petrameansrock
02-08-2006, 07:50 PM
I was reading the book of (im sorry, im tired) I THINK it was Genesis, where Joseph is put in charge of Egypt by the Pharaoh, and the famine had just come and Joseph was the one in charge of distributing the supplies to the hungry people. He was being Socialist, Joseph is the founder of socialism.....Im too tired to write the verses down...go look it up!

amodman
02-09-2006, 08:38 PM
I assume this is a joke? Lol.

disciple
02-09-2006, 08:45 PM
I don't think Stell is another Greg. He may seriously want to discuss this. Personally I find the subject monotonous, but maybe I have a short attention span. *goes to play Battlefield 2: Modern Combat*

PinkGoo
02-09-2006, 08:46 PM
I don't think Stell is another Greg. He may seriously want to discuss this. Personally I find the subject monotonous, but maybe I have a short attention span. *goes to play Battlefield 2: Modern Combat*
I'm sorry, but that honestly made me laugh. :D

NightCrawler
02-14-2006, 01:07 PM
Okay...

Not quite.

Socialism, on its ideal core, bases its assumption on humans being good. Fails, like communism.

What he did was based on the fact that God gave him insight, AND he had the power to force people to work and ration themselves, he was the friggin' pharaoh for pete's sake.

unshakeable15
02-14-2006, 03:06 PM
Actually, he was the Pharoah's right-hand man. He had the power of the Pharoah behind him, but he wasn't the Pharoah. i think there was a bylaw that said you had to be Egyptian for that, or something.

amodman
02-14-2006, 05:56 PM
Okay...

Not quite.

Socialism, on its ideal core, bases its assumption on humans being good. Fails, like communism.

Erm, what? Socialism is not inherently a failed, in-feasible concept. Socialism is increased Gov. control in private matters to, assumedly, benefit the citizens (such as Canada's national health care insurance system and what have you). Can it be abused? Yes. But almost all countries have some form of Socialism within there Gov's somehow. Communism is simply a form of Socialism...

Blah, tangent over. Though, I still don't even know if this thread is joking or not...lol.

unshakeable15
02-16-2006, 03:36 PM
(even the US has some socialism. for example, the government subsidizes dairy farmers, which means they basically pay for all the dairy to ensure it's sold.)

NightCrawler
02-24-2006, 06:54 PM
Okay, good point.

Difference -- pure communism no one owns anything (gov does/distributes); pure socialism everyone owns everything (or the same), technically.

dawn of light
06-05-2006, 07:26 AM
Sorry I know this thread is kinda old but the topic interests me...

...Socialism is increased Gov. control in private matters to, assumedly, benefit the citizens (such as Canada's national health care insurance system and what have you). Can it be abused? Yes. But almost all countries have some form of Socialism within there Gov's somehow. Communism is simply a form of Socialism...

As far as I know communism is not a form of socialism, it's just farther left of political centre.

Communism (far left)
Socialism
Liberalism (Centre)
Conservatism
Fascism (far right)

Thats like saying Fascism is a form of Conservatism, it's not.

Canada's national health care system is a socialistic policy, as is the welfare system and any other Government funded policy that is put in place to help people in need. Socialism has it's faults just like anything else, but that doesn't mean it's all bad.

Note: I don't consider myself a "socialist" although I do agree with a lot of socialistic policies. (Maybe my different standpoint is because I'm Canadian? I noticed that most(all?) people contributing to this thread are Americans who are traditionally more right-wing than Canadians.)

unshakeable15
06-05-2006, 07:16 PM
Actually, socialism is on a different spectrum than communism. You can have a socialist democratic nation, just like you can have a capitalistic communist nation. One is a form of government (communism is to democracy); the other is a market system (as socialism is to capitalism).

dawn of light
06-06-2006, 06:24 AM
yeah, that actually makes more sense...

I was just quoting what I learned in high school a few years ago and still thought it to be true.

Thanks!

unshakeable15
06-07-2006, 04:14 PM
Therein lies the problem. High school teachers don't always know the difference either. i learned it in a college political science class.

And to clarify that little flow chart, it's more like this:

Communism <-> Liberalism <-> Conservatism <-> Fascism (Nazism)

dawn of light
06-08-2006, 07:10 AM
Where does fascism fit in then? Wouldn't that be the same as Nazism?

unshakeable15
06-19-2006, 02:14 PM
Yes, it is. Nazism is the specific party (like Republican). i should have put fascism; i'll change it.

Vuren
11-02-2006, 10:03 AM
Actually, socialism is on a different spectrum than communism. You can have a socialist democratic nation, just like you can have a capitalistic communist nation. One is a form of government (communism is to democracy); the other is a market system (as socialism is to capitalism).

IE i believe switzerland....or is it sweeden, but one of those is a socialistic democracy, and one that runs well(unfortantly i no longer have my notes from a Citizen Issues class)

Luke_USA
11-10-2006, 10:53 AM
(even the US has some socialism. for example, the government subsidizes dairy farmers, which means they basically pay for all the dairy to ensure it's sold.)

There are other elements present here in America like government-owned energy sources and labor unions - both of which have their origins in socialist thought.

Quadripedman
12-04-2006, 08:43 AM
I was reading the book of (im sorry, im tired) I THINK it was Genesis, where Joseph is put in charge of Egypt by the Pharaoh, and the famine had just come and Joseph was the one in charge of distributing the supplies to the hungry people. He was being Socialist, Joseph is the founder of socialism.....Im too tired to write the verses down...go look it up!


then, by your logic, food rations, etc. in world war II was being socialist? no. Joseph was just distributing the supplies so that there was enough for everyone. isnt that what YOU would do if there was a famine and you were in charge?