lamb_servant72
11-06-2005, 04:04 AM
I'm not sure if this should go here or in general. I had this thought pop into my head ("Is this not the Christmas I desire...") after reading something Tracy wrote. Forgive me if this is offensive to anyone.

What if Isaiah 58 were talking about Christmas instead of fasting? (Which I know it is not, but if this is what God wants from a fast, it could be what He wants from Christmas.)

v6 Is this not the (Christmas) which I choose,
To loosen the bonds of wickedness,
To undo the bands of the yoke,
And to let the oppressed go free,
And break every yoke?

v7 Is it not to divide your bread with the hungry,
And bring the homeless poor into the house;
When you see the naked to cover him;
And not to hide yourself from your own flesh?

v9...If you remove the yoke from your midst,
The pointing of the finger, and speaking wickedness,

v10 And if you give yourself to the hungry,
And satisfy the desire of the afflicted,
Then your light will rise in darkness,
And your gloom will become like midday.

Any thoughts?
What are some things we can do to make this our Christmas?

skilltroks
11-06-2005, 08:57 AM
I think the passage has nothing to do with fasting. It has to do with sharing your food with the people that need. Anyway, I think we should make our selves aware of the things around us. And do something about the poor, uglyness.

terrasin
11-07-2005, 07:14 AM
Santa isn't real?!?!?!? :(

Hehe, I love Christmas.

CJ

deadb4dawn
11-07-2005, 07:03 PM
-lol- its ok i didnt know that either. but i gotz a problum too. my mom is christain and my pops was jewish and he died this september. <we usily have a christams tree but do the hanika exchange of gifes. but my mam said that this year were just going to do it her way. that really makes me mad, cause there was 4 kids (brother=jew, oldest sis=jew, dad=jew/ sis=christ, me=christ, mom=christ) but now that my brother and dad are gone my sister sara is just like pushed a side and now i want to help ger to stay the same but mam wount let us. should i just do what mam saya or rebeal against it?

NightCrawler
11-07-2005, 10:35 PM
lamb_servant72, that doesn't have to do with fasting or Christmas (like skilltroks said). The only reason it could be offensive to me, is if it is used out of context.


That division in the family is sad, deadb4dawn. Pray about it.

lamb_servant72
11-18-2005, 06:47 AM
There is a place here called The Refuge. It is for abused spouses and their children. I have been wanting to see what all they offer, I know they offer shelter and legal help. I would like to do something to help this Christmas.

There is also a place called God's Storehouse. They offer shelter to homeless, food, clothes, interview and resume prep, etc. I want to do something there, too.

frymeskillet
11-18-2005, 09:18 AM
I've always wanted to do a soup kitchen thing for christmas, but have never gotten the chance. i love helping people, and i think we all should have something other to do with Christmas than just buying people presents. after all it's not the reason for the season. many people tend to forget that, and im determined not to. :)

Isildur9473
11-18-2005, 09:29 AM
Does Christmas relaly have a point anymore? It's degenerated into a commercial wasteland.

skilletosis
11-18-2005, 07:00 PM
dawn, as a Christain with no Jewish heritage I see no reason that someone who is Jewish and a Christain cannot observe Haunaka (spelling?). In fact Christianity's roots are Jewish so I think it is fitting to do both. Maybe you should tell your mom that you are in no way choosing Judiasm over Christianity. In fact you could suggest that the gifts be only Haunaka ones and that Christmas will be all about Jesus.

On the note of commercialism this year I will not buy one gift from Wal-Mart since they have decided they will not use Merry Christmas in thier holiday promotions. They want to get us to buy Christmas presents but wont acknowledge Christmas. They wont get once red cent from me this year. Oh I know not all gifts bought are for Christmas, but I would venture a quess at 90% are.

theelectric3
11-18-2005, 11:37 PM
wal-mart is the only one. target, kohls and costco aren't either.

riz
11-19-2005, 01:12 AM
I agree with Skilletosis regarding the Hanukkah vs. Christmas problem. To give another example: I have attended seders in the past during Passover time, but that does not mean that I am not a Christian any more because I sometimes attend them. It is definitely a great experience and I'm glad I've gone to the seders.

bob
11-19-2005, 04:23 AM
Does Christmas relaly have a point anymore? It's degenerated into a commercial wasteland.

I agree Greg. It's really stupid how commercialized it is. There were stores with Christmas items out in October, it's so stupid.

Mr. Xcitement
11-19-2005, 07:57 AM
That verse doesn't have to do with Christmas. Christmas has degenerated so badly, we're supposed to remember our Lord and Savior, but instead people surround themselves with material things, and it's just sad. As for Walmart, I decided I wouldn't shop there again when it started coming out how horrible the company is. I forget what order these things happened, but they went through hiring illegal imigrants, paying women less, they force most the companies that they sell items from to move to other countries so they can build things cheaper, not saying all do, but some most likely use sweat shops and child labor, and I don't want to be supporting that.

skelfy
11-19-2005, 08:01 AM
uh Wal-Mart sucks anyway so...haha.

