Yes. Do you guys think modesty is important? *hmm*

I want views from the girls and guys about how important it is.

Modesty is very helpful for guys who struggle/have struggled with lust (including myself).

In my opinion, shorts that go at least 1/2 way down the thigh, skirts go down to the knee, and a comfortably loose (so that it's not skin tight) t-shirt is good. that is my idea for general modesty dress code. But durring the summer, keep the area that is covered by a 1 piece swimsuit covered (I would consider that mostly modest durring the summer, but not year round).

Girls could run around in thongs for all I care and I could keep my mind totally away from lustful things. But I know all guys cant so I respect and understand that. Modesty is something we shouldnt have to discuss, something you should have enough common sense to figure out.........but then again, common sense isnt common anymore. Wear clothing that you wouldnt be ashamed to wear in front of Jesus. Thats my stand point on it.

** Purg **

i want men to be attracted to my spirit, my soul, my personality, my mind, and THEN my body. in that order. so in order to help this, i try to dress in a way that doesn't distract people from being drawn to who i really am.

i get uncomfortable when i wear clothing that's revealing or too tight.

although, no matter how modestly a girl dresses, some men will still lust after them because that's an issue they struggle with. i believe lust is a demonic stronghold. the reason why i belive this is so is because i used to have problems with lust.

i agree a_w. modesty can only go so far to stop a guy/girl from lusting. a lot of the time it's the mindset of the individual. but my take on modesty is that you should do all (resonably) possible to keep from becoming an object of lust. so, if that means girls don't wear tank tops with tiny straps, or tank tops at all in weather that's not hot, or guys don't wear tight shirts that show off their bodies. :- that's just as bad as girls showing off their tummies IMO.

personally, since i don't know any other way to say this, i wear what's comfortable. that happens to be jeans/shorts (around knee level), t-shirts (two, actually), button up shirts (plaid). never tank-tops, shorts above the knee too much, tight t-shirts...

It's more important that I think a lot of girls (and guys for that matter) think it is, because lust can be really debilitating for a Christian guy. But I also agree that a guy can get to a point where no amount of modesty on the opposite sex's part can keep him from falling to the temptation.

yeah, it's deffinatley important. if we didn't have modesty i'd want to kill a lot of people. i'm not kidding either. i hate ungratefullness, pride, arrogence, braging, ect. i hate it alot

I hate it when you go to the beach and the dudes are in speedos and the girls are in scraps of cloth.

I hate a lot of things. But that only means you aren't dead enough. When you're dead, you don't seem to notice a lot.

I have Zero attraction to immodest girls. I Can't stand em.

Its so easy for me to like it, but it took time for me to choose not to. ;)

** Purg **

Its just that around here all the girls that dress immodestly are nasty pig ignorant alcoholic sometimes pregnant so and so’s.

I’ve just developed an intense dislike for that kind of thing, modest girls are just soo much nicer people to be around.

I usually don’t bother trying to explain that to non-Christians cause they just don’t get it. I get told quite a bit that I need to sort my priorities out (meaning getting a girl into bed should be my first).

Skynes, it seems a bit strange that the only time I hear guys aren't attracted to that is online. Unless...the guys I know don't say anything. I don't know whether or not there's pressure to be cool and like that...or what. Hm. :P


i admit it openly to girls. just yesterday i was with a couple people (two of whom are girls) & i said that all guys are perverts. & they are! all guys are perverts, but they all fall differently on a scale of 1 to 10. i'm somewhere under 5, but i'm not near 1 like i'd want to be. ;) & i don't admit that only online. so maybe you just don't hang with the open guys.

Skynes, it seems a bit strange that the only time I hear guys aren't attracted to that is online. Unless...the guys I know don't say anything. I don't know whether or not there's pressure to be cool and like that...or what. Hm. :P



i admit it openly to girls. just yesterday i was with a couple people (two of whom are girls) & i said that all guys are perverts. & they are! all guys are perverts, but they all fall differently on a scale of 1 to 10. i'm somewhere under 5, but i'm not near 1 like i'd want to be. ;) & i don't admit that only online. so maybe you just don't hang with the open guys.


yeah that's so very true. it's like what an appostle said, i don't do what i want to do(God's will) yet i do what i hate(sin). sometimes i ack in a manner that sickens me when i look back upon it, the things i think and do aren't who i want to be but i do it nevertheless. i know had i not been christian and try to stray away from lust i would be an 9 or 10.

i admit it openly to girls. just yesterday i was with a couple people (two of whom are girls) & i said that all guys are perverts. & they are! all guys are perverts, but they all fall differently on a scale of 1 to 10. i'm somewhere under 5, but i'm not near 1 like i'd want to be. ;) & i don't admit that only online. so maybe you just don't hang with the open guys.


it's a hard issue to be open with. our society's place a huge taboo on sex. you don't talk about it, yet you see it all over media and advertising and the like. but it's never discussed. you just have these inuendos floating around. that can stimulate curiosity and drift off into other areas.

and yeah, guys wearing tighter shirts can be immodest too. and tighter pants. i tend to feel funny when i'm with girls (actually, this was just in high school) and they start talking about a guy's body parts. because to be honest, i don't look at that. men are so much more visually stimulated than women (for the most part) that the acceptions i find in my own gender still shock me.

I think modesty is important. but i dont know why. I should find out!!

"Do not let any part of your body become a tool of wickedness, to be used for sinning. Instead, give yourselves completely to God since you have been given new life. And use your whole body as a tool to do what is right for the glory of God."

Romans 6:13 (NLT)

wearing suggestive clothing glorifies yourself. your body. but those of us who are believers have died (Gal. 2:20) and now Christ lives in us. we lost our rights to glorify ourselves (ie. "check me out..."). we are to glorify the Lord with our whole body. not just our mind, or our neck wearing a cross necklace. but with all we are.

we are to glorify the Lord with our whole body. not just our mind, or our neck wearing a cross necklace. but with all we are.


this is seriously my life's struggle. not with being modest, but with glorifying God with all i am. if, like in Romans 12.1-2, i'm supposed to offer my body as a living sacrifice, then i'm supposed to put all that i am on the altar, set myself on fire, & let God be glorified in the smoke & flames that eat away at my body. :) they should cover all that i am, not just part of me.

AMEN!!! That's so true unshakeable, I had never looked at it that way!

if you like it that much, then you'd like Caedmon's Call's song Coming Home. the first verse basically is what i said. :) great song.

so true michael. to let God be glorified. when we give our lives to Him, we die to our rights anyway. now He lives in us and is Lord of our life (rules every area of our life). i know it takes awhile for us to realize it, accept it and desire that change in our lives.

but it is something i am striving for. when people look at me i want them to see Jesus, not tracy.

i believe the way we dress will tell others where we think their focus should be...

but it is something i am striving for. when people look at me i want them to see Jesus, not tracy.

yeah...right with you sis.

OH MY GOSH! MODESTY IS ONE OF THE THINGS I FIND MOST ATTRACTIVE ABOUT A CHRISTIAN GIRL

this shows me that they are willing to not cave into the crowd and also that they respect thier body as well as thier rrelationship with thier future husband, and i honor that so much,

beside the point, i have struggled with lust and porn and stuf like that for forever... and seeing a girl in skimpy clothing brings back stuff that i DONT want to remember and induces lust which is gross and immorral...

the bible says "do not cause your brother to stumble" plz honor that and we'll honor you.

peace

i hate it when girls are dressed all skimpy and then if a guy does something like checks her out or yells or something she gts all mad! it's like if you don't want people to see it and react PUT IT AWAY! and even if you do want them to see it still PUT IT AWAY!

AMEN sister!!! wooo!

the bible says "do not cause your brother to stumble" plz honor that and we'll honor you.

peace


i think girls need to remember that guys are more visually driven than girls are. best way to protect the eyes/mind of a brother in Christ is to watch what we wear.

i hate it when girls are dressed all skimpy and then if a guy does something like checks her out or yells or something she gts all mad! it's like if you don't want people to see it and react PUT IT AