bands" aren't as talented as they were. Almost everything's being ripped off from somewhere else. And these basslines? Ha, quite a joke. Greenday? All they're concerned with is making money and bashing Bush...

But, like bob, i don't listen to the "mainstream" radio anymore. The mainstream is completely the opposite of what I am, the biggest part being Godless. Though they also stand for crappy so-called "music" (bom, bom bom, bom bom bom bom, bom bom, bom, bom bom, bom bom bom bom, bom bom. What kinda bassline is that man? and guitar players play, well, like they don't like music at all. The drummers sound pathetic, come on people, WAKE UP!!! )

Ah well, I'll just listen to my good ol' never failing cd's.

The drummers sound pathetic, come on people, WAKE UP!!! )



that's because the "popular" music uses drum machines, which is really a dull way to make "music" but hey, to each their own.

I agree with Greg for the most part. Most of today's "bands" aren't as talented as they were. Almost everything's being ripped off from somewhere else. And these basslines? Ha, quite a joke. Greenday? All they're concerned with is making money and bashing Bush...

But, like bob, i don't listen to the "mainstream" radio anymore. The mainstream is completely the opposite of what I am, the biggest part being Godless. Though they also stand for crappy so-called "music" (bom, bom bom, bom bom bom bom, bom bom, bom, bom bom, bom bom bom bom, bom bom. What kinda bassline is that man? and guitar players play, well, like they don't like music at all. The drummers sound pathetic, come on people, WAKE UP!!! )

Ah well, I'll just listen to my good ol' never failing cd's.

Though I don't agree with Greenday's political side, I still listen to their music not for the lyrics just because they are still very skilled and talanted at guitar. If you have ever seen them play live on tv its amazing.

Well, lets take Audioslave. They are pretty mainstream rock. And they don't seem to be Godless to me. Also, while the music I listen to most is not mainstream, hearing a little Green Day , Britney Spears, or Black Eyed Peas never killed me. Will Smith , on the other hand..

Though I don't agree with Greenday's political side, I still listen to their music not for the lyrics just because they are still very skilled and talanted at guitar. If you have ever seen them play live on tv its amazing.

If you're into Punk, have you ever heard the Clash?

Yeah I like their songs "London Calling" and "Rock The Casbah".

Yeah I like their songs "London Calling" and "Rock The Casbah".

Yeah, the Clash is what Punk should be, not Green Day. :(

well Greg, there are some of us that don't like punk . . . so yeah, like I said earlier, people can make whatever music they want, as long as they don't try to force it on me . . . :afro:

*shoves mainstream music into bob's hands* "i don't want it, you take it ;) "

Greenday- ha, they're the topicish thing right now in the thread "the end of music" how fitting... ha, sorry ppl, just messin' around a bit.

GD is pretty successful at making their music appealing to people. Personally, I don't think it sounds too musically talented, though i admit there is some in there, it's just - i think of their music (and many other bands, just using GD as an example) as sweet poison. Reminds me of chaper 6-8ish in proverbs is talking about a prostitute and saying how her lips are like honey etc, but she really kills in the end, that what GD and some other bands remind me of.

They still carry an earthly message, and if something catchy gets stuck in your head, that's what you think about. I do listen to secular music, but not the stuff bad for me. I really dig NIN, but don't listen to 'em 'cause our values conflict too much... but i still listen to song like "cocaine" and "hotel california" ?? What's up with that? HA, I'm a feeble human being, and with very feeble communication skills tonight, sorry guys :-\

Everyone is titled to their own opinion, but nobody has the right not to be offended.

but i still listen to song like "cocaine" and "hotel california" ?? What's up with that? HA, I'm a feeble human being, and with very feeble communication skills tonight, sorry guys

Hotel California is an Eagles song. :)

well Greg, there are some of us that don't like punk . . . so yeah, like I said earlier, people can make whatever music they want, as long as they don't try to force it on me . .

And where did I say everyone needs to like Punk?

I never said that you said that. But I was just saying that you said The Clash was what punk was all about, and I was merely stating that I don't like punk music and that one could view punk as "The End of Music"

Well most Punk isn't too great...

I read about its origins, it came up in England in the mid 70's around the time Led Zeppelin was dying, and tensions were building in Pink Floyd. Jimi Hendrix, and Jim Morrison had died 5-6 years earlier, and the Stones were getting weak. Essentially, the legendary rock bands were on the outs, and this new punk scene came up in London, and spread like wildfire, then metal came in the 80's.

Yeah, the Clash is what Punk should be, not Green Day. :(

ah green day was punk with a kick of grunge back than befor Amercain Idiot.

Well most Punk isn't too great...
Punk music isn't meant to be great. Or even good, for that matter. Not real punk music, that is. Punk is all about ideals and playing because you can and want to and sharing the energy with your friends and letting yourself go. It's about speaking your mind and being as trashy as you want. It's not about sounding good or looking cool. Real punk music is all about who we are, where we are and what's going on.

Now that, is something I can totally agree with Rachel on.

I listen to secular and non-secular music, old and new music. I try not to get tripped up (haha) over music because it is too recent or too old or too weird because if my ears like it, my brain is likely to agree with it. What I'm saying is if all you listen to is new music on the Top 40, ok great. If all you listen to is 60's-80's music, ok great. If you like Norma Jean/Dead Poetic/etc. etc. good for you. This is the whole point of having musical tastes, they aren't supposed to be the same as everyone else. Listen to whatever the heck you want to.

Now that, is something I can totally agree with Rachel on.
I'm not a complete moronic jerk. :)

Well, lets take Audioslave. They are pretty mainstream rock. And they don't seem to be Godless to me.
then maybe you should listen closer. ;)

sure, there are bits of religion in there, but overall, there isn't too much of God poking through (which is a big difference).

don't take me wrong, i really like Audioslave. i have both their CDs. but, like alorian and NIN, their values conflict with mine own.

and i agree with Skelfy that "if you like your type of music and i like mine, there's nothing wrong with either of us." tho i will add this: if you only like punk, or rock, or '80s, or bands that have the word "the" in their name... then you are missing out on the wider world out there. an ecclectic taste never hurt anyone. (just ask Rachel and her like of Britney. ;))

(just ask Rachel and her like of Britney. ;))
Yeah. Just ask Rachel. I think it's healthy to like horrible pop music at least a little bit. It rounds a person out.

I'm just staying true to my roots.

Punk music isn't meant to be great. Or even good, for that matter. Not real punk music, that is. Punk is all about ideals and playing because you can and want to and sharing the energy with your friends and letting yourself go. It's about speaking your mind and being as trashy as you want. It's not about sounding good or looking cool. Real punk music is all about who we are, where we are and what's going on.

rachel, you're so freaking brilliant man.

rachel, you're so freaking brilliant man.
You're real good on a girl's ego, Daisy. Thank you.

Hotel California is an Eagles song. :)


I know, I know my music...

Wait, you thought I thought HC was a NIN song, didn't you? Nah, I know my stuff better than that ;) 8)

I know, I know my music...

Wait, you thought I thought HC was a NIN song, didn't you? Nah, I know my stuff better than that ;) 8)

lol

Communication Breakdown!

I'm not a complete moronic jerk. :)


Hehe I never said you were

I am ;) no, just most of the time ;)

Since when did talent become more important than the music itself? Honestly I'd rather see a band play a good set than a guitarist give a 15-to an hour guitar solo showing every scale he knows. There's honestly a lot of bands I like that I feel go unrecognized because they don't have a "guitar shredder" in their band or a "crazed" drummer. All it's about anymore is status and I think it sucks when it gets in the way of the music.

-J

It's kinda like the prep talk the band director give right before band festival...lol.

When I opened this thread my first response was it's the end of good music. I'm scared for the next generation, they will probably never really have a listen to The Rolling Stones or any thing worthy of calling good music. Expect the indie scene which is sorta growing.

That's the way I took it :)

Yeah, personally, I just hope rap goes away within the decade... I don't really classify that with music, though, because if someone IS playing an instrument, it's VERY dull and WAY too simple. I've tried playing bass to some of 'em, and it made me wanna go to sleep... It's more of an oration to a beat to me than music...

As far as talent in rockish stuff, I'm refering to people who can play well. Alot of the stuff today sounds the same, which shows lack of originality and talent. I think that's ONE thing I was trying to get at with the talent thing...

Since when did talent become more important than the music itself? Honestly I'd rather see a band play a good set than a guitarist give a 15-to an hour guitar solo showing every scale he knows. There's honestly a lot of bands I like that I feel go unrecognized because they don't have a "guitar shredder" in their band or a "crazed" drummer. All it's about anymore is status and I think it sucks when it gets in the way of the music.

-J

There are some of us, especially us guitarists, who actually LIKE solo's and look forward to them. I really love hearing them. But that doesn't stop me from liking bands like Breaking Benjamin and Underoath who dont have them.

Actually, thinking on that, breaking benjamin has a few..

I LOOVVE solos. Drum, bass, guitar, it's good

Yeah, and who's better at soloing than..

ME!!! ;) depends on the instrument, but I've got a feeling you're talking about jimmy himself, am i right?

i think there will always be bands trying to copy the classics of the 60's and 70's. or their parents can raise 'em on the classics themselves (ie. the beatles, etc.)

My parents are young (relatively) and music is in my family, therefore I looooooovvee classic rock stuff more than the normal 17-year-old...

To elaborate on the talent thing: the more talented a musician is, the more they'll put into their music, more heart and more soul, and will make it sound much better.

Make sense?

ME!!! ;) depends on the instrument, but I've got a feeling you're talking about jimmy himself, am i right?

Whoa! You read my mind!

My parents are young (relatively) and music is in my family, therefore I looooooovvee classic rock stuff more than the normal 17-year-old...

To elaborate on the talent thing: the more talented a musician is, the more they'll put into their music, more heart and more soul, and will make it sound much better.

Make sense?

I listen to a ridiculous amount of "classic rock"

That > All