Hi, I am a member here on the boards. I have been given the gift of prophecy. I need to share with you. I have chosen to appear as someone else because I have found this gift to be manipulated and questioned.


Woe:

And the devil will kill from the leadership down
He will consume the Church through the pator, for we are reaching the end.

The evil shepard will lose his flock <for they have become smarter than their leader>
Discernment and wisdom will be given to the good shepard of God.
The devil will fall at his power gifted to him by God.

The devil has come.
He is in our home daily.
No longer traps or demons, the devil himself.

We have a choice.

Be slaves to the devil.
Or send him wailing into the night.

Do not fear Brothers
We will be injured
Death will only come if we embrace it
We are the Noble and Powerful warriors
earn the title


I know many of you have been struggling more than usual. it's becaue the devil is here, not demons or traps. the devil himself, it's time to fight.

I wud believe that. Things for me have been A LOT harder than normal. It wudn't surprise me in the slightest if Satan himself was coming at me.

Not blowin my own horn or nething but it feels kinda like one final desparate attack to stop from reaching something, If I get it I'd be dangerous.

I know many of you have been struggling more than usual. it's becaue the devil is here, not demons or traps. the devil himself, it's time to fight.


The devil, can't be everywhere, the devil himself is an entity that is bound to a geographical area, he is not omnipresent. He's an angel just like all God's other angels and has no mystic power above other angels (He has more abilities). He can't be personally with every person all the time. Only God is with ppl all the time.

Discernment and wisdom will be given to the good shepard of God.
The devil will fall at his power gifted to him by God.

The devil is already fallen, and he has fallen because of the Son of God's blood and the word of our testimonies. We do not overcome him with gifts. Gifts are used to build up the body.

Re 12:11And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, and they did not love their lives to the death.

earn the title
Our identity is not earned. We are who we are, by the grace of God. We need to live the truth.


In general:
Just be carefull when you give prophecies in public. Let them be checked by the person over you. (If not a pastor, then there's mods or someone you trust (who actually is a (word)teacher/prophet))Sometimes we hear what God says, when we bring it forth, we say the wrong stuff. Although the message was from God, it gets a bit changed by us. Our desire must be to bring forth a pure word in love. Which is only accomplished by bringing forth a word and God working in us everytime.

Prophecy is about revealing the love and mercy of God, yet more, revealing his thoughts and heart in a way ppl can understand and/or touch.

And: I am a bit mad about the names you used. I find it fine, but you can't validate a prophecy with references to other ppl's prophecies/words/names.

Even though you move in the gift of prophecy, you must still test every prophecy and it's character. And earnestly seek to throw away those which do not honour Jesus Christ and bible scripture. And I want to encourage you to not put in things under an unknown name. It makes your prophecy without credit. And doesn't display the character of God. We must shout from the rooftops what God has whispered in our ears.

1Co 14:3
But he who prophesies speaks edification and exhortation and comfort to men.

Ac 13:15
And after the reading of the Law and the Prophets, the rulers of the synagogue sent to them, saying, "Men and brethren, if you have any word of exhortation for the people, say on."

Hebrews 12:4-17
4 You have not yet resisted to bloodshed, striving against sin. 5 And you have forgotten the exhortation which speaks to you as to sons:

"My son, do not despise the chastening of the Lord, Nor be discouraged when you are rebuked by Him; 6 For whom the Lord loves He chastens, And scourges every son whom He receives." F56 7

If F57 you endure chastening, God deals with you as with sons; for what son is there whom a father does not chasten? 8 But if you are without chastening, of which all have become partakers, then you are illegitimate and not sons. 9 Furthermore, we have had human fathers who corrected us, and we paid them respect.

Shall we not much more readily be in subjection to the Father of spirits and live? 10 For they indeed for a few days chastened us as seemed best to them, but He for our profit, that we may be partakers of His holiness. 11 Now no chastening seems to be joyful for the present, but painful; nevertheless, afterward it yields the peaceable fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained by it.

12 Therefore strengthen the hands which hang down, and the feeble knees, 13 and make straight paths for your feet, so that what is lame may not be dislocated, but rather be healed.

not be rude or mean

but did anyone else laugh when they read this? ???

no

I agree with xon, satan (the devil) can't be every where at once. and demons are still extremely cleaver and ruthless. the way I see it is that satan is the general and the demons his soldiers. satan is told all the information by his demonic forces and distributest the demons accordingly. one thing my pastor said is that he would be flattered and extremely joyful to have satan personally attacking him or his ministries.

There are also a few lines that I had trouble with...

The evil shepard will lose his flock <for they have become smarter than their leader>

Event though "the evil shephard" may lose some from his flock, he won't lose his flock. and they don't become smarter, they find the true shepherd CHRIST THE LORD!!

Death will only come if we embrace it

God takes us wether we want to or not, it isn't an option to embrace death. Death can come for us at any time and in any form (but it is still God's discision to take you home), some will die instantly, others slowly, but unless the rapture comes (let's not go down the "rapture: will it happen or not?" rabbit trail). Also, what if I do not embrace death. does that mean that I will continue to live, even through mortal wounds?

Warchant_warrior, I also had a harder time taking this seriously, it was just a little to poetic for me to take it seriously (I am not saying that if it is poetic (like psalms) that I cannot take it seriously). But the underlying theme is to resist satan and his attacks, and that I can agree with.

No the devil can't be everywhere but the demons are working much harder because he's here.

earning is in referance to the trials we are going to face. What we have now is going to get much worse, don't lose God.


I didn't want tosay this "in public" everyone here needed to hear it. It was also verified, not by a pastor beause all my pators are turnign on me. It was verified by passionate Christians i know intimatly.

Agent you're right about the first part the flocks gonna find God for themselves. i.e. no more dead churches

Death was not meant by physical death though in some cases it might be. We will want to give up on Christ more than ever now.

This is a warning, to be prepared not so everyone will fall.

not be rude or mean

but did anyone else laugh when they read this? ???


In a word ..no. If someone tells me they have a gift from God then i take that very serious and if they say they have something that God has put on their heart I take that serious too(unless they are saying something that you know God would never say ie: to kill someone etc.) and am willing to listen.If it turns out they are not what they say....then they have to answer to God.
WB777...these are troubling times....and if you study the bible...most of the times the messages the prophets gave were not to pleasant....but messages of warning to the people.
I hope that I will be one who stands true when the trials come.
Thanks for obeying God and sharing this with us....and may we all draw even closer to God through this!

Satan has always been here, since he had convinced Eve to eat the fruit. and if he was gone, where was he? I know this, there have been major satanic attacks on the church well before we relize it, only since some have started looking for it does it seem more predominate.

Dead churches are going to be around for quite some time. They are the only churches that satan wants, ones that feed its self and keeps to its self. Are they going away, in some areas they are but not in all. even within a churh there are people who are "dead," they would rather keep tradition then change to parallel a culture. we are human, some are not perfect, some are posers, some "don't have time for more church", and some have been serving in the wrong area for so long that they are sick of church. yet we shouldn't be weeding these people out, rather help the get back on the path.

I know it seems like I am attacking you, but we are to test the spirits to see whether they are from God (1 john 4:1 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/cgi-bin/bible?passage=1JOHN+4:1&language=english&version=N IV&showfn=on&showxref=on)). Something about what you are saying doesn't sit right with me.

i cant believe you people picking appart to the T the message.. we should accept it because it is of a reliable source and prepare... if its not already too late for those who need to hear it.

John 316 understands
Bothan4777 understands

Satan has always been here, since he had convinced Eve to eat the fruit. and if he was gone, where was he?

Satan has left Jesus at his command. demons leave in Jesus' name. he's been dormant, he's more real now. CAn't help saying anti-Christ

Dead churches are going to be around for quite some time. They are the only churches that satan wants, ones that feed its self and keeps to its self.

the dead christians will frind passion or they will die. they won't grow they will get smaller.

Agent, I know this is hard to take it pray over it. I would gladly betold this is wrong and everythings ok. I'm very sure this is from God, you're not the first person to question it.

John 316 is also right on the account that prophets are usually not full of cheer.

i couldn't anything more becauseI had to go.

Look at Jerimiah and Jonah for example.

this is true

I found out two of my pastors are not doing their jobs right and their one is leaving one is leaving when the moneys gone, and the church is tithing elsewhere.

thats insane.

Prophecy is a gift that anyone, who is born again can operate in, if they have the faith for it. That doesn't mean a person is a prophet. I say this again, a prophet will not call himself a prophet. It is not the title who makes you who you are. Our identity must be in Christ.

I have chosen to appear as someone else because I have found this gift to be manipulated and questioned

I will not accept the prophecy on ground of the above quote. It is not part of the character of God to do a thing like this, unless it is for yourself.( Hiding your identity)

There is another one who appeared as something else.

Biblically, you have to check out your prophecy words also. We aren't just 1 spirit with JEsus, we are also one mind "we have the mind of Christ." And you need to thoroughly check prophecy, every word must comply with the character of Jesus Christ.

It was also verified, not by a pastor beause all my pators are turnign on me. It was verified by passionate Christians i know intimatly.

This to me is dangerous ground. Why do you not submit to their authority? It was given to them by God? Unless they are totally teaching new stuff that is not biblical, you must submit to as you call them "my pators." There is a reason why God has appointed them over you. To change and to mould you, even if they are sometimes wrong, God calls you to submit and to follow his voice, not in defyance, but in brotherly love. God honours those who humbles himself.

Also the prophet as you call yourself must operate in the body with the other ministries or it gets distorted and perversed. Prophets do not stand alone in the new testament, they stand in the body of Christ, outside of it they are not fulfilling their call.

In the O.T. we see prophets standing alone, but prophecy changed when the church was born. We are one body held together in love.

When you have a prophecy it must be checked by 'older" prophets, not just well-meaning christians. (That means someone in authority must check it)

PyroTiger, I can't eccept a prophecy that doesn't comply to scripture, doesn't matter how right/nice/spiritual it sounds. There is 1 basic test: The Bible scripture and the character of Jesus Christ. I don't say you don't have the gift, I just say that every prophecy needs to be judged on its own merit. Ppl can hear wrong. And ppl make mistakes.

We should keep on trying and tell ppl what the Lord has told us. By doing this we become stronger and more trained in hearing his voice.

I think this done. We should be ready yes, not for the attack of the enemy, no, we should be ready for the glorious return of Jesus Christ. We should lift our heads to heaven and expect him.


"Lift up your heads, open the doors. Let the King of glory come in. And forever be our God"

what happened to the whole don't accept this thing?

i'm not condemning your or your words, i just want to ask a question of you WB777. in the Old Testament, a prophet would give his message from God. it would have two parts, short-term & long-term. if the short-term came true, then the people knew to trust the long-term. (look at Isaiah, he usually talks about judgement of Israel, then goes into how God will redeem the nation i.e. Jesus) first off, i don't see that in your prophecy. i'm not saying that invalidates it, i'm just saying it's not there.

but here's where i get to the question. if a prophet in the Old Testament got a message from God wrong, it was the duty of the people to kill the prophet. that is to say, there was no margin of error. you mess up the message, you die. :- may seem harsh, but God is serious that His Word is transmitted correctly. so, would you be willing to back up your prophecy to the death? (not saying we'll kill you if you're wrong, i'm just wondering if knowing this has any affect on you at all)

well dear,

the short term was confirmed in two churches by Miss PT

and this has been here what two days? give it a little while. not everything happens overnight.

yes our identity is in Christ and I did not call myself prophet at first soemone else did

God also gave us a choice in who to fallow and a right to discern. people can change. My calling was to change the leaders and to hel pthe sheep.

return? who said anything about him returning - we need to prepare for the return before we stair off into space. thats the point of this woe.


yes I defend what I say to the death. it was confirmed today- someonewho was the most against it found out who I am and stopped.

*blinks*

Err, ehehehe I'm not even going to reply to this thread...... wait, I just did... darn. :/

CJ

I'm not taking either side in this. I don't like choosing sides except when it comes to choosing Christ.

some points I'd like to make

From what I've read of this Waterbug had a very good reason to show up anonymous. She's being ripped into quite a bit here, its just not fair, whether shes wrong or not to go blasting her for mistakes shes made just isn't right and blasting ehr is what I c happening here.

When ppl say they have a gift from God I will take them seriously until proven wrong. Agent said it was too poetic, yet everyone takes it literally. Make up your mind. Either its poetic or literal and u take it that way!
Maybe thats why there is so much chaos over this. Ppl are taking it literal when its poetic.

I've read it and from what I've read of it I get this

Satan is no longer dilly dallying around hes now going to be serious. He knows he's running out of time and is perparing his final moves. The General is no longer sitting back drinking tes but he's commanding the troops to take out the greatest threats.

Weaker churches WILL be killed off. They don't like persecution, they can't stand in persecutuion. Only the Real Christians can stand in its face. Tell me how many half way lukewarm Christians are there in Iraq? or in China? Places where Christians are slaughtered daily?

My guess is NONE! Only real Christians can stand in it. We all know that in the last days Christians will be persecuted.

I do think an explanation should have been given of it as well as the prophesy. Problem with prophesy is that it can be twisted and interpreted a dozen different ways.

I don't know how ppl are going to take what I said. Please don't take it offensively. I don't wanna make this worse than it seems to be, I just want us all to be encouraging each other as we're supposed to.

The prophetic was given to the body as a help and service to the body of Christ, not for ourselves. And not so that we feel that we have accomplished something supernatural.

The prophet never owns the prophecy, it is not his or hers. It belongs to Jesus. And we may not use it to exalt ourselves. I'm sorry if this turned into a controversy, which I can't feel in my spirit, nor understand at the moment. It's just that there is something wrong with the words, even if there is confirmation.

I get the idea that you say the end is near, therefore the devil will also work harder to get souls, But the words you used are unbiblical

Therefore I cannot allow this prophecy to rest in my heart. I just want you to refer to Agents' first reply and my first/second reply. Something you said, doesn't line up with scripture and I feel you must respect that we do not accept it according to the above reason.

I can't receive a prophecy that doesn't line up with the Bible and character of Jesus Christ 100% No matter how it sounds.

I'm sorry, but I can't receive this word, no matter how hard you try to explain it. And I have given my reasons above.

I do encourage you to learn about prophecy and the tests of prophecy, from a person called to be a teacher and who does prophecy teachings in nothing but love.

Cause there is a lot of condemning prophets out there, when Jesus himself alone can judge. It's easy for a prophet to become judgemental, but we must rely on God to help us to stay humble. Jesus Christ is Lord.

What doesn't line up with scripture and Jesus' character? UR reasons to me don't make a whole lot of sense. I just don't get them.

The devil has come.
He is in our home daily.
No longer traps or demons, the devil himself.

The simple fact is this statement is unbiblical since we know the devil can only be in 1 place at a time, for him to be in our homes everyday, would be an impossibility for him.

Specificly there is stated: No longer traps or demons, but the devil himself - the himself refers to the devil personally. So the above statement is definately false.

Luk 4:13
Now when the devil had ended every temptation, he departed from Him until an opportune time.
(Devil can be at 1 place and moves between places)


From Agent:
Quote:
The evil shepard will lose his flock <for they have become smarter than their leader>

Event though "the evil shephard" may lose some from his flock, he won't lose his flock. and they don't become smarter, they find the true shepherd CHRIST THE LORD!!

The power of sin is not broken by head knowledge. It is broken by the power of God alone, not by human strength or knowledge. So the statement again is unbiblical.

Tit 3:5
not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit, (Saved by mercy and not by works or knowledge)

I see what u mean.

When I read that I took this from it

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The devil has come.
He is in our home daily.
No longer traps or demons, the devil himself.
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It isn't just demons alone now, so far they've done their own thing, the General is here to command the troops.

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The evil shepard will lose his flock <for they have become smarter than their leader>
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I didn't take the shepard as Satan but as bad Pastor's

I do get what u mean now. That's why I sed the prophesy should have been explained otherwise there will be dozens of different interpretations.

The reason I think I say the evil shphrd is satan because of the fact that Jesus only has 1 flock. So the flock she is referring to, must be the unsaved.
In the words it is said: "his flock" so it must be the unsaved. Otherwise it wouldn't be "his flock", but it would be Jesus' flock.

Bad pastors would be bad shepherds looking after Jesus' flock, not their own.

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The devil has come.
He is in our home daily.
No longer traps or demons, the devil himself.
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It isn't just demons alone now, so far they've done their own thing, the General is here to command the troops.


"so far they've done their own thing" - this isn't so, cause we are already living in the end times. Satan's kingdom is not divided. It is a Kingdom with a hirarchy. And it definately is led by him.

"No longer traps or demons" - This just frankly is untrue, demons are still here, the devil can't do much alone. he is only 1.

This frankly is just a lot of analysing sentences and words, which is boring for me. My oppinion stands in love, even though it can be harsh: I do not receive the word.

the reason I found this humerous is because this is not new prophecy. It sounds like every other prophecy that has come out of the Bible.

The world has always been getting worse by the day

Satan has always been here

Satan has always been working his hardest to destroy the kingdom of God

We have always had the choice to choose Satan or God

I don't see where the prophecy is coming out in this. I'm not trying to jump on ya man, but come on...you're acting like you're the first person to ever say this kind of stuff. I could've told you this without having a prophecy.

Plus the way this is written out makes absolutely not sense...none of it goes together and it jumps from one thought to a completely different thought.

I know I'm making myself out to be the bad guy here, but I just gotta say what I think needs to be said. You may have prophecy as your gift from God, but this is not propechy...this is stating something that's in the Bible.

I agree with Xon. If a profit is not 100% correct then that profit is wrong. And that prophecy could not come from God. You have to think if this was from God and He directed those words then there would be alinement with the character of Christ and the bible. Therefore it is not to be heeded.

I'm going to give everyonea friendly piece of advice. Pray over this.

don't take Xons truth or my truth or Johns or warchant warriors. Discern for yourself

It's clear we will not agree

one more thing,

Shepard - not the devil not Jesus in this case


Shepard = pastor

And that equals prejudice, cause in the real church

pastor<>shepherd
sheperds=elders (God's structure of the Church)

If you don't believe the above, check your bible and see that pastor is 1 of the five-fold ministries and is mentioned 2nd last.

Eph 4
11 And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers, 12 for the equipping of the saints for the work of ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ, 13 till we all come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a perfect man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ; 14 that we should no longer be children, tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, in the cunning craftiness of deceitful plotting, 15 but, speaking the truth in love, may grow up in all things into Him who is the head--Christ-- 16 from whom the whole body, joined and knit together by what every joint supplies, according to the effective working by which every part does its share, causes growth of the body for the edifying of itself in love.

1Ti 5:17
Let the elders who rule well be counted worthy of double honor, especially those who labor in the word and doctrine.

Jas 5:14 Is anyone among you sick? Let him call for the elders of the church, and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord.

one more thing,

Shepard - not the devil not Jesus in this case


Shepard = pastor


To me it looks like this was your message, not God's.

I agree

I just wanted to make a comment on the initial post.

We as christians need to be extremely cautious as to the words we use. Are we willing to call ourselves prophets? There are prophets in the Bible and I do believe there are prophets of today. I do not believe that when one has a prophetic gifting, that they can instantly call themselves prophets.

What you said in regards to the prophetic utterance, to this point, has been picked apart. There is nothing wrong with picking apart a prophetic word. I understand though as fellow brothers and sisters in Christ, we are to help you fine tune the prophetic gifting. What was it exactly that you seen or heard or believed the Spirit was saying to you that gave you this word? As it has been stated already, the utterances from our lips are quite often our interpretation of what God is saying to us. If you heard an audible voice, that is one thing, (even in that, it needs to be tested and proved through scripture), but most people that I know of with a prophetic gifting receive the word in various ways, in which it is left to the person to articulate it with clarity.

I do say that what you have done when you spoke it was done with good intention (at least to my viewing of your posting). I believe though, that it could have been a little presumptious. I came across this myself when I felt I had a strong word from the Lord and addressed it in front of our church. My pastor later came to me and said that what I was saying was true, but I took authority and led the church in a direction that he did not feel the Spirit was leading us. He encouraged me to continue with this gifting, but to be cautious as to being subject to the authority before me, which is the leadership of our church. When we take authority and rise above those who are watching over us, we are presuming on His grace and stepping outside of the structure He has laid out. This is pride. I am not even saying that you did this intentionally, but I do believe that pride can be deceptive.

By no means do I call myself a prophet, but the Lord does speak to me (not audibly, yet!). I believe the general direction the Lord is going with believers all of the world is simple. He is bringing his people to a place of hot or cold. There is no longer going to be lukewarm christianity. He is raising up a generation that will destroy the compromise in their lives. This generation is likened unto the generation that took the promised land, led by the Joshua's and the Caleb's. He is bringing back the true church, which is found in the book of Acts. What we say and do, in accordance with His perfect will, will come to pass. This people will be a people of true committment to bringing His kingdom to their lives as well as others around them. Satan indeed is angry at this and has unleashed an all out assault on the this generation. But the Lord says time and time again, there is nothing to fear, the Spirit that is within this generation, is the same Spirit that raised Christ from the dead. He is calling this generation forth from the dry bones we see in Ezekiel. The dry bones represent His church up to this point. Now the Spirit will go forth and breath life into these bones that He has placed the joints and ligaments, muscles and flesh upon (spiritually). This army will stand tall and bring many others into the Kingdom of God! There is a faith level rising in this generation. They are fed up with lack of integrity, compromise and broken promises. This generation will walk in the opposite and see the signs and wonders and miracles follow them, because they BELIEVE!

I see this and I get excited. God is truly restoring His church, and this is an exciting time to be in. We need to continue to walk in humility before Him. Always repenting for our wrongdoings, and taking Him at His word. Now is not a time to fear, but rejoice that God is the Victor, through Jesus Christ!

no actually shepard meaning pastor is biblical

I'm right on with you Jerid Hill, I was called a prophet... and more than once.

jerid hill...what you are saying has been said for the past 10-15 years of my life...I want to believe you but this world is getting worse and worse, not better and better. I think you're looking to close to your surroundings and thinking that is the world. This world hates christianity, they hate everything that has to do with it. This generation has been going down the wrong road as it gets older and it freightens me to see what will take place later on down the road.

What saddens me even more is that it is christians, who believe they are doing the right thing, within the generation that are pushing people away from the church.

I'm sorry you feel this way. I do not even see this in my immediate environment. I would love to see this happening even right now within our church, but there have been many parents who have offended their children with their "freedom". Some even in our church. But as the Word declares that God is restoring the the sons to the fathers and the fathers to the sons. This of course goes to men and women alike.

I have not heard this word from anyone else, which only confirms my belief that this is what God is doing. You said you've heard this for the past 10-15 years of your life. Yes this world is getting worse, why do you think this is so? Because the days of lukewarm will be behind us. When there is a greater clarity between hot and cold, the evidence of sin being more evident. I did not say that the world was going to get better. The Word even declares the opposite. As a matter of fact, the world and the sins get worse. Even worse than the days of Soddam and Ghomara. We are seeing more of this every day. There still needs to be a generation to rise that will destroy these things in their lives as well as helping others come into that same accountability.

I agree Christians are at fault for driving alot of these away. But the Word declares when a person comes to the end of their rope, this is where they find God. This is what happened to me. I try to be understanding of all things. I have many in our church that have confided in me of the very thing you are speaking. The Word states to judge in the manner in which you desire to be judged. If we judge with condemnation and wrath, this is how we will be judged, if we judge with mercy and kindness, this is how we will be judged. Unfortunately, too many "christians" judge by outward appearances and religion tied to their necks. Jesus never intended for this. I truly believe that God will rise up and bring revelation to this generation of His divine grace.