Don't get me wrong, I love the christmas atmosphere, food, the cold weather and lights...heck I enjoy seeing people open their own presents instead of my own. I think it's ok, but when it turns into this huge monsterous 'BUY BUY BUY' holiday, well, it's not ok.

PinkGoo
11-19-2005, 08:02 AM
My thoughts EXACTLY...

Isildur9473
11-19-2005, 10:16 AM
uh Wal-Mart sucks anyway so...haha.

Don't get me wrong, I love the christmas atmosphere, food, the cold weather and lights...heck I enjoy seeing people open their own presents instead of my own. I think it's ok, but when it turns into this huge monsterous 'BUY BUY BUY' holiday, well, it's not ok.

Why does Wal-Mart suck? They have lower prices than anywhere else...

riz
11-19-2005, 10:24 AM
Christmas has degenerated so badly, we're supposed to remember our Lord and Savior, but instead people surround themselves with material things, and it's just sad.

I seriously don't want to dredge up my rebuttal to this statement. Let's just say it has ALWAYS been a secular holiday. The church - a long, long time ago - decided to use December 25th as the celebration for Christ's birth because of the paganistic Solstice festival that happened around that time of year.

Blah blah broken record, check out the ol' Christmas thread(s) in this forum from last year.

lamb_servant72
11-20-2005, 08:06 AM
I was hoping this thread would generate ideas for all of us on what we could do as individuals to change what Christmas has become. (Thanks Savannah, for your input.) I thought we had already established all of the rants concerning Christmas, that wasn't the point of this thread. Although, I didn't realize that about Wal-Mart, Cosco, and Target, so I'm glad that was brought out.

Do any of you have any non-general suggestions to what we can do to help others instead of focusing on the commercialism?

terrasin
11-20-2005, 08:29 AM
I don't see why people go postal over Christmas. It's not the day of Jesus' birth. In fact, it started as some pagan holiday that Christians eventually took over because they were scared of other religions.

CJ

Maddog
11-20-2005, 08:33 AM
uh Wal-Mart sucks anyway so...haha.

Don't get me wrong, I love the christmas atmosphere, food, the cold weather and lights...heck I enjoy seeing people open their own presents instead of my own. I think it's ok, but when it turns into this huge monsterous 'BUY BUY BUY' holiday, well, it's not ok.

Yah me too. I love the Christams lights, the cookies, the goodies in the stockings, i love buying things for people and hearing them squeal with excitement (personally i would rather open my presents in solitude, i dont like everyone watching) i love snowmen. I love Christmas time. And well yah the whole..."get me this and this and this and oh this too for Christmas" is annoing, my sister hannah does it. Oh and i also love Christams music

unshakeable15
11-22-2005, 11:44 PM
something i started doing last year that i plan to continue is, instead of making a New Year's resolution that i'll most likely break, i'll give God a present.

that is, i'll plan, decide and execute something in the name of my Lord. whether it's helping out a homeless shelter, giving up my weekends to help my grandpa, giving up something i've held too closely...

it's really doing stuff i should be doing anyway, but it helps keep me from being too focused on the consumerism of Christmas.

Maddog
11-23-2005, 08:20 AM
good idea...I might do that

lamb_servant72
11-23-2005, 02:02 PM
That's a great suggestion, Mike. I think that ties into Isaiah 58. You are fasting something dear to you (time) to help others. Cool!

Here's another suggestion that I wouldn't have thought of if I wasn't working where I am. If you have alot of books you no longer need, you could donate them to the prison system. I know my library desperately needs new books and we don't get enough funding to order books.

kittygirl
11-23-2005, 04:50 PM
I don't see why people go postal over Christmas. It's not the day of Jesus' birth. In fact, it started as some pagan holiday that Christians eventually took over because they were scared of other religions.

CJ
It's been researched, and the date they think was Jesus' actual birthday is September 29th. Which, ironicly is also my little sister's birthday.

The point of the whole thread is not to say where Christmas started out, or to go postal over a company.

The point is that people celebrate Jesus' birth on December 25th. And it should matter the actual facts, because nobody really knows what day he was really born on.(But if you do, let me know sometime...)

The ways we can make Christmas, and every day here on brigher is what matters. Because that's all God really asks of us.

theelectric3
11-23-2005, 06:08 PM
something i started doing last year that i plan to continue is, instead of making a New Year's resolution that i'll most likely break, i'll give God a present.

that is, i'll plan, decide and execute something in the name of my Lord. whether it's helping out a homeless shelter, giving up my weekends to help my grandpa, giving up something i've held too closely...

it's really doing stuff i should be doing anyway, but it helps keep me from being too focused on the consumerism of Christmas.

that's a very cool idea. giving. to others and to our Lord. i like that. :)

Mr. Xcitement
11-23-2005, 06:38 PM
I agree, giving to others is a very good thing, and that'd be much better to do than a stupid thing like "I'm gonna lose weight". Also, to do with walmart, I won't shop there, because I cannot bring myself to support a company that has done numerous illegal activities (hiring illegal imigrants for one), and they're haressesment activities by paying women less than men. Also here in MA, Walmart was going to try and be open on Thanksgiving, although we have a law that it is illegal for a large company like walmart must be closed, only small businesses can be open.