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skynes
11-19-2005, 10:19 AM
I am pissed off. I make no secret of it. I am really really annoyed.

But this is not the anger of the world. This is not an anger where I throw things around and swear a lot. This is a righteous fury against a demonic spirit.
This spirit is called Lust.

In the past 48 hours. I have learnt of two of my friends who have lost their virginity. (One is 'technically' still a virgin. But that's besides the point.)
That makes 4 this year, the other two, if you pushed it, can be classified as being raped by their boyfriends. They were either forced into it or manipulated into it.

Lust is something every human struggles with. For those that tell me you don't, quit your lying, it's pathetic and it insults my intelligence. Sooner you admit it the sooner you can ram your fist down its throat and tear out its windpipe.



Words cannot express the emotions I feel. I have never felt such passion or indignation before. Me, my friends and my loved ones are under this rotten things grasp! I have had enough. I am drawing the line NOW. I am readying myself for war, no prisoners will be taken, no questions will be asked, no mercy will be shown. I want this thing erradicated with extreme prejudice

However, I have seen first hand the effects of misplaced Passion and jumping in with both feet only to find you're standing above acid. I want to act now, but I won't. I am not the Lord of Battle. I am not the Lord of Hosts. I move when He says so and not before. I act in the way He commands and in no other.

Quite frankly, if I do this alone, it'll probably kill me in a true and literal sense. I need your help. Entering battle is dangerous, entering battle alone against such a powerful entity is suicide. Some kind of organisation is needed and major prayer coverage is required. So I'm asking your help. Pray with me and fight by my side.

I am praying for every one of you, for all my friends both on and offline. As many as I can name, if I don't know your name, then your screenname.



Enough is enough. This swine has crept into churches, snuck into relationships, reasoned its way into lives. All of the above it has destroyed. I think lust is almost as devious as the spirit of lies and deception. Which makes it a very dangerous foe.
It has destroyed too much and needs to be stopped. If it is removed from one persons life then that is a victory, a first step in it's true erradication

I am breaking every rule my nature has created in my 22 years of life by doing this. I am exposing myself to everyone now in asking for your help. I need prayer. This all needs prayer. Without prayer it will die. Please help.



The list of Lust-Busters *plays ghostbusters theme*

How this works: Daily pray for everyone on this list that they can focus upon God, control their thoughts and fight Lust.

If you want to join just let me know and I'll add your name.

The list:

Skynes - Scott
Weebird20 - Laura
TheFireBreathes - Brett
Disciple - You've never actually told me your name.
Alorian - Seth
Bob - James
Aragornsgirl217 - Nicole
PinkGoo - Liz
Unshakeable15 - Mike
Lamb_Servant72 - Lisa
WhereamI - William
NightCrawler - Jonathan
TheElectric3 - Tracy
Panhead_91 - Tiffany
as~i~lay~dying - Jessica
Ming3r - Ming
Shadow-Phoenix - Rob
Kittygirl - Rachael
Eternity - Sam
Heavenly_notion - Cassie
pizza brain - Matt
Bassplayer - Dustin
Unknown Guest
frymeskillet - Savannah
skilletgirl - unavailable
Legacy - Hobbs
Sully4Him - Sully
turquoisechucks - Jordan
guitargrrl4ben - Claudia
Skilletfreak101 - Josh
Dreaiscoolio - Logan
Isildur9473 - Greg
Dawn Of Light - Rachel
Korey_Cooper_Jr. - Amelia
forceflow17 - Josh
guitarfreak - Giselle
The Lamma - N/A

Total: 37

bob
11-19-2005, 11:19 AM
Skynes, I am 100% with you on this, and yes I will pray for you. I agree with everything you said. This really has gone on too far. 1 in every 2 sex partners a person has will have STDs, that is a very staggering statistic, we are spreading our own demise. It's time that we as christians should fight back against the world.

as~i~lay~dying
11-19-2005, 11:43 AM
wow...i can see how your so frusterated...it is soo incredibly sad..weve been talking about this a lot in school...so many people guys and girls are depressed because they give themsleves to someone who isnt theres its the most horrible empty feeling in the world(i kno fm experience)..."they awaken love before its time"(forget what verse it is)a song that i love and reminds me to stay true is...

true love waits- souljahz(you gotta act. listen tot eh song..its so powerful)

You've walked this road so many times
And you swore you knew your way
But now you're looking in persuasive eyes
And you don't know what to say
When he tells you he loves you
WHen he tells you he needs you
When he says it feels so right it can't be
wrong
When he says it's the right time
That every things gonna be just fine
Still you know where your heart belongs
So believe that

CHORUS:
True love waits don't let anyone change your
ways
Look em all straight in the face
And tell em, No matter what I'll remain
the same
Don't waht to be deceived
See I've found the key can't you see that I
believe, I believe
That true love waits for me, waits for me

You've told your self you've been here before
You see her face and then you open the door

Now its up to you so whatcha gonna do?
You love her with a smile then you love her
with a kiss
Some how you both knew that it would come
to this
Is it really worth it?
When she tells you she loves you
When she tells you she needs you
But in your heart you still believe

CHORUS

And true love would say, "I'll meet you there
if you'll wait"
And true love would say, would say,
"If you wait for me I'll wait for you my love,
my love"
Ture love waits and you gotta keep the faith
With God you're gonna stay strong
WIth hope you're gonna carry on--
true love waits- souljahz

NightCrawler
11-19-2005, 11:46 AM
I am with you 90% of my being. The other ten being my weakness and laziness.

You have my support in action, prayer, and everything else that I can give for this.

You sound ticked.

NightCrawler
11-19-2005, 11:50 AM
1 out of 4 people have had or will have an STD...

skynes
11-19-2005, 12:52 PM
I am more than just ticked. I am passionately indignant. I spent near 2 hours in prayer last night... I've never done that before. But I needed to. As I said, I'm not God, I don't make the battle plans. But I can go and ask for prayer, both for me, them and yourselves.

drumchick101
11-19-2005, 07:39 PM
I'm all with you on this, sky. I think the part of lust I hate the most is when girls use a guy's lust against them to get what they want. That sickens me, utterly discusts me. But I understand your pure anger because it seems to be something that you can never get away from. No matter what, there will always be a deception that slips into your mind and turns ugly, real fast and you never know how. It almost seems that lust takes advantage of your innocence in some ways, but I guess that depends on the person. I must confess that it seemed to take advantage of my innocence. I understand your righteous indignance. I join you in prayer, in action, and in standing up for the truth.

><sarah><

john316
11-20-2005, 06:19 PM
I am more than just ticked. I am passionately indignant. I spent near 2 hours in prayer last night... I've never done that before. But I needed to. As I said, I'm not God, I don't make the battle plans. But I can go and ask for prayer, both for me, them and yourselves.


Stand in the gap man!!and fight back the powers of darkness...greater is He in you then he that is in the world.I just love hearing about someone getting mad at sin and attacking it head on with prayer.

And please know that I will be praying too.

skynes
11-21-2005, 12:30 AM
Do me a favour you guys and pray for me. Standing in the gap hurts like hell and right now I feel like a skewered sardine over a spit. I'm getting knocked about quite badly and I can't stand alone.

Aragornsgirl217
11-21-2005, 03:50 AM
I'm praying for you sky!

unshakeable15
11-23-2005, 12:48 AM
Scott, i'm with you.

and by that, i mean this.

i will pray for you. and i expect your prayers for me as well.

i want to stand there along side you (a couple thousand miles away) and get knocked around. i'm too comfortable in all my junk, my sin. so, brother in Christ, let me stand with you and pray with you. we'll be beaten, but we don't fail. we will bleed, but not fall.

as~i~lay~dying
11-23-2005, 07:31 AM
i will def. be praying for you!!!!

bob
11-27-2005, 08:27 AM
Skynes, how are you doing? Haven't heard from you in a couple of days . . . i'm still praying for you man.

alorian
11-27-2005, 10:54 AM
Scott, my brother, my man, I stand with you in this. You stand not alone, but with God, and your bros and sis's in Christ. This- thing- must not stand. We can rise against it. Prayer time, buddy, I"m off.

skynes
11-27-2005, 01:40 PM
Much appreciated.

I hurt like hell. Oddly enough I havent struggled at all against this, I haven't needed to, the temptation and desire just aren't there. So if I've kicked iut out succesfully, then its this thats hammering at me to get back in. And boy do I mean HAMMERING. My head feels like it's going to implode :|

Your prayers are really appreciated. I have no doubt that were it not for this influx of prayers this would have killed me by now.

lamb_servant72
11-27-2005, 02:30 PM
I don't know if you got my note on MySpace, I have been praying for you.

This is a subject I am passionate about. I have been busy binding lustful spirits at work. I have seen so much progress there! If I posted what the inmates use to do when I walked into the dorms, this would have to be XXX-rated! I have really been standing in the gap for these guys. Things have changed so much, God is AWESOME!!

On the old "Lust" thread, I made a long-winded post at #11, which covered alot of research I had done on the effects of giving into lust. I couldn't figure out how to cut and paste it here, but if anyone is interested in taking a look at it, it's there.

as~i~lay~dying
11-27-2005, 03:20 PM
here it is lisa...good stuff! ;)

I would like to recommend two publications for anyone helping someone caught in this or dealing with it themselves.

"When Sex Becomes an Addiction" is a very informative pamplet by Focus on the Family. It talks about the stages of addiction. According to the research presented in it, sexual addiction is just like any other addiction in that what once brought a "high" eventually doesn't, and the "user" has to progress to the next level to get the "high". Eventually, addicts are doing things they never thought they would do.

Epinephrine is a hormone released by the brain that is responsible for driving the person to seek this "high". The release of epinephrine cannot be controled by the person's will, so suddenly, any type of stress, anger, or fear causes the addict to feel an "uncontrollable" need to "shoot up" like a drug addict, except that their drug is all right there in the brain. Epinephrine acts as a camara, imprinting the images that the addict has seen on the brain. This is why it is such a dangerous addiction. The addict doesn't have to leave his job or home in search of the drug, epinephrine has not only just made it necessary to get "high", but it just brought up the images, as well.

There are four stages of sexual addiction. First, the person is only looking at printed material. Our society has been so deceived that pornography is "innocent", and that it is "normal" and even "manly" to look at this material. After a while, the person no longer gets the same "thrill" from just looking.

Stage two involves having "the real thing", this could be having an affair, using prostitutes, etc. It doesn't matter if the addict is married. Trying to cure a sex addict with more marital sex is like trying to give an alcoholic more water. And of course, once the act is over, the addict feels overwhelming guilt, and makes promises to himslf and God (if he is a believer) that it won't happen again. Pretty soon, these encounters become even boring.

Stage three includes things that are illegal. Child pornography, voyeurism, exhibitionism, stalking, etc. Addicts say that in this stage, they cannot control what they are doing. Often, they leave the scene in tears, making more promises.

In stage four, the addict has to kill the victim to get his "high". Ted Bundy is one that comes to mind.

Also published by Focus, "An Affair of the Mind" is a book written by a women who's husband was nearly destroyed by sexual addiction. His parents were missionaries and he attended a Christian college and was in ministry. I like this book because it presentes the emotional, spiritual, and mental sides of the addiction. It shows what is done to the family and the addict.

I found it very interesting that this man lost his ability to "think", if you will. The author asked God to show her what was going on. She had a vision of his brain, it was completely smooth except for one deep line. When he had a cat scan, it revealed that very thing! Because of what pornography had done to his brain, he went from a high paying executive job with all of the perks to working in a doughnut factory for minimum wage.

This book also states that a certain motel chain was quoted as saying they love it when Christians book conventions with them, because their orders for ponographic movies increase by 80%. I am not sure why Satan chooses this as a primary tool for attacking Christians, perhaps because it is a hidden addiction. I am thankful that this is becoming exposed and more and more people are in training to minister to those caught in it.

This book also gives the important steps of getting out of the addiction.

If you are interested in the pamplet or the book, call Focus on the Family at 1-800-AFAMILY.

I wanted you guys to know how serious this is. Lust destroys, it is not to be taken lightly. If you are struggling, please do something now. Know that there is hope.

And girls, where a man's primary means of exitability is visual, yours is emotional and physical (touch). Don't be deceived by the "innocence" of "romance novels". Just like the addiction for (mostly) men described above, these books are a path to the same addiction.

I love all of you and I pray for you. May the Holy Spirit give you wisdom to see the enemies attacks and set you free!!!

lamb_servant72
11-27-2005, 03:44 PM
Thanks, Jessica! I was trying to cram alot of research into that post! I hope it made sense and didn't get too long-winded!

skynes
11-28-2005, 12:40 AM
No it made perfect sense and I'm thankful you put the time into that research. I'm sure it'll come in useful.