Jesus is who we serve. Man has burned many in this generation, not Jesus. Jesus will restore this relationship with Him once He brings the revelation upon Him. The Word says that prophecy in part. I don't know how God is going to do this, only that He is. We are praying for this to happen within our city and region. We are standing in faith that this will happen. Faith is the substance of things hoped for and the evidence of things unseen. Basically, our hope is in this, because we believe it is the heart of God. We see this in our spirits even though it is not in the physical. Many people saw their healing before Jesus touched them. How do we know this? Because Jesus asked them if they believed He could heal them. They said yes. My prayer is that the hurts and the wounds of the fathers and mothers will be healed between them and the sons and daughters. When this happens, I believe God will lift His veil so that this generation can rise.

I think that what you are speaking of will only happen when christ returns

im sorry i misunderstood what you were saying before, i believe i do now...I do see that the line between warm and cold is being drawn a little more clearly, but there is still a huge portion of christians who are still dangling their feet into the lukewarm area

Unfortunately, true.

Here's a good question for you. What is your definition of 'lukewarm'? I know different ppl have a different idea of wot Lukewarmness is and what the consequences are (being spat out of the body of Christ doesn't sound good)

Sorry, christianeze is hard to get out of the habit. Lukewarm to me is compromise. Allowing compromise and selfishness to dictate our walk with the Lord. This compromise always leads to questions of is it right or wrong? Then the selfishness most of the time will pull us in the direction the Lord does not want us to go, whether it is right or wrong.

I don't think it's compromise. Jesus never said that not compromising is very important. He made this lukewarmness out to be VERY important
So I think it's love

Lvoe defined Jesus ministry, it defines God. Jesus said that love is the greatest commandment love is also the 1st mentioned spiritual gift.

So I think they were lacking in love. Loveless Christians may as well not be Christians...

You may be right. As I said before, we only know in part and prophecy in part, as the scripture declares. I do not always understand what I speak, I speak them. That is part of stepping out in faith.

I do believe though, that all of these things are interrelated and they all end up leading to pride in our lives. Pride is what made satan fall, and ultimately what will lead all who do not follow Jesus to fall too. The only unforgiveable sin is blasphemy of Holy Spirit or in other words, rejection of Him. When we reject Him, we are standing in pride saying we do not need Him, we can do it on our own.

I don't believe I have all of the answers, but I do try to be very open to what the Spirit desires to do in my life. He has weeded out quite a bit of pride, but recently, I have found Him working a little deeper and allowing me to see deep seeded pride. This pride can be very subtle. So subtle that you do not even know it's there. He allows situations to happen that open our eyes to these things.

It is the same as Paul said, he is nothing but filthy rags, oh what a wretched soul I am.

I know many of you have been struggling more than usual. I am not. I am struggling just as much or as little as before.
Neither does the world seem to me to be getting worse, or better. Look at history. 60 years ago there was Natzism and Hitler and WWII. And before that, "the wars to end all wars". The list goes on.
I don't think it's compromise. Jesus never said that not compromising is very important. He made this lukewarmness out to be VERY important
So I think it's love

Good point. Love rejects selfishness. And those who love God obey his word. It always goes back to the source, love. Love of God, and others. From the stories I have read of people with life after death experiences, it was acts of true love that made Jesus and the angels happy.
And this is what worries me:
What is the use of worrying about the devil being around us? It never served me a purpose. It doesn't help. Or edify. Whay not concentrate more on God his love, and his love for the needy arround us? His love, that transforms us? That makes us ever glad to repent?
There are more things that worry me about all this, but I think I have written enough for now.

Mt 12:45
Then he goes and takes with him seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter and dwell there; and the last state of that man is worse than the first. So shall it also be with this wicked generation."

2Ti 3:13
But evil men and impostors will grow worse and worse, deceiving and being deceived.