NightCrawler
11-28-2005, 01:05 PM
I've read that before, did you post it before?

skynes
11-29-2005, 12:16 AM
Yeah she posted it in the old 'Lust' thread.

bob
11-29-2005, 07:42 PM
I hadn't read that post when it was in the 'Lust thread', I found it very informative none-the-less. :)

skynes
12-13-2005, 07:00 AM
I've become more certain now that your thoughts dictate your actions.

By monitoring my thoughts like a nasty High School teacher monitors halls, I've actually managed to keep most of this kind of junk out of my head. No dwelling on it, AT ALL.

I do owe it to God and everyone who's been praying.

Still a ways to go though. I'm still being battered and it still hurts like hell sometimes, but I'm getting there. I'm 'hoping' that eventually it'll take the hint and bugger off, I just need to stand firm until then.

Now... Could someone PLEASE pull this spear out of my back? It has me kinda pinned to the ground and a little unable to do anything.

skynes
12-16-2005, 12:49 AM
TO ALL THE GIRLS:

Guys are visually minded. When told something, our brain creates a picture of it before we fully acknowledge what you've just said.
As in, before we've managed to fully comprehend what you just said, before we have a chance to decide whether to think about it or not, our brain has created a picture of it for us.

Say monster truck rally. We instantly think of big trucks crushing cars in a dirt track.

Say Evil Dead, we think a guy in a bloody blue shirt with a chainsaw for a hand.

Say Rock Concert, that would be a bunch of people moshing to a cool band.

Say "I'm going for a shower..." Need I say more?
Don't tell us that...

Most/all of us guys struggle with lustful thoughts, telling us you're going to be butt naked in a hot steamy shower doesn't help. It makes it worse... Much worse.

As beautiful a sight as that would be (and it is), most of us would rather not think of it.

Tell us you're going to clean up, wash your hair, freshen up, etc. Just DONT tell us you're having a shower or a bath! PLEASE!!!

weebird20
12-16-2005, 02:19 AM
Scott I never knew that before you told me...that saying something as simple as "going for a shower" cud have such an affect on guys....i have been trying to be more careful with saying stuff like that....

ok everybody.....this is hard for me to admit but i struggle...yip i do...and i wud love to know there are people out there who are praying for me...i really don't wna keep it to myself any longer and as shameful as it is for me to say this to you all....i let lust take hold of me sometimes...most of the ppl i have talked to say that it gets them usually when things are going bad for them and its kinda like a comfort thing.....but i seem to fall in when everything in my life is going great....i've realised that during those times i pray and read less so its so much easier for those bad thoughts to sneak in....but when things are tough in my life i pray so much more and read a lot and all my energy is focused on God...which i love...but i don't want my life to be tough all the time just so Satan can't hve a foothold in my life...so if you could please pray that i cud also win this war it wud be sooo wonderful!

thanks guys....and i think of all of you here when i pray :)

skynes
12-16-2005, 05:55 AM
A beautiful a sight as that would be (and it is), most of us would rather not think of it.

What I meant by this is:

That regardless what society says, you are beautiful.

I am not saying you are ugly and that is why we don't want to think of you.

I'm saying that us thinking of you lustfully leads to sin and we do not want that.

whereami
12-16-2005, 11:52 AM
wow. i just found this thread today, and its about time i did.

Scott, I completely agree with everything you've said in this thread (especially that first post, dude, that was an awsome post, i had to stop what i was listening to and start playing "absolute" by TFK as i was reading it, that had a nice effect).

I have struggled with lust for so long and said to myself "this time will be the end" so many times that every time i say it i know that it wont be. Ive gotten just plain lazy. I've convinced myself that i can't win and accepted my fate: a life controlled by lust. I'm sick and tired of it too. I hate myself for it, i'm disgusted with how i act, and yet, can't stop myself.

i am fully prepared to finally stand up against lust and try to fight it out of my life. when i say fully prepared, i mean im ready to get prepared. as it is right now, my faith needs some major help. I've got alot of things between me and God i need to work out before i set off on a campaign like this, im going to need all of the help i can get from Him.

Scott, Know that i will be praying for you, alot, and for anyone else who is battling against lust. i also ask for you to pray for me, ive tried this so many times and i REALLY dont want this to be just another failed attempt, thanks guys.

skynes
12-17-2005, 11:22 AM
It seems to me that there's enough people supporting this to really accomplish something in our lives.

One on one, lust will win EVERY time.

Get 20 on one? And lust is going down.

I know this has been a bit sparse and spread out. But how about we DO group together and pray for one another daily? Show this thing who's the TRUE boss of our lives!

drumchick101
12-17-2005, 12:50 PM
but i seem to fall in when everything in my life is going great....i've realised that during those times i pray and read less so its so much easier for those bad thoughts to sneak in....but when things are tough in my life i pray so much more and read a lot and all my energy is focused on God

I am the exact same way. The other day I was thinking about how much of a lose-lose situation I am in in this case. If I am stuggling, then I press into God but I since I am struggling, I am not flourishing. But when everything is good, it is then that I let God slip away and I lose again. I have been working hard to establish a dicipline with God so I can avoid that and I can overcome the rocky times. So far I've found it helpful as long as I stick to it. We'll just say I'm human.

><sarah><

TheFireBreathes
12-17-2005, 02:48 PM
It seems to me that there's enough people supporting this to really accomplish something in our lives.

One on one, lust will win EVERY time.

Get 20 on one? And lust is going down.

I know this has been a bit sparse and spread out. But how about we DO group together and pray for one another daily? Show this thing who's the TRUE boss of our lives!

Sounds like plan to me.

disciple
12-17-2005, 03:42 PM
I will pray for your group, Scott. As for myself, I already have enough demons to conquer on my own, so I'll just stick to praying that all of you will achieve whatever goals you set out to accomplish. :)

theelectric3
12-17-2005, 04:14 PM
remember that it is through Christ, submiting our thoughts and lives to Him, that we can overcome. we cannot attack lust in our own strength.

lust is like a little bat. you think you can swat it away but it sticks to you. and no matter how hard you shake it, it won't fly off. but when you are washed in the blood of our Savior, it can't stick. He is victorious. every.time.

i read "Passion and Purity" by Elisabeth Elliot and it really helped me. i recomend this book to men and women alike. one thing she said in there that really stuck with me goes along with Romans 12:1.

We are to offer our bodies to the Lord as a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable to God which is our reasonable service.

Elisabeth made a wonderful point that has helped me so much. every longing we get (good or bad) offer them up to the Lord as a sweet smelling aroma. it is not a sin to have the thought enter your mind - for the mind is the battlefeild. the sin comes in when you entertain the thought. dwell on it.

that's why, as it has already been pointed out, we have to take every thought captive. how? offer it to Him. "Lord, you know this thought... you know the desire. but i offer it up to you. i want to be a vessel of honor and purity. i ask for revelation in this area, show me how to glorify You in this area of my life. once more, i give my life (thoughts, will, emotions, body) to You. You are Lord of my life. not me. thank You for Your love and patience. amen."

i respect you all for being transparent, asking for prayer. especially over something people tend to view today as "no big deal."

Laura - it is easy to give into temptation when our guard is down. i believe we can all say that. whether the struggle is lust, pride, greed, anger... etc. the spirit is willing but the flesh is weak. He gives us the strength we need - rest in Him.

that_other_girl
12-17-2005, 08:37 PM
my sister was raped about a month ago. *censored* She is 18. Do you know how rare that is? For an 18 year old to STILL have their virginity?!? and then someone RAPED her!?! *censored* My mom was also raped...which is now why i have my sister. *censored* He claimed to be a "Christian" which is why my mom was trying to help him. He was really a con artist, witch doctor or warlock.

theelectric3
12-17-2005, 11:07 PM
actually, soceity may try to convince how rare it is to be a certain age and still have your virginity... but it isn't rare.

sorry to hear about your mom and sister. not cool.

another reminder as to how we need to be wise as serpants and gentle as doves. we have to be careful who we "try to help." even then putting up boundries so as to not provide a way for temptation which leads to sin. because that seems to be a way the enemy gets in so many times. through our claim of "helping another person."

*please note i am not pointing the finger at your mom as i do not know the situation. i am just speaking as a whole.*

And please be mindful and avoid any language, graphic descriptions, and images that would be inappropriate on the boards (which is why i censored your post above). This includes substituting in various punctuation in place of such words... just don't even make reference to it. If you can't seem to convey what you want to say without resorting to such language, we suggest you either check here (http://thesaurus.reference.com) or simply don't say it. thanks. :)

skynes
12-18-2005, 06:55 AM
I'll just stick to praying that all of you will achieve whatever goals you set out to accomplish. :)

Goals... Hmm... A list of them would be good.

Goals:

To set God in charge even more
To focus upon Him more than we do now
To remove Lust as much as possible from our lives.
To monitor our thoughts and kick out the junk (no lustful thoughts = no lustful actions)
To keep track of one another and encourage one another when we slip up.

Sounds good?

Here's what I think would be a good way to do it.

We come up with a list of names of everyone involved. Daily for the next so many weeks (trial-run) we pray daily for every name on that list, thus we're praying for everyone and everyone is praying for us. More we have, the greater a force it is.

That ok?
Lemme know who's in and I'll add you here.

The list:

Skynes - Scott
Weebird20 - Laura
TheFireBreathes - Brett
Disciple - ::] You've never actually told me your name.
Alorian - Seth
Bob - James
Aragornsgirl217 - Nicole
PinkGoo - Liz
Unshakeable15 - Mike
Lamb_Servant72 - Lisa
WhereamI - William
NightCrawler - Jonathan

Anyone else?

Edit: That's 12. I'm sure we can easily hit 20...

alorian
12-18-2005, 07:57 AM
I know his name ;)

Add me, yes.

bob
12-18-2005, 09:25 AM
Add Me in.

TheFireBreathes
12-18-2005, 10:30 AM
Goals... Hmm... A list of them would be good.

Goals:

To set God in charge even more
To focus upon Him more than we do now
To remove Lust as much as possible from our lives.
To monitor our thoughts and kick out the junk (no lustful thoughts = no lustful actions)
To keep track of one another and encourage one another when we slip up.

Sounds good?

Here's what I think would be a good way to do it.

We come up with a list of names of everyone involved. Daily for the next so many weeks (trial-run) we pray daily for every name on that list, thus we're praying for everyone and everyone is praying for us. More we have, the greater a force it is.

That ok?
Lemme know who's in and I'll add you here.

The list:

Skynes - Scott
Weebird20 - Laura
TheFireBreathes - Brett
Disciple - ::] You've never actually told me your name.
Alorian - Seth
Bob - James

Anyone else?

I think that is a great idea Skynes

Aragornsgirl217
12-18-2005, 12:27 PM
Count me in too Skynes, and know that I will be praying for all of you!

PinkGoo
12-18-2005, 12:35 PM
Why not. Add me.

unshakeable15
12-18-2005, 02:41 PM
The list:

Skynes - Scott
Weebird20 - Laura
TheFireBreathes - Brett
Disciple - ::] You've never actually told me your name.
Alorian - Seth
Bob - James

Anyone else?
why, may i ask, did you not put me in there? :P

(aka, this is me raising my hand)

lamb_servant72
12-18-2005, 03:32 PM
*Raises hand*

disciple
12-18-2005, 04:01 PM
Disciple - ::] You've never actually told me your name.
Ah-HA! So this is all just a clever scheme for getting my name out in public! It's all part of your plan to overtake the world...!

Okay, I'm done. ::]


Well, it sounds like my prayer list is gonna grow. (As if half the people on that list aren't already in my prayers. ::])

whereami
12-18-2005, 04:36 PM
add me in scott.

tracy - thank you for those last couple posts, they were very helpful, i like what you have to say ;)

I just want to add an extra thanks to scott for starting this thread, dude, seriously, thank you. i've been getting lazyer and lazyer in my faith and this was just what i needed to shake me out of my lazy habits and get me on the right track again. the other day i had the first really meaningfull talk with God that ive had in probly over a year. I have alot of work to do rebuilding my relationship with Christ, but you helped me take the first step, and Im not going to let myself slide again. i'll be praying for everyone, and i know that yall will be praying for me.

NightCrawler
12-18-2005, 06:23 PM
Cough, add me. Cough.

skynes
12-19-2005, 12:35 AM
\m/ (>.<) \m/

Warg.

I think this is going to really accomplish something for all of us.
Prayer really works, I'm sure of this.

This past month (1 month, 2 days) I have been living on prayers. When things burden me down, I've called on my family in Christ for help, they pray and my burden greatly lightens, or I get greatly strengthened and I can carry on unimpeded.

I tell you, this can be beaten, in Christ we are victiorious, He won the victory 2000 years ago, now we get to live it.

I know our walks with God will be strengthened like never before now.

as~i~lay~dying
12-19-2005, 07:36 AM
Amen! So true...thats so awesome that you can go to your family for advice and prayer...I'm sure a lot of us can't.~Like me~

skynes
12-19-2005, 08:57 AM
Jessica, we're your family. So yes you can come to us.
I didn't mean my genetic family, I meant my brethren in Christ,

drumchick101
12-19-2005, 12:46 PM
Amen, this family has always been there for me. Although christians have slapped me acrss the face before, there are so many others who have more than made up for it.


I know our walks with God will be strengthened like never before now.

I can second that. God has been doing a lot with me in ways of making my tougher and stonger especially in the last few months. I think that all of this has a lot to do with the upcomming year. He is getting us all ready for something...

><sarah><

Aragornsgirl217
12-20-2005, 06:40 AM
Amen brother!

Just a quick side note on the subject of lust...there's a book called "Every young womans battle", I forget who the authors are, but they also have "Every young mans battle", "Every mans battle", and "Every womans battle", and they all tackle the subject of lust and sex. I bought it for my friend at Family Christian Book Store last night as a Christmas present for my friend, and I ended up reading last night, and it was very good and very powerful. Just thought I'd let you all know:)

-Nickie

skynes
12-20-2005, 06:51 AM
I've read them :P

I also recommend "Wild at Heart" and "Captivating". They both discusst the core of a man's and woman's hearts and why they desire what they do.


How is everyone doing with this?

disciple
12-20-2005, 01:52 PM
How is everyone doing with this?
As far as praying... I'll need to work on my memory a bit, sometimes I forget to pray for certain people. :-\

As far as with lust, eh... it's an ongoing battle that I do better with when I get better sleep hours.

alorian
12-20-2005, 06:27 PM
Lots better! I need to pray for you guys more often, though.

lamb_servant72
12-20-2005, 11:35 PM
I was having trouble with my dreams. I remembered to pray about that before I went to sleep last night.

I think I'm an easy target right now because I've got a couple of things going on that are stressing me. I am trying to give them to God, but I am worrying about them. I need to find more time to curl up in His lap!!

I think being distracted like that makes it easy for the enemy to temp us with dwelling on a thought we shouldn't. That thought gets in there when we are focused on negative things (like for me, those two stressors), and an initial reaction may be (like for me, having that dream pop into my head), "Hey, there's something to think about that will make me feel better."

GGrrrr....

disciple
12-21-2005, 10:48 AM
Yeah, dreams are an every night trouble for me. I didn't have any last night because I didn't get a lot of sleep, but yeah...

TheFireBreathes
12-21-2005, 01:12 PM
How is everyone doing with this?

Its been hard to pray lately because Ive been so tired and I cant concentrate at all. But hopefully tonight will be better, because I'll have time to hang out with my youth leaders.

alorian
12-21-2005, 02:18 PM
I need some extra prayer right now..

lamb_servant72
12-21-2005, 04:19 PM
Yeah, dreams are an every night trouble for me. I didn't have any last night because I didn't get a lot of sleep, but yeah...


We'll pray specifically concerning your dreams, Disciple.

Seth, you have been through so much lately, I think that's why your emotions are kindof haywire right now. We will keep lifting you up in prayer.

as~i~lay~dying
12-22-2005, 07:15 AM
Jessica, we're your family. So yes you can come to us.
thanks :)




I didn't mean my genetic family, I meant my brethren in Christ,
oh ok...thats awesome~

theelectric3
12-22-2005, 11:41 AM
tracy - thank you for those last couple posts, they were very helpful, i like what you have to say ;)

your welcome, i'm glad they were helpful for you. :)

i think just about everyone could be added to the list.

skynes
12-22-2005, 12:17 PM
i think just about everyone could be added to the list.


True, but it's nice to have a list at hand. This is also a list of everyone who knows about this and is praying about it.

So really it's kinda like a prayer web. Each person is praying for everyone else on the list who in turn is praying for everyone else. So for one person, they have a dozen people praying for them and they are praying for a dozen.

drumchick101
12-22-2005, 01:01 PM
Wow, this is so awsome. You know, this is soposed to be how the body of Christ works. This is kind of like the epistles plus the internet & minus the letters...

I will be praying for everyone.
><sarah><

TheFireBreathes
12-22-2005, 01:13 PM
Wow. I really feel that all of this praying together is working. As Tracy stated in an above post, she said "it is not a sin to have the thought enter your mind - for the mind is the battlefeild. the sin comes in when you entertain the thought. dwell on it."

I feel that with Him on my said I can force it out much easier than before. Thanks everyone.

theelectric3
12-22-2005, 01:20 PM
True, but it's nice to have a list at hand. This is also a list of everyone who knows about this and is praying about it.

So really it's kinda like a prayer web. Each person is praying for everyone else on the list who in turn is praying for everyone else. So for one person, they have a dozen people praying for them and they are praying for a dozen.

oh yes, i understand. i was simply making a comment... but not at all coming against this idea. i think it's great. so many people today struggle with lust (since it has been embraced in our soceity as normal... sad to say).

you can add me on the list Scott. :)

disciple
12-22-2005, 03:08 PM
I know this will sound weird, but please pray that I can get a good sleep schedule down. I find that my mind cannot fight lust as well when it is run down and tired. Now, imagine going with only a couple hours of sleep for two days and you'll have me.

If I can't get a good sleep schedule down where I can sleep well, it'll be hard for me to do anything, let alone fight lust.

alorian
12-22-2005, 04:24 PM
Add Tiffany to this list. panhead_91

alorian
12-22-2005, 11:11 PM
CRAP it wants to win. Guess where I'm going? I'll give you a hint, my knees will be scarred.

lamb_servant72
12-23-2005, 01:49 AM
That doesn't sound weird, Disciple, in fact, it helps me understand a little more why I so easily slipped yesterday.

Stressors at work have caused me to lose alot of sleep. I probably got about three hours of sleep Tuesday and Wednesday nights. I wake up worried about work. I was not doing a good job giving it to Him.

I mentioned earlier on this thread that I felt like by me worrying about work, I was taking my focus off of Him. By entertaining negative thoughts, it allowed lustful dreams and thoughts to slip in.

The lack of sleep added to that brought me down.

On a side note, I know of people who think this will go away when they get married, and look forward to getting married for the purpose of fighting lust. Wrong. I think Satan would like for us to think that way, then he can hurt two people.

skynes
12-23-2005, 08:02 AM
oh yes, i understand. i was simply making a comment... but not at all coming against this idea.

I know :) Just being clear.

I know this will sound weird, but please pray that I can get a good sleep schedule down.

No prayer request is weird. God treasures our prayers, ALL of them.
I pray that buses are on time and I find my lost GBA games... so good sleep is more normal to me :P

Guess where I'm going? I'll give you a hint, my knees will be scarred.

See? The plan is working.


Lack of sleep makes you weaker to ANY kind of attack, not just lust, though it loves to take advantage of it.


I've moved the list to the bottom of my First Post. This way it's easily accesible both to me and to future readers who'll start at Page 1.

drumchick101
12-23-2005, 10:43 AM
Lack of sleep makes you weaker to ANY kind of attack, not just lust, though it loves to take advantage of it.

Ya, I struggle with lust, but pride is my biggie. The other day I wanted to slam my head in a toilet to punish myself, I'm a jerk sometimes. But yes, seth, my knees will be scarred as well. It's the family trademark ;)

><sarah><

panhead_91
12-23-2005, 02:49 PM
Hey guys i need some prayer right now I am strugling wit lust......and it really wants to win

theelectric3
12-23-2005, 03:01 PM
On a side note, I know of people who think this will go away when they get married, and look forward to getting married for the purpose of fighting lust. Wrong. I think Satan would like for us to think that way, then he can hurt two people.


thanks for bringing that up. much appreciated.

disciple
12-23-2005, 03:30 PM
I pray that buses are on time and I find my lost GBA games... so good sleep is more normal to me :P LOL! I almost never pray about video games... it makes me feel selfish. :P

Lack of sleep makes you weaker to ANY kind of attack, not just lust, though it loves to take advantage of it.
Oh, I know, I was just being topical. (Is that the right word? My brain is rebooting...) Anger, frustration, things like that are secondary problems to me when I am tired (which is obvious and logical). It's mostly self-loathing that triggers it, but sometimes it can come in at random intervals.

I've moved the list to the bottom of my First Post. This way it's easily accesible both to me and to future readers who'll start at Page 1.
Thanks, that helps a lot. :)

skynes
12-24-2005, 09:38 AM
Can you imagine us in heaven? Discussing our battle wounds and we all show our scarred knees as we tell the little uns

"See 'is ere? Gat this back in 05 against a dern aul spirit named Lusht. Twas a fierce battle! Cuda gone aaaaany way, but we gangd up on it! all uv us! We pinned 'er dawn liek an aul dawg befar puttin 'er tae sleep Permanently."

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Here is what I have found helps, this takes time and it's hard to keep up, but once you get into a habit it really works.
I'm writing these in the order I think them, not a numbered list.

Major Mind Control. Be watchful of EVERY thought. If a violent thought comes into your head, kick it out. Lustful thought? Kick it out. Bitter thought? Kick it out.
Don't specify just lust for this, get rid of them all as best you can! They can all get in through doors made by other spirits. If you entertain anger, Pride can slip in with it too.

Rebuke them! Command the spirit in Jesus name to leave you! Christ gave us authority over demons. So rebuke it in Jesus name and command it to leave. Do this ALOUD, internal thoughts don't do nothing. You need to tell it DIRECTLY to go.

Affirm your stance. Say aloud where you stand, that you stand with Christ, that He has beaten sin and beaten death and He is protecting you now and no evil thing can touch you while you stand there.

Get others praying. We're already doing this, it's the point of the Lust Busters, to pray for each other daily. If you want get others in too. It's not limited to people on these boards

Get lust in the light. Lust is a spirit of darkness. While hidden in shadows it is invincible and untouchable. However once dragged into clear view by all, it's power drops 90%.

Pray, Pray and PRAY! The scarred knees is a funny way of putting it, but the meaning behind it is powerful. Pray is a great weapon.
The Bible says in Psalm 1 "But his delight is in the law of the Lord, And in His law he meditates day and night. 3 He shall be like a tree Planted by the rivers of water, That brings forth its fruit in its season, Whose leaf also shall not wither; And whatever he does shall prosper. "

My interpretation is thus:

If you want to beat Lust (leaf not withering + prospering)
You need to be praying and reading daily (planted in good soil by the rivers of water)

Trust me, praying and reading daily makes an enormous impact upon any Endevour you take up. Lust is a very very powerful spirit. I'd go so far as saying it's in a group of the most powerful in the world. If you aren't getting to God daily you are but a pebble in the path to it.

drumchick101
12-24-2005, 10:19 AM
Good stuff, thanks! You should put that in a book or something. You are a true blessing.

I like that picture of us that you painted. You know, whenever I thought about the body of Christ, I didn't really care. I didn't care because I didn't have anyone as a brother or a sister in Christ, I had dead-beat teenagers & adults with whom I didn't really relate to. It's awsome to finally be doing things the way they were meant to be. I found what I did kind of pointless because I was a kid and I'd wondered what it would be like to actually be the church instead of its heirs, its sons and daughters. I kind of said that before, but I wanted to say it again.

><sarah><

skynes
12-24-2005, 10:54 AM
You know how I visualise it?

As a group of knights in a circle backs to each other. Each of us watching the others back, each of us defending the others, not running off on our own, or running at all. Just standing side by side back to back prepared to face together whatever is thrown at us.

alorian
12-24-2005, 11:03 AM
Yeah I like that picture. I also like the one you painted about us telling the young uns about our battle wounds etc

TheFireBreathes
12-24-2005, 12:11 PM
Yeah I like that picture. I also like the one you painted about us telling the young uns about our battle wounds etc

Like knights of the round table :)

disciple
12-24-2005, 12:18 PM
"AYE! Got this back in 'Nam..." ;)


I need to get control of my dreams. They aren't the root of the problem, they are symbolic of the problem within me that climax when I sleep. It may be that the stress of Christmas shopping yesterday determined my dreams last night, but I can't just blame it on that.

alorian
12-24-2005, 12:59 PM
I'm praying for you guys, I really am :)

as~i~lay~dying
12-24-2005, 04:33 PM
Please add me in too! I just read all this stuff...and could really use help in this area as well! And I will be praying for you guys too!

skynes
12-25-2005, 02:36 AM
Disciple - Aren't dreams just an extension of your thoughts? They're the fruit of your thoughts, cutting off fruit doesn't kill the tree.

Kill the root. The conscious thoughts and the dreams should stop too.

Jessica - You're added :)

disciple
12-25-2005, 02:59 PM
That's exactly what I was saying, Scottie of B'fast, sorry if I didn't make any sense. :P

God gave me the best Christmas present today. In prayer, He moved me to do some editing on my novel, and when I was working on it, I felt this great feeling, something I haven't really felt in at least three months: joy. I was happy, and I felt closer to God, and I felt like I was on the right track, something I haven't felt in more than three months.

Today is probably the best Christmas I have had in years...

panhead_91
12-25-2005, 04:49 PM
Today is probably the best Christmas I have had in years...
Thats awesome!!!! Wish I could say the same.....o well

alorian
12-25-2005, 09:01 PM
Everyday I see how much more widespread this is. It's reached my best of friends, closest of family. Sigh. It is beatable. We ALL need to be praying, though. Get each others' backs, watch out for one another, on top of our selves. We can do this. God can do this. We'll make it through, we will win. Do not lose hope, do not despair. In your darkest hour God is there. Lift up your voices, crying in pain. He shall deliver, you to free reign. We are already free, just open your eyes. Just come to believe, in truth, not lustly lies.

Yeah, sudden poem. God has put this on my heart, I'm in deep prayer over this. Lust must be beaten out of our lives, with the biggest stick we can find. I hope you guys are as well.

TheFireBreathes
12-25-2005, 09:24 PM
This is a cool verse that came to mind when I was reading Seths post above.

Stay sober and stay awake [on guard]. Our adversary the devil roams about like a roaring lion, looking for someone he can devour. Resist him, strong in your faith, remembering that your fellow believers in this world are undergoing the exact same sort of suffering [that you are]. 1st Peter 5:8-9

as~i~lay~dying
12-26-2005, 01:06 PM
^ very awesome verse....well I have all your names on a list on my wall...I am praying for each one of you. I can tell you guys have been praying too, because the other day I was soo tempted to entertain lustful thoughts in my head. But I stopped and could feel God helping me...so thanks!

Aragornsgirl217
12-26-2005, 03:26 PM
"AYE! Got this back in 'Nam..." ;)


I need to get control of my dreams. They aren't the root of the problem, they are symbolic of the problem within me that climax when I sleep. It may be that the stress of Christmas shopping yesterday determined my dreams last night, but I can't just blame it on that.

Last night I had my first "lust/sex" dream. Ever. I was scared to death. I prayed and prayed and prayed.

I'm praying for us all.

disciple
12-26-2005, 03:28 PM
That's a good reaction to have, honestly. I wish I could have that reaction. ::]

PinkGoo
12-26-2005, 03:42 PM
Everyday I see how much more widespread this is. It's reached my best of friends, closest of family.

Wow, I recently found out that it reached someone I never thought it could... my friend took action on his lustful thoughts. So sad. So wrong. I feel sorry for the victims of his lust. Wow.

drumchick101
12-26-2005, 05:28 PM
Last night I had my first "lust/sex" dream. Ever. I was scared to death. I prayed and prayed and prayed.

I'm praying for us all.

Ya, I've had two I think, it's awful. I actually forgot about them until just now. I remember franticly seaching through my life to see if I had done something horribly wrong. I couldn't understand where it came from.

I think it's because you have been praying against it. This won't go down without a fight and it is trying to weaken you or throw you off. Satan knows you are a girl and when things like this happen we start thinking about everything and our brins go in circles. That gives him an opportunity to futher enter our thoughts. Take it as nothing more than a futher reason to pray all the harder.

><sarah><

lamb_servant72
12-27-2005, 01:26 AM
Ya, I've had two I think, it's awful. I actually forgot about them until just now. I remember franticly seaching through my life to see if I had done something horribly wrong. I couldn't understand where it came from.

I had three horrible dreams, three nights in a row. They all had to do with child lust/pornography. I was praying against them, and shared with a friend what was going on. She told me I was being attacked by a spirit of lust and I needed to rebuke it.

What was actually happening, and I understood at the end of day four, was that they were warning dreams concerning what someone else was involved in. On day four, it was exposed.

I had been praying for it to be exposed in this persons life, because I knew something was going on (although I didn't know what "it" was until day four). God had even shown me the demon wrapped around this persons mind.

I think it's because you have been praying against it. This won't go down without a fight and it is trying to weaken you or throw you off. Take it as nothing more than a futher reason to pray all the harder.

><sarah><

I agree! My dreams/thoughts started giving me trouble again after I started praying for everyone else on this!! But, I can tell others are praying for me...yesterday I had a fleeting thought that I had no desire to entertain. Cool!

whereami
12-27-2005, 11:23 AM
hey guys, i havnt been to this thread in a while and im regretting it.
i feel like some kind of toy with a realy short battery life: everytime i read through the testimonies and encouragement on this thread, or have a really nice prayer time, i get spiritualy "recharged". then the moment i step away, back into my normal life, i quickly lose my motivation again and later in the day i feel completely drained of any of the determination i had earlyer.

this is the same point i've been at countless times, and ive never made it past here. normally, here is where i say "darn, thats another failed attempt"

this time though, i know that i'm representing more than just myself, i know that i'm a part of the body of christ and specifically a part of this amazing group of people who are all praying for me.

this time i will keep going, i'm going to try "recharging" more often, im going to stretch the limits of how long i can retain my motivation. and i'm going to keep trying untill i feel God making progress in my life.

i'll try to pray for yall more often, because i know how much it helps to have yall praying for me.

lamb_servant72
12-27-2005, 11:39 AM
You're honesty on this thread has been refreashing.

I think everyone at some point has gone through that...determined not to make the same mistakes, then falling back into those patterns, feeling guilty... Satan would love to make you wonder, "Why even bother trying?"

nsvol
12-27-2005, 11:55 AM
hey this thread is great! but seriously i have problems. like lately i have looking @ stuff on the internet that i shouldnt be looking at. i need some serious help w/ that. & i'm cussing more than i have evern been. like i hvae been gettin ticked off more than ever. could you or someone pray for me? czu i need it bad. thanx

as~i~lay~dying
12-27-2005, 01:59 PM
wow...I'ts so cool how everyone is so honest! I will say a prayer for you daniel and william also I'm still praying for everyone on the list! =)

panhead_91
12-27-2005, 03:18 PM
Yeah it is!!! I am praying 4 u all also!!

Ming3r
12-27-2005, 03:26 PM
Add me too...I'm Ming.

I struggle with this all too much - like a lot of the time its just one of those times when I'm thinking that its not that bad, or I'll take care of my problem later...when I know that I need to just stop it now.

I guess I just suffer from what just about every guy does, but it needs to end.

disciple
12-27-2005, 04:19 PM
Hey, Ming3r, it's been a long time since I've seen you on here. :) I'm praying for everyone here on this.


Being honest and open is one of the biggest steps in this, and I am glad to see more and more people being honest. :)

bob
12-27-2005, 05:22 PM
Wow, I love honesty. :) I'm sort of speechless, but this is the sort of thing that can be accomplished through prayer, I love all of you guys. :)

nsvol
12-28-2005, 06:02 AM
thanx for your prayers. i still need them but i appreciate you guys & girls.

panhead_91
12-28-2005, 07:40 AM
No problem and I am still prayen!

nsvol
12-28-2005, 06:02 PM
sweet........i will be praying for everyone else too.

panhead_91
12-28-2005, 06:02 PM
Hey guys, God is so awesome My X-bf was at my house (I am still not exactly sure y and we were also home alone) and he was thinking lustfuly witch also made me wann thing that and man I can tell ur prayers r helping b/c I told him to wach tv in the Liveing room well i went in my room and prayed and i dont know after when he would say somthing that would make me wann think wrong thoughts I would draw the line and tell him exactly what I thought about it it waz so awesome!!!!!!

as~i~lay~dying
12-28-2005, 06:30 PM
that's soo awesome girl! I'm proud of you! =)

drumchick101
12-29-2005, 01:05 PM
Hey, take a look at the thread "addicted to porn" and pray for that guy as well. :)

><sarah><

nsvol
12-30-2005, 05:20 AM
Hey guys, God is so awesome My X-bf was at my house (I am still not exactly sure y and we were also home alone) and he was thinking lustfuly witch also made me wann thing that and man I can tell ur prayers r helping b/c I told him to wach tv in the Liveing room well i went in my room and prayed and i dont know after when he would say somthing that would make me wann think wrong thoughts I would draw the line and tell him exactly what I thought about it it waz so awesome!!!!!!

hey thats great! keep it up!

skynes
12-30-2005, 05:29 AM
I could use some prayer.
In the past week I've fallen on my face a few times.
Guilty thoughts I will not entertain however. I am not angry at myself, nor do I feel guilty.

Not that my screw up was right, but that this is war and sometimes you get hurt.
Afterward when I was praying (repenting) God led me to Psalm 37

Psalm 37: 24 "Though he fall, he shall not be utterly cast down; For the Lord upholds him with His hand."

I confess I haven't been in top spiritual shape recently. Prayers have been rushed, reading has been skimmed. I know I'm weak, so a rebuking session is out of the question right now. It would only make things worse.

5 weeks 1 day. New record for me :P


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You guys really have no idea the effect everyones honesty and perserverance has on me. My spirit wants to jump up and down, if it weren't confined to a physical body, it would be jumping!

Everyone's posts here is a great encouragement to me and it reaffirms continually my faith that this CAN be stopped and CAN be beaten.

Now where are my nutcrackers...

alorian
12-30-2005, 09:00 AM
*Applause*

We can do this. I know we can, I hold faith that we can.. and will! Don't neglect your prayers, reading, time with the holy spirit etc. We're being worn down, let God build us up!

panhead_91
12-30-2005, 09:08 AM
^Amen!!!! I agree Seth! :)

as~i~lay~dying
12-30-2005, 09:35 AM
You guys really have no idea the effect everyones honesty and perserverance has on me. My spirit wants to jump up and down, if it weren't confined to a physical body, it would be jumping!

Everyone's posts here is a great encouragement to me and it reaffirms continually my faith that this CAN be stopped and CAN be beaten.


Yeah same here. Because a lot of times I feel like I'm the only one messing up/like everyone else has it all together well obviously that's a lie~so thanks guys~ ;)


Psalm 37: 24 "Though he fall, he shall not be utterly cast down; For the Lord upholds him with His hand."

AWESOME verse! :D That's is very encouraging, and it's straight from the Lord so we can KNOW for sure that He won't abandon us becasuae we make mistakes~ I've been kind of messing up lately, not doing devos and other things and I keep wondering~am I still a christain, will God forgive me? So this verse was very perfect for me! :D

alorian
12-30-2005, 06:51 PM
Yeah same here. Because a lot of times I feel like I'm the only one messing up/like everyone else has it all together well obviously that's a lie~so thanks guys~ ;)




Yeah, one of the greatest weapons AGAINST us is our thinking we're alone. That's obviously not true. We've got to stand together, and together stand on God.

disciple
12-30-2005, 06:57 PM
I confess I haven't been in top spiritual shape recently. Prayers have been rushed, reading has been skimmed. I know I'm weak, so a rebuking session is out of the question right now. It would only make things worse.

That's where I'm at right now. I reached a new height in my relationship with Him, and then I went back to my old ways. I'll admit, my sleeping at bad times, my computer crashing, and our shortage of money does bog me down a little bit, but in no way can I blame it all on that. When I first became a Christian, I was in way worse than this, and my faith was startling.

My dreams go back and forth between the good (the way they should be) and the bad (playing the role of my polar-opposite spiritual self, I won't go into details) which, I guess, symbolizes my mind and soul.

alorian
12-30-2005, 07:00 PM
Dreams... I hate it when they're invaded like that. They're supposed to be good, pure, not twisted, perverted. Hmmm, not sure what else to say, really :-/

disciple
12-30-2005, 07:12 PM
Dreams... I hate it when they're invaded like that. They're supposed to be good, pure, not twisted, perverted. Hmmm, not sure what else to say, really :-/
Dreams are the products of the mind that create them.

alorian
12-30-2005, 09:57 PM
That scares me- change my life again..... Gotta change my mind-set

disciple
12-30-2005, 10:01 PM
Sometimes, though not often I suppose, the devil can influence your dreams greatly -- he did it a lot to me when I was a kid I suppose.

skynes
12-31-2005, 05:35 AM
Ahhhh my dreams have all been messed up too!

It's the cost of bearing one another's burdens. When you bear anothers burdens you need to suffer what they're suffering. I've been praying for everyone and their dreams so now MINE are being invaded!

All good signs though. If we aren't getting fired at, we're not doing a good job.

as~i~lay~dying
12-31-2005, 03:41 PM
Yes! That's usually a good sign if your being attacked. I'm still praying for you all!! stay strong!

disciple
12-31-2005, 05:35 PM
If we aren't getting fired at, we're not doing a good job.
True enough; better to be fought with because you're seen as the Hokuten than to get ignored because you're seen as cadets, eh, Scottie? ;) ::]

I need to recover some of my spiritual strength, so as a result I did some extra reading time in the Word and I found verses that spoke to me quite directly as soon as I opened the bible. I also spent some time in not-so-quiet meditation; that is, I spent some time deep in thought, and all this helped me some, but I need to keep my mind steady in order for it to really take effect. Which, I admit, I am not so commonly doing as of late. ::]

I'm gonna drop off a prayer for a family member in the prayer requests thread, I'd greatly appreciate it if all of you took a peek, at least.

Shadow-Phoenix
01-05-2006, 08:00 PM
Do me a favour you guys and pray for me. Standing in the gap hurts like hell and right now I feel like a skewered sardine over a spit. I'm getting knocked about quite badly and I can't stand alone.
Hey man It's ok to hurt for this, your cause is just. Rock on, and Count me IN. I will stand with you, and there will be no demons able to stand in the way of this, With God's help, we will prevail. Scott, you rock, I would never have had the guts to say what you said, nor take that position without knowing that someone would stan with me, Rock on man, and God Bless!!!

skynes
01-06-2006, 06:47 AM
Welcome to the battle, please, come in, wipe your feet on the evil spirit, hang up your coat, have a cookie.

On a normal day, I wouldn't have had the guts to say that. Publicising my struggle was a fear. Fear of discovery, rejection, disgust, etc.

But on that day I didn't care anymore, I was just sooo indignantly furious. Something had to be done about it.

kittygirl
01-06-2006, 07:03 AM
I am pissed off. I make no secret of it. I am really really annoyed.

But this is not the anger of the world. This is not an anger where I throw things around and swear a lot. This is a righteous fury against a demonic spirit.
This spirit is called Lust.

In the past 48 hours. I have learnt of two of my friends who have lost their virginity. (One is 'technically' still a virgin. But that's besides the point.)
That makes 4 this year, the other two, if you pushed it, can be classified as being raped by their boyfriends. They were either forced into it or manipulated into it.

Lust is something every human struggles with. For those that tell me you don't, quit your lying, it's pathetic and it insults my intelligence. Sooner you admit it the sooner you can ram your fist down its throat and tear out its windpipe.



Words cannot express the emotions I feel. I have never felt such passion or indignation before. Me, my friends and my loved ones are under this rotten things grasp! I have had enough. I am drawing the line NOW. I am readying myself for war, no prisoners will be taken, no questions will be asked, no mercy will be shown. I want this thing erradicated with extreme prejudice

However, I have seen first hand the effects of misplaced Passion and jumping in with both feet only to find you're standing above acid. I want to act now, but I won't. I am not the Lord of Battle. I am not the Lord of Hosts. I move when He says so and not before. I act in the way He commands and in no other.

Quite frankly, if I do this alone, it'll probably kill me in a true and literal sense. I need your help. Entering battle is dangerous, entering battle alone against such a powerful entity is suicide. Some kind of organisation is needed and major prayer coverage is required. So I'm asking your help. Pray with me and fight by my side.

I am praying for every one of you, for all my friends both on and offline. As many as I can name, if I don't know your name, then your screenname.



Enough is enough. This swine has crept into churches, snuck into relationships, reasoned its way into lives. All of the above it has destroyed. I think lust is almost as devious as the spirit of lies and deception. Which makes it a very dangerous foe.
It has destroyed too much and needs to be stopped. If it is removed from one persons life then that is a victory, a first step in it's true erradication

I am breaking every rule my nature has created in my 22 years of life by doing this. I am exposing myself to everyone now in asking for your help. I need prayer. This all needs prayer. Without prayer it will die. Please help.



The list of Lust-Busters *plays ghostbusters theme*

How this works: Daily pray for everyone on this list that they can focus upon God, control their thoughts and fight Lust.

If you want to join just let me know and I'll add your name.

The list:

Skynes - Scott
Weebird20 - Laura
TheFireBreathes - Brett
Disciple - You've never actually told me your name.
Alorian - Seth
Bob - James
Aragornsgirl217 - Nicole
PinkGoo - Liz
Unshakeable15 - Mike
Lamb_Servant72 - Lisa
WhereamI - William
NightCrawler - Jonathan
TheElectric3 - Tracy
Panhead_91 - Tiffany
as~i~lay~dying - Jessica
Ming3r - Ming
Shadow-Phoenix - Rob
More on this later, but definetly add me to your list.
This is ridiculous.

alorian
01-06-2006, 01:47 PM
I'm the the middle of a reprieve. I've got the feeling that I'll be trying to sustain after killing blows, though :-\

disciple
01-06-2006, 01:58 PM
That's the time when you put all your trust in God, mi amigo :) time for you to open up some scars on your knees :P

It's the perfect time to spend focused entirely on God in prayer.

heavenly_notion
01-06-2006, 09:17 PM
wow, it is crazy that I would find this thread today... I read the *entire* thing (yep, all nine pages) and really just want to say that I support each and every one of you in this. I feel the same way, that we need to band together and battle this, and it came upon me so strongly only two days ago. So thank-you so much Skynes for starting this up, and thank-you everyone for being so honest. I feel so strongly that we can do this. It'll take alot of work and dedication, but it's something that *needs* to be done. You can go ahead and put my name on that list.

panhead_91
01-07-2006, 05:00 AM
Hye guys i ahvent beed doing well with this at all....I have been entertaining lustful thoughts way to much and then when i go to bed i normly have wrong dreams :-\

pizza brain
01-08-2006, 09:09 PM
I'll be praying for all of you pleas pray for me to this is some thing that messes with me alot

For the ones who can't break the addictions and chains
You try to give up but your come back again
Just remember thaat your not alone in your shame
And your suffering

There is hope for the helpless
Rest for the weary
Love for the broken heart
There is garce and forgiveness
Mercy and healing
He'll meet you wherever you are
Cry out to Jesus
Cry out to Jesus - Tird Day

I thougt fit this thread

pizza brain
01-08-2006, 09:21 PM
Hye guys i ahvent beed doing well with this at all....I have been entertaining lustful thoughts way to much and then when i go to bed i normly have wrong dreams :-\
I've got your back be strong

panhead_91
01-09-2006, 12:57 PM
Thankz man

TheFireBreathes
01-09-2006, 02:26 PM
Pretty much every dream I have had in the past few weeks has been been full of wierd thoughts and scenarios. I have fought of entertaining thoughts during the day, but during the night, I have let my guard down and Satan is interfering with my dreams. Please keep me in your prayers and I will to you as well. Keep wearing the Armor of God!

as~i~lay~dying
01-09-2006, 04:11 PM
There is hope for the helpless
Rest for the weary
Love for the broken heart
There is garce and forgiveness
Mercy and healing
He'll meet you wherever you are
Cry out to Jesus
Cry out to Jesus - Tird Day

I thougt fit this thread
That song IS wonderful and encouraging! I pray for each one of you when I look at your names on my wall! Hang in there everyone! :)

NightCrawler
01-09-2006, 07:28 PM
Dreams... I hate it when they're invaded like that. They're supposed to be good, pure, not twisted, perverted. Hmmm, not sure what else to say, really :-/
Those happen to me all too often. I don't have dreams often, but when I do...
1) Seemingly symbolic, perhaps divine
2) Perverted and erotic
3) Nightmare

disciple
01-09-2006, 07:41 PM
Those happen to me all too often. I don't have dreams often, but when I do...
1) Seemingly symbolic, perhaps divine
2) Perverted and erotic
3) Nightmare
Add

4) Weird and/or nonsensical


And you have most mine :P

skynes
01-09-2006, 11:59 PM
You know I honestly think we're doing some damage here.

It seems all of us are trying to maintain control of our daytime thoughts, but when it comes to night time, our sleep is invaded by them. Probably on the hope that we'll dwell upon it during the day.

Your erotic dreams can be stopped. I suggest everyone pray before they go to bed that perverted dreams will NOT invade their mind and pray God's protection over their sleep.

alorian
01-10-2006, 03:14 AM
I haven't had a dream of that nature for quite some time :)

panhead_91
01-10-2006, 06:25 AM
I haven't had a dream of that nature for quite some time :)
thats good

disciple
01-10-2006, 12:19 PM
I haven't had a dream of that nature for quite some time :)
I'll be honest, neither have I. I stopped dwelling on such dreams a long time ago, so when they came again, I was indifferent -- I know why I was getting them and who was sending them.

I've been wiped clean (i.e., my mind has been cleared) recently, all so I can pray in earnest, which is something I like very much.

Aragornsgirl217
01-10-2006, 02:27 PM
I haven't had a dream of that nature for quite some time :)
How I wish I could say the same thing Seth.....I had another one last night. It scares me. :-\

alorian
01-10-2006, 02:27 PM
Hah. I brought it up. The enemy became aware. He invaded my dreams. I woke up by the grace of God before they went anywhere :)

alorian
01-10-2006, 02:28 PM
How I wish I could say the same thing Seth.....I had another one last night. It scares me. :-\

I'm more than doubling my prayer efforts for you. Watch your day-time thoughts - they have an impact on your night-time ones. Pray before you sleep.

Aragornsgirl217
01-10-2006, 02:37 PM
Hah. I brought it up. The enemy became aware. He invaded my dreams. I woke up by the grace of God before they went anywhere :)
God has been very good to me too. In the dream, I myself as a witness never actually saw it happening, but I got the picture that myself in the dream saw it(if that made any sense).


I'm more than doubling my prayer efforts for you. Watch your day-time thoughts - they have an impact on your night-time ones. Pray before you sleep.
Thank you. Last night, before I went to sleep, I did start thinking about it. I tried to get it out of my head by singing praise songs and thinking of other things not even remotely related to it. But it wouldn't go away. As a result, I had a dream about it all night long, even when I woke up and went back to sleep. Scary. Thank you so much. I'm praying for you all too.

Does anyone know the address to the verse that goes something along the lines of "And finally my brethren, in all that is pure, in all that is holy..........in these things focus your mind on"??? Or something along those lines.

Bassplayer
01-10-2006, 02:44 PM
Hey. Add me to the list. I need prayer as well. I've been strugling with Lust for a while now. I'm extremely fed up with it. I was exposed to porn at an early age and ever since have been fighting against Lust. I have been trying really hard the past year to battle against Lust and Sexual desires. I will pray for everyone else but now i admit that i need prayer as well. I've really been trying to focus on God more but i find that my thoughts are sometimes over-crowded with other things. This is something that i am truely ready to get rid of and cast out. I'm ready for battle.

alorian
01-10-2006, 02:51 PM
I'll write you into the list on my wall

Bassplayer
01-10-2006, 02:55 PM
thanks man. that means alot to me.

alorian
01-10-2006, 03:07 PM
My pleasure. We gotta watch for eachother here.

heavenly_notion
01-10-2006, 08:39 PM
I think it's so awesome that all of you are even taking this seriously and deciding to do something about it. It really takes strength and it's the first step in winning this battle. I can't really say I have a problem with lust (I'm more the kind of girl who's in love with love, which is really just as bad) but I see how it affects so many people. Soo I'll keep praying for you all!!

skynes
01-11-2006, 12:26 AM
22 people... woah.

Lots of people, means lots of prayers for everyone here, each extra person involved is an extra prayer for everyone else which boosts the whole greatly.

It's by standing together side by side that we will win. Alone we will be crushed.

weebird20
01-11-2006, 03:25 AM
Philippians 4:8 "Finally, brethren, whatever things are true, whatever things are noble, whatever things are just, whatever things are pure, whatever things are lovely, whatever things are of good report, if there is any virtue and if there is anything praiseworthyŚmeditate on these things."

there ya go Nicole...that is a great verse.....

im still praying for everyone here...its amazing to see how many people have opened up in this thread and have put themselves out there in the hopes that we can encourage one another and support one another.....God is doing GREAT things ;D

Aragornsgirl217
01-11-2006, 04:29 AM
Thanks so much Laura!!

Dustin-You're on my wall, along with everyone else, and that verse. :)

panhead_91
01-11-2006, 04:31 AM
Dustin~ your added to my wall list also ;)

frymeskillet
01-11-2006, 02:56 PM
hey, I already posted to this when it was on Myspace....but seriously, i will definitely pray for you, and i ask everyone to look at my thread for a prayer request on lust....thanks guys!

-Savannah-

skilletgirl
01-11-2006, 05:35 PM
girls struggle with lust too. Of all the sins a person could struggle with.. I am fully willing to admit Lust is the top one in my list I have a hard time with

disciple
01-11-2006, 07:30 PM
girls struggle with lust too. Of all the sins a person could struggle with.. I am fully willing to admit Lust is the top one in my list I have a hard time with
Trust me, I know girls struggle with lust, my older sister is a slave to it.


I'm having a weak day today. My spiritual strength and metnal stamina is out the window. Having a dream thrown into it was surely a pebble in the calm pond of my mind, and surely I am just fighting the ripples. The water will calm again.

skilletgirl
01-11-2006, 07:34 PM
I had a horrible time before i met my boyfriend, steven. Now my struggles are almost no-existant. However.. they creep up in our personal realstionship now and then and trys to make us fall...

so far we have not gone beyond a certain point.. and its been staying that way.. but I am praying it stays that way.. he is weaker than I am in some things and i am weaker in different areas.. so we both kind of balance each other out.. to hold each other up in the area the other one is more weak at...

skynes
01-12-2006, 12:53 AM
New names are added to the list.

Savannah - Where is your thread?

Disciple - Obvious suggestion, but spend more time in prayer.

Skilletgirl - Your problems decreased after getting a bf? That's unusual, I'd expect them to increase ten-fold. Do watch yourself carefully, it's very very easy for you to both slip up at the same time. I suggest (if you dont already) that you make a daily habit of reading and praying together.


To everyone - Memorise 2 Timothy 2:22. I find it useful to say aloud when temptations rear their ugly head. Even when it pops into my mind I find it difficult to fall into sin.

alorian
01-12-2006, 03:27 AM
It could be loyalty to her boyfriend that pushes that extra bit to not do it, but I could just be wrong and tired, after all, I just got up!

Good dreams :D

skilletgirl
01-12-2006, 07:19 PM
Skilletgirl - Your problems decreased after getting a bf? That's unusual, I'd expect them to increase ten-fold. Do watch yourself carefully, it's very very easy for you to both slip up at the same time. I suggest (if you dont already) that you make a daily habit of reading and praying together.

.


I know it sounds weird.
We do pray for each other too.
I was expecting us to have a hard time.. but i guess because we wanted to have a good relationship.. seems like all my old habits of letting pictures of things wander in my head decease.. why.. because i have someone i need to be loyal too. Therefore i have lost interest in lusting the way i did. The fact we both struggle in different ways with lust helps because one can help with one thing and the other helps in another.

Look.. trust me when i say were doing fine.. you have no reason to look at this odd. God is wonderful and really is working in our relationship

disciple
01-12-2006, 07:35 PM
I was the same way in my last relationship, which was why I was surprised when we broke up; I was under the delusion we were meant to be (didn't help she reassured me of that).

skilletgirl
01-12-2006, 07:42 PM
..okay.. why am i being told how I feel is untrue.. all i did was saying so far things are going great.. you guys are making me sound like I am being to easy on this..

You guys dunno what we have went through to make everything work.. were planning on getting married after i get out of college.. I think i know what I am talking about

disciple
01-12-2006, 08:03 PM
..okay.. why am i being told how I feel is untrue.. all i did was saying so far things are going great.. you guys are making me sound like I am being to easy on this..

You guys dunno what we have went through to make everything work.. were planning on getting married after i get out of college.. I think i know what I am talking about
No! I was just stating that mine was untrue, I'm sorry I wasn't clear, I had a lot going on at the moment and I left and came back in the middle of typing. :(

skynes
01-13-2006, 12:47 AM
Sorry, I didn't intend to sound like I didn't believe you, I do, I've just never heard of that happening before.

I had a horrible time before i met my boyfriend, steven. Now my struggles are almost no-existant.
You guys dunno what we have went through to make everything work..

Comparisson of these two - One seems to say "Once I got a bf, lust pretty much ceased"

The other says "We struggled ALOT to get where we are with it."

You didn't originally say you'd been through a lot to get there, it just seemed like it magically disappeared.
Now that you've said you've prayed for each other and fought a lot it makes more sense and isn't odd at all :)

lamb_servant72
01-13-2006, 03:40 AM
I know it sounds weird.
We do pray for each other too.
I was expecting us to have a hard time.. but i guess because we wanted to have a good relationship.. seems like all my old habits of letting pictures of things wander in my head decease.. why.. because i have someone i need to be loyal too. Therefore i have lost interest in lusting the way i did. The fact we both struggle in different ways with lust helps because one can help with one thing and the other helps in another.

Look.. trust me when i say were doing fine.. you have no reason to look at this odd. God is wonderful and really is working in our relationship

That is awsome!!

skilletgirl
01-15-2006, 03:32 PM
When I said struggled.. it wasn't with lust... lol!!! But yes.. thanks for hearing me out. I admit we had a hard time making sure we don't go beyond certain points.. but thankfully.. we never have.. and I doubt we will.. seems like everytime we had in the past began flirting with the line.. I got very convicted and nervous.. causing both of us to stop..

disciple
01-15-2006, 03:39 PM
That's awesome. :) I know of only few people who've managed to acheive that.

skilletgirl
01-15-2006, 04:25 PM
I just think i was prepared.. I know when I was younger if I got into a relationship like ours .. things would have crashed and burned

Legacy
01-15-2006, 05:21 PM
Skynes add me to the list lol...Lust is one of my biggest falling points


It's good to be in a place that is so uplifting.

Sully4Him
01-15-2006, 05:24 PM
Add me too... Just put my name as Sully lol

Lust is the main thing that affects my relationship with the Lord by far.

Bassplayer
01-15-2006, 07:06 PM
yup. i think that's one of the main thing that comes between youth and God. not just youth, but it seems that they're the main ones who are being attacked. Satan knows how strong and powerful our generation can be (and already is) he's trying to throw everything into our faces. Satan has had it out for our generation. i've seen it everywhere. look at all the youth suicides and deaths. Drugs, drinking, sex, partying, fights, and fun seems the only thing you hear about these days. yes you hear about some of the good things that go on, but watch the news for a week and count how many news stories about bad youth come up. Frankly, i'm getting sick of it. I know Lust is also one of the main problems in our generation. If we don't stop the ball here, it's going to keep rolling and consume our generation as well as the next. We to fight this thing here and now. We need to rebuke Satan. He has it out for us and i'm sick of it.

Here's a challenge: every morning when you wake up, and every night before you go to sleep, get on your knees and pray. Pray for your friends, family, leaders, and your generation. Pray for deliverance and mercy. We need those now more than ever. Pray against Lust, death, suicide, temptations, and anything else God lays on your heart. It's time for us to do battle. No one else can do it for us. Our generation is a generation of war. God has given us the tools and i think it's time to use them. So remember, pray every morning and every night for these things. And prepare yourself for the spiritual battle that's been knocking at our door since birth. Ask your friends to start praying as well. I'm going to start doing this tonight and i ask that you will too.

pizza brain
01-15-2006, 11:06 PM
I'll definetly try to remember to do that.

skynes
01-16-2006, 02:41 AM
Warg @ it all.

When I said struggled.. it wasn't with lust... lol!!! But yes.. thanks for hearing me out. I admit we had a hard time making sure we don't go beyond certain points.. but thankfully.. we never have.. and I doubt we will.. seems like everytime we had in the past began flirting with the line.. I got very convicted and nervous.. causing both of us to stop..

LOL! You came into a thread about Lust and said you greatly struggled when younger, lol, you see the assumption made now, heh.

Its good to know the limits and stick by them :)

nsvol
01-17-2006, 03:22 PM
yup. i think that's one of the main thing that comes between youth and God. not just youth, but it seems that they're the main ones who are being attacked. Satan knows how strong and powerful our generation can be (and already is) he's trying to throw everything into our faces. Satan has had it out for our generation. i've seen it everywhere. look at all the youth suicides and deaths. Drugs, drinking, sex, partying, fights, and fun seems the only thing you hear about these days. yes you hear about some of the good things that go on, but watch the news for a week and count how many news stories about bad youth come up. Frankly, i'm getting sick of it. I know Lust is also one of the main problems in our generation. If we don't stop the ball here, it's going to keep rolling and consume our generation as well as the next. We to fight this thing here and now. We need to rebuke Satan. He has it out for us and i'm sick of it.

Here's a challenge: every morning when you wake up, and every night before you go to sleep, get on your knees and pray. Pray for your friends, family, leaders, and your generation. Pray for deliverance and mercy. We need those now more than ever. Pray against Lust, death, suicide, temptations, and anything else God lays on your heart. It's time for us to do battle. No one else can do it for us. Our generation is a generation of war. God has given us the tools and i think it's time to use them. So remember, pray every morning and every night for these things. And prepare yourself for the spiritual battle that's been knocking at our door since birth. Ask your friends to start praying as well. I'm going to start doing this tonight and i ask that you will too.

dude that is great! i will try to do that.

alorian
01-17-2006, 06:52 PM
Maybe we should all say how we're doing with this.

weebird20
01-18-2006, 01:01 AM
Well i still find it tough...my praying is going good and i pray daily for myself and u guys...but it still creeps up on me sometimes...tho i feel less bad about it when it happens...in the sense that i don't beat myself up about it anymore....i just put extra prayer in and try to refocus my heart on God...Scott said that to really crushed the enemy u need to get close enough with ur Sword...so obviously ur gona take a few hits here and there....so i take comfort in that....not as an excuse but as a encouragement for myself when things dont go as they shud :)

wot about everyone else...how are u all coping?

skynes
01-18-2006, 01:56 AM
Quite terribly. My memory is failing me! I know how to fight temptation, I know how it beat it when it arises, but I never remember to do anything until after it would have helped!

I was praying last night for help in this and today on the bus. I'm striving today to 'bounce my eyes' cause:

No seeing it = No thoughts
No thoughts = No actions

...or close enough.

OTD
01-18-2006, 04:12 AM
Am there, fighting that also. I work out at a gym every day. I used to find my eyes and mind wandering constantly. What I found that helped was to pray on my way from work BEFORE I hit the gym. AND while I was there. I'll tell ya a secret. God made us to notice each other. There's nothing wrong with noticing a man or woman (depending on your gender). There's nothing wrong with admiring God's handywork. It's when we let the passing glance linger that we have problems, as you well recognize.

You can't actually fight temptation. You CAN run from it, hide behind the robes of the Christ. Fight the same way He did, throw scripture right back in evil's face. My conversation with temptation goes something like:

Jesus said in Matt. 5:27-28
27"You have heard that it was said, 'Do not commit adultery.'[e (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=47&chapter=5&version=31#fen-NIV-23262e)] 28But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out (look away..which you already know) and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. 30And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell."

So, Christ told me that to look and lust in my heart is adultery. He also told me to look away. God said Do not commit adultery. God told me "You should not covet your neighbors wife, manservent, maidservent, or anything that belongs to your neighbor. So, I'm not going to let my thoughts go there. I chose to follow my Saviour. GET OUT OF MY MIND"!!!! I am saved, go back where you belong.


I never have a problem looking away. EVER. It works every time. That being said, as you stated, sometimes we stumble and fall....realize after the fact. The thing to remember is you DID remember, you DID recognize sin for sin. It's a learning process. It's one of the toughest ones. Satan is taking something God created us to do and warping it to his perverse nature.

The key is to KEEP GOING, KEEP FIGHTING. You're on the right track. Stick to it.


Quite terribly. My memory is failing me! I know how to fight temptation, I know how it beat it when it arises, but I never remember to do anything until after it would have helped!

I was praying last night for help in this and today on the bus. I'm striving today to 'bounce my eyes' cause:

No seeing it = No thoughts
No thoughts = No actions

...or close enough.

skynes
01-18-2006, 04:20 AM
Temptation:

Fight, resist, run, nuke it, hide from it, beat it on the head with a big dirty stick...

You knew what I meant.

lamb_servant72
01-18-2006, 04:58 AM
Something that helps me stay focused on God at the gym is listening to Skillet while I workout;D.

Aragornsgirl217
01-18-2006, 05:03 AM
^hahahahaha.........
I've not had a dream or anything for a while, praise God.....

skynes
01-18-2006, 05:05 AM
Lack of dreams is very good. I haven't had many myself for a while either. Suppose I don't really need them... It's in my conscious thoughts enough dimmit...

Bassplayer
01-18-2006, 05:45 AM
Temptation:

Fight, resist, run, nuke it, hide from it, beat it on the head with a big dirty stick...

You knew what I meant.
lol. i think the proper term is "Beat it over the head with an Ugly-Stick" just in case anyone wonders. lol. everything else sound about right though. ;)

skynes
01-18-2006, 05:53 AM
I want to work with Laura on a pic.
A manga style Jesus swinging a crucifix like a club and bashing Satans head.

Catchphrase - Jesus beat the devil with a big dirty stick.

Bassplayer
01-18-2006, 05:59 AM
nice. i buy a copy. lol (it's actually an ugly-stick)

OTD
01-18-2006, 07:16 AM
Yep. I just made an mp3 cd with about 50 songs on it....christian X 2004, 2005, and a whooooooole host of others.

Something that helps me stay focused on God at the gym is listening to Skillet while I workout;D.

OTD
01-18-2006, 07:21 AM
One of they guys on a hockey team I coached used the term..."Opening a can of BUTT WHOOP". seems quite appropriate....

Temptation:

Fight, resist, run, nuke it, hide from it, beat it on the head with a big dirty stick...

You knew what I meant.

skynes
01-18-2006, 10:25 AM
Just can? Scott... I intend to open a whole damned crate!

OTD
01-18-2006, 11:08 AM
Amen to that.....I always told them that if they worked together, they'd open a whole pallet...which they did several times. Personally, I try to open every bloody can on earth.....There's no such thing as overkill in spiritual warfare. Why throw a grenade when you can empty an entire rocket launcher. ;D

disciple
01-18-2006, 11:24 AM
All of this explosive manner of speech is making me wanna frag someone. ;D *turns to his left and fiddles with SOCOM 3*


My waking thoughts will occasionally dim and darken here and there, but I don't let thoughts linger long (I usually don't count how many seconds they stay, for forgiving me for being general ::]) and my dreams don't often head down that wrong path, so I'm doing OK, especially when I get good sleep. :)

Bassplayer
01-18-2006, 01:57 PM
again, why frag it or open up a crate when you can just unleash a nuclear fall-out? that's what i'd do. (i need to go play some Halo. i'm wantin' some explosions and crap)lol

lamb_servant72
01-18-2006, 02:29 PM
I'm doing good. No bad dreams, no trouble not entertaining thoughts,

Thank You God!!

weebird20
01-18-2006, 02:35 PM
Amen to that.....I always told them that if they worked together, they'd open a whole pallet...which they did several times. Personally, I try to open every bloody can on earth.....There's no such thing as overkill in spiritual warfare. Why throw a grenade when you can empty an entire rocket launcher. ;D



ooo another scott...this cud be confusing :P lol....but scott no.2 i like the way u think...yip indeedy ;D that last part is amazing....rocket launchers RULE!!!!

lamb_servant72
01-18-2006, 02:42 PM
Hhmmm..."Scott no 2"...

I was calling him "New Scott" in my mind.

However, upon further consideration, I suppose Skynes would prefer to be "Scott no 1" than "Old Scott"!;D

skynes
01-19-2006, 01:04 AM
Especially considering new Scott is twice my age... I don't think Old Scott will work, lol.

I managed to go through yesterday prayerfully and eye-bouncingly. Hope for even better today.

OTD
01-19-2006, 09:19 AM
:DROTFLOL....oh my...that was a laugh I desparately needed...I'll be Scott2. Be careful skynes....I tend to go more by mental age....that statement would make you between 10 and 11. LOL...

Hey Lisa....ain't no such thing as old....the Scott-correct term is "less young"...

Especially considering new Scott is twice my age... I don't think Old Scott will work, lol.

I managed to go through yesterday prayerfully and eye-bouncingly. Hope for even better today.

skynes
01-19-2006, 12:21 PM
Between 10 and 11? Lol. I rival most 40 yr olds heh heh.

So far today is another lust-free eye-bouncingly goodness. Long may it continue.

disciple
01-19-2006, 03:38 PM
I guess my day has been and is going to be fine in this area today, but as far as anger and frustration, I see some of that inbound. I shouldn't have stayed up so late last night. ::]

drumchick101
01-19-2006, 04:20 PM
Wow, it is so encouraging to see that many of you are doing well. This thread seems slightly light hearted.

><sarah><

skynes
01-20-2006, 12:41 AM
Better light hearted than depressing eh?

Had some thought issues last night, but I dealt with it. I'm still going

alorian
01-20-2006, 05:01 AM
It's been really rough on me lately. I'm being battered, shaken, torn, beaten, and whatever other verb you can think of to this effect. Ultimately, God has held me up. I've taken it all up to God when it comes about, and he's helped me through it, thankfully, so I have not succumbed to its hollowness recently.

as~i~lay~dying
01-20-2006, 07:22 AM
I've taken it all up to God when it comes about, and he's helped me through it, thankfully, so I have not succumbed to its hollowness recently.
That's great~ that is such a wonderful thing to learn how to do (give it up to God) I'm still in the process of learning it but.... :-\

disciple
01-20-2006, 11:11 AM
My problems with lust have been lessening, despite endless temptations trying to make their way into my mind. Despite being spiritually weak and tired, I'm not doing too bad in this fight.

as~i~lay~dying
01-20-2006, 01:58 PM
awesome! I love hearing of victories! =)

Aragornsgirl217
01-21-2006, 01:53 PM
Grrr...I nearly fell. I started too, but I caught myself.....but I still kick myself for letting my guard down for one little minute. GRRRRR.....

disciple
01-21-2006, 05:16 PM
Now I know why.


Satan has been sneaking up on me, trying to get me where he knows he could do some long-term damage -- depression. He tried to make me feel really down on myself (as usual, by making me dwell on the truth about myself) but I saw it coming when I caught myself thinking what I was thinking and I focused on God and it went away as I fell asleep.

I think he's gonna try this angle for a little while again.

drumchick101
01-21-2006, 08:08 PM
(as usual, by making me dwell on the truth about myself)

Satan make you dwell on truth?? Ha ha, he just wants you to think it's truth. You are in Christ and the Bible has TONS to say about who you are in Christ.

Romans 3:22-24:
This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference,23for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.

1 peter 2:9:
But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people belonging to God, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light.

Forgive me for only giving you two. There's tons more that I don't have time to find right now.

But I say this because I want to urge you to ask God to show you who you are in Christ, the real truth, nothing but the truth, so help you God. Satan will have to repeat that phrase on judgement day when he testifies against you, and so help him God because every word of it will be a lie and he'll need the help that God will obviously not give him.

I wasn't always like this. I didn't always look, act, feel, and be the way I am now. I hated myself and I felt like I would never belong anywhere. God went to extensive measures to show me otherwise. Perhaps satan is attacking you with depression because God is/is going to show you more about your value to and throught Him. Exept He won't show you in your head, but He'll touch your heart and change it.

Forgive me, this has nothing to do with lust, but I always find Andrew a noble cause to encourage...

><sarah><

unshakeable15
01-21-2006, 10:08 PM
It's been really rough on me lately. I'm being battered, shaken, torn, beaten, and whatever other verb you can think of to this effect. Ultimately, God has held me up. I've taken it all up to God when it comes about, and he's helped me through it, thankfully, so I have not succumbed to its hollowness recently.
i think about in the same place as pink Alorian here. it's not exactly a fun place to be. it's like trying to run a marathon with shoes untied. you get so far, then smash goes your face into the ground again.

it really hurts.

Aragornsgirl217
01-22-2006, 11:40 AM
does anyone besides me get these stupid little "realsex" pop-ups that I've been getting lately, and no pop-up blocker or firewall can stop it???? I just got one again, and I hate it. I hate how Satan has taken a good thing, and displayed it for innocent little 9, 10, 11, 12 year olds to see. I'm constantly afraid that my sister will be on here and see it, and not know wat it is and watch it, and be scarred for life! Not to mention scared....GRRRR.....

panhead_91
01-22-2006, 12:27 PM
does anyone besides me get these stupid little "realsex" pop-ups that I've been getting lately, and no pop-up blocker or firewall can stop it???? I just got one again, and I hate it. I hate how Satan has taken a good thing, and displayed it for innocent little 9, 10, 11, 12 year olds to see. I'm constantly afraid that my sister will be on here and see it, and not know wat it is and watch it, and be scarred for life! Not to mention scared....GRRRR.....
Yeah i get them all the time.......its so anoying b/c I am all ways afraid that my nephew will see it! Its soooo crazy

unshakeable15
01-22-2006, 02:23 PM
try Firefox (www.getfirefox.com). :) it's like a fortified castle when it comes to pop-ups. :) one or two occasionally make it through, but nothing compared to Internet Explorer, Netscape or AOL's browser.

alorian
01-22-2006, 03:07 PM
I'm praying for you all. It seems we're all making head-way, so let's keep up on it! Take everything you have and give it up to God, trust him to take care of all of it. When you have a thought, pray to God about it, and ask him to help you. This has helped me so much recently, and, because of God's grace through this, I've stood strong and firm, and notions stop before they are even thoughts! Thank God! Praise God!

disciple
01-22-2006, 03:31 PM
Also, do a search for SpyBot. It does wonders with SpyWare and AdWare, which can cause random popups of that nature. Also, some places on the Internet just have those kinds of popups.

Also, Yahoo! Toolbar has a Popup-Blocker that works VERY well. All you have to do is visit the sites you wanna keep the popups for (like Panheads.org, because it blocks any new windows being opened from inside a browser) and add them to the allowed ("safe") list.

Satan make you dwell on truth?? Ha ha, he just wants you to think it's truth.
Just trust me when I say what starts those thoughts is true. What he does from there is deceit, I know, but even thinking about my failures gets that started.

drumchick101
01-22-2006, 06:13 PM
Just trust me when I say what starts those thoughts is true. What he does from there is deceit, I know, but even thinking about my failures gets that started.
Ya, that's tough...however, The other day I found this scripture and found it worthy of underlining, now perhaps I know why.
No, dear brothers and sisters, I am still not all I should be, but I am focusing all my energies on this one thing: Forgetting the past and looking forward to what lies ahead, (Philippians 3:13[NLT])
Failures are past. Even if they are a daily struggle, that it all part of looking forward to what lies ahead. There is none of us here without daily struggles.

Also, take another look at that scripture on grace from the last page I put there. (If you want more..I've got 'em 8)) GRACE my freind, GRACE. If God doesn't remember your failures, then you don't have to either. Even though what satan says is true, it is a lie that you have to be plauged with it.
So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed. (John 8:36 [ESV])
><sarah><

skynes
01-23-2006, 12:17 AM
I recommend the Microsoft Anti-spyware (Beta). Yeah I know it's Microsoft but they didn't actually make it, they just bought out the company that did and slapped an MS logo on it, so don't feel bad :)

I find the MS one is actually better than Adaware and Spybot combined, since this one can access Registry keys and Startup settings that the others can't.

amodman
01-23-2006, 12:38 AM
does anyone besides me get these stupid little "realsex" pop-ups that I've been getting lately, and no pop-up blocker or firewall can stop it???? I just got one again, and I hate it. I hate how Satan has taken a good thing, and displayed it for innocent little 9, 10, 11, 12 year olds to see. I'm constantly afraid that my sister will be on here and see it, and not know wat it is and watch it, and be scarred for life! Not to mention scared....GRRRR.....

Well, I randomly clicked this thread for no apparent reason and saw the tangent! On topic, ya, lust, been strugglin' with it forever. Gone? Nope. Headway? Sure. Moving on...

Regular pop-ups = bad site or Spyware/Virus.

Step 1. Get Spybot, Ad-Aware, and (possibly) Microsoft Anti-Spy. Also, get an Anti-Virus. AVG's got some decent free ones.

Step 2. Update Definition files of all these new (or already had) programs (might not have this option with some free versions of programs).

Step 3. Restart your computer and head into Safe Mode. To do thise, hit F8 when the very first screen with text appears. You've got to get it before windows starts loading. Then you select Safe Mode.

Step 4. Run full scans with all those programs in Safe Mode and delete EVERYTHING. Hopefully you will be able to delete it all in Safe Mode, but since Safe Mode isn't as 'Safe' as it's cracked up to be, you might not ;). If necessary, hit yes to scan again on re-boot with the Anti-Spy programs.

Step 5. Hopefully enjoy your new pop-up free PC (more solutions will get too complicated for this post, hah, get a techie friend to look at it if you need more help). I use explorer and only occasionally get pop-ups (from certain websites) because I have no spyware and viruses. I don't believe in pop-up blockers. If I'm getting them, than something's wrong...

disciple
01-24-2006, 09:08 PM
Sarah, I'll admit that your words have encouraged me a sum. It's a nice change. :)


But, lately, I don't know how I've been feeling. Even in general. I've just been neutral. I don't know what's going on with me, why I end up feeling so empty from time to time, but I hope it goes away. When I am not talking to someone, not doing anything (with or without music) I just feel empty and emotionless. It makes me wonder. I don't even know what to say.

I do know that Satan has tried to attack me from time to time, even when I try to help people. Thus, I have left helping people to others (who are more than qualified in helping them) so that I don't screw up and do something bad like the worm wants me to do.

I get this feeling that my brain is hiding emotions from me. I know that makes no sense. But all day I can feel nothing at all and then when I go to sleep and dream my mind is throwing all this stuff at me. Usually it's the common crazy dremas which make no sense, sometimes they're recurring nightmares, or dreams I remember having years ago. While I am awake, I can say, believe, and know one thing, and then be the complete opposite in dreams. For example, I know in every way that even considering a relationship is foolish (like anyone would take me anyways), and yet my brain, in its sleep, is convinced I need one.

I bother me. ::]

skynes
01-25-2006, 12:39 AM
Enter the freakiness of the human mind Disciple...
All of us are like that sometimes.

Question: You say you're emotionless right now, is that a bad thing?

Bassplayer
01-25-2006, 05:49 AM
Hey Disciple, i kinda know what you mean. I be perfectly fine and happy one day, everything going good and then i'll have maybe one dream (if that) and the next day i'm wortheless. i still feel emotion, but it's not very strong. all i feel is that i'm sick of myself. And i think my brain is convinced that i need a gf. i know that i don't, but in my dreams and stuff i am consistantly bombarded with dreams about having a gf or getting married. it's crazy.

disciple
01-25-2006, 03:32 PM
No, I mean I'm just like this, and my dreams are a sign that something is up with me. The dreams did nothing to me.

Question: You say you're emotionless right now, is that a bad thing?
It's numbness that concerns me, not feeling anything. It reminds me of how I was a year ago. It's like communication bewteen my heart, mind, and soul has been cut (I know that makes little sense) and each part of me is struggling to get along alone, knowing that I can only survive as one, as a whole person. My mind is longing, my heart feels confused because of it, and my soul is weakened as a result.

The only feeling I have right now is this longing to have a vaguely exciting lifestyle, one where I can put to rest my over-analyzing ways of being overly-cautious. One I can have the time to spend with friends, have fun like most people do.

Forgive me, this has nothing to do with lust, but I always find Andrew a noble cause to encourage... I still don't get that, but I an na´ve, after all. ::]

pizza brain
01-28-2006, 12:34 PM
I've been having a really bad time with this latley it's driving me nuts.

disciple
01-28-2006, 12:45 PM
I'm still praying. :)


I'm ashamed to admit that my numbness has been replaced by this on/off switch, where I bounce back and forth between being lonely/longing and knowing it's ridiculous and that I don't need such things. I'm having to force this out, 'cause my brain is telling me not to post it. ::] It's come to the point where I've hit a brick wall in my brain trying to put it into words. ::]

lamb_servant72
01-28-2006, 03:14 PM
I'm struggling. Satan really knows how to pull strings and make it all come together at the right time, doesn't he?

Disciple, it seems to me you have been at a plateau for awhile. Do you think it would help if you put everything you can aside for a few days and focus solely on Him?

disciple
01-28-2006, 03:15 PM
Yeah, he does. He's good at it... TOO good at it...

drumchick101
01-28-2006, 03:18 PM
OR he just makes it seem like he can. we already hove the victory if we can only hang on, don't lose tenacity. We have already won. I am praying for all of you guys.

><sarah><

Pretendeavor
01-28-2006, 03:36 PM
i wanna say i strugel greatly in this catgory of sin and so yeah.

disciple
01-28-2006, 04:42 PM
I'll be praying... most certainly. :)

heavenly_notion
01-28-2006, 08:33 PM
hey just want to let u guys know i'm still praying!

panhead_91
01-29-2006, 05:37 AM
hey guys I have been strugling bad right now with this.......... :-\

Bassplayer
01-29-2006, 06:44 AM
we'll add you to our list.

lamb_servant72
01-29-2006, 07:07 AM
OR he just makes it seem like he can. we already hove the victory if we can only hang on, don't lose tenacity. We have already won. I am praying for all of you guys.

><sarah>< Thanks, Sarah. But, I was being specific.

For example, if you broke up with a guy you dated for a year that was alot of fun (and really hot) because you knew it wasn't God's will.

Then, over a year later, after you think your over him, you start dreaming about him, hearing songs everyday that remind of him, and your at a place (because the person you are supposed to be with is having to work two jobs, and doesn't have time to do anything with you) where you are kindof bored and miss the fun stuff (he liked outdoor things like you...always camping, fishing, hiking, etc.), so you are tempted to think about him.

You're trying really hard to fight it, then, his mother (who lives in a different town, and you haven't seen her in a year) shows up on your doorstep with a birthday card for you.

Sweet, but right when you were thinking about how the guy you are supposed to be with's family just saw you today and didn't give you a card, or say anything about your birthday.

I say Satan's pretty manipulative. But, we already knew that didn't we?

drumchick101
01-29-2006, 06:18 PM
Well, that just brings up my docterate-worthy, incredibly technical theory...

satan is a poophead.

I will pray for you and since I know the basic situation, I can get down and dirty with it. Doesn't satan know we are in numbers yet??

I am also praying for all of you.

><sarah><

skynes
01-30-2006, 12:19 AM
Yes he does know we are in numbers, hence the vast amount of bickerings going on... When Christians unite, Satan causes them to dis-unite.

Oh and Sarah, I'd be careful with insulting Satan if I were you... Jude says that not even the Archangel Michael would insult him.

lamb_servant72
01-30-2006, 06:46 AM
Thank you for your prayers, Sarah.

I had a dream last night that at face value would be classified as "lustful". I realized this morning as I thought about it instead of "praying it away" that this is a reoccuring dream for me.

If I gave the reoccuring dream a title, it would be, "I Can't Get No Satisfaction". But, I don't think it's really about the lust of the flesh. I think it has to do with my emotions. As I stated in the previous post, I've been feeling kindof lonely and neglected.

I have a hunch that a woman's desire for emotional satisfaction equals the intensity that a man desires physical satisfaction. I think women have emotional lust.

So, when I am not feeling like my emotional needs are being met, I am tempted to think of someone from my past that I chose to give up because it was not God's will. The reality is that person didn't meet my emotional needs, why am I tempted to think about that person?

I rebuke those thoughts and I pray God will show me healthy ways of dealing with those feelings.



Did I do something to allow Satan to weave all of the "circumstances" together (the ones I stated in my previous post). I believe it is because of unforgiveness. I have to continually make sure that I am not hiding unforgiveness in my heart in my relationship.

2 Cor 2:10 after encouraging the church at Corinth to forgive, Paul said, "In order that no advantage be taken of us by Satan; for we are not ignorant of his schemes."

I let unforgiveness and bitterness slip in, and suddenly Satan can convienently: tempt me with thoughts of someone else, have the radio stations play songs that remind me of that person, have me in places that remind me of that person, and have his mother show up at my house. I am not ignorant of his schemes.

I think this has something to do with the bickering on here. I pray we would all reach true forgiveness twards anyone who has hurt or irritated us. (I'm preaching to myself, I just had to stop and pray for God to help me truly love a few people on here that have "rubbed me the wrong way." Self-get over it, I'm allowing Satan to cause disunity.)



I mentioned somewhere that I broke my nose Tuesday night. I knew right when I did it that it was because I had allowed myself to slip and dwell on thoughts I shouldn't have. I hadn't shared that because it's one of those thoughts some would jump all over and tell me I'm wrong. I had planned to share it in pm's with those I trust, but here it is.

1 Cor 5:5 (Paul begins this chapter by rebuking immorality) "I have decided to deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of his flesh, that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus."

The word Paul used for destruction in this verse is oleqroB. It is actually a noun in Hebrew that is the condition of the flesh because of the ills and troubles by which the lusts of the flesh are subdued and destroyed.

skynes
01-30-2006, 07:00 AM
I have a hunch that a woman's desire for emotional satisfaction equals the intensity that a man desires physical satisfaction. I think women have emotional lust.

That isn't a hunch. It's right.

PinkGoo
01-30-2006, 09:50 AM
That isn't a hunch. It's right.
It's very true, but they struggle with physcial lust as well. Maybe not as much as males, but still, it's there and it's very strong.

weebird20
01-30-2006, 10:36 AM
that is very true....emotional lust...good way of putting it Lisa...though we struggle with both emotional and physical...the emotional part is stronger i think...the need to be loved...

Aragornsgirl217
01-30-2006, 11:18 AM
hey guys I have been strugling bad right now with this.......... :-\
I've been struggling too Tiff. Yesterday, Pastor was in the middle of preaching and Satan started attacking me with those thoughts. In the middle of church!!!!!! I was so angry!!!! I kept rebuking and rebuking, but the thoughts came on stronger and stronger......I was looking up Bible verses and everything. They finally went away::]

skynes
01-30-2006, 11:22 AM
May I point out to you all that a mental rebuke does precisely Zero.

Rebukes MUST, I repeat, MUST, be verbal and spoken for them to have any effect.

Aragornsgirl217
01-30-2006, 11:28 AM
^^hehe, which is prolly y they didn't go away.

lamb_servant72
01-30-2006, 11:33 AM
Did anyone else get this mental picture of Nickie yelling, "Satan, I rebuke you!" in the middle of church? Tee hee hee

skynes
01-30-2006, 12:07 PM
I could actually see that happening, lol.

Yeah Nickie that'd be why they didn't go. They can't read minds, so they don't have to obey anything thought.

PinkGoo
01-30-2006, 12:08 PM
If they can't read minds, why can they influence them?

skynes
01-30-2006, 12:13 PM
Placing thoughts in heads and reading thoughts are different.

To place a thought, all it takes is a whisper in your ear. Reading thoughts is impossible for all but God.

PinkGoo
01-30-2006, 12:14 PM
Ah, I see. Thank you.

panhead_91
01-30-2006, 12:28 PM
I've been struggling too Tiff. Yesterday, Pastor was in the middle of preaching and Satan started attacking me with those thoughts. In the middle of church!!!!!! I was so angry!!!! I kept rebuking and rebuking, but the thoughts came on stronger and stronger......I was looking up Bible verses and everything. They finally went away::]


yeah man samed thing happend to me i looked over at this guy i like in the middle of church and Satan started putting those thoughts in my head and yea i was in curch so i had to try meanly rebuking him and yeah it didnt work but then i left the sacturary(sp?) and started praying and it went away but man..........I cant believe he would do somthing like that in church!!

skynes
01-30-2006, 12:50 PM
Satan is still able to have access to Heaven (though not the Holy of Holies) so why wouldn't his forces have power in the church? It's just a building after all.

panhead_91
01-30-2006, 12:51 PM
yeah....but it makes me so mad! I mean come on your in the house of God!

disciple
01-30-2006, 12:54 PM
I would so want to be in whatever church Nickie yells blurts that out in. In an Iowan church, one wonders what the reaction would be. ;)

"Satan, I REBUKE YOU!" *everyone looks at her* "...carry on."

;)

panhead_91
01-30-2006, 12:55 PM
yeah that would be classic

kittygirl
01-30-2006, 12:58 PM
Satan is still able to have access to Heaven (though not the Holy of Holies) so why wouldn't his forces have power in the church? It's just a building after all.
well, the church is just a building. There's no way that a demon can't break through. It's if YOU personally are a Christian, because you can't be a Christian, and be possesed. So, it's also a problem, the fact that people think that the church can't ever have sin, or problems.

Because the fact is, the church itself is a mission field.

skynes
01-30-2006, 01:04 PM
I would honestly like to know where it says in the Bible that you cannot be a Christian and be possessed...

Those who think the church can't have problems, are deceived. God help their church cause I bet it's riddled with holes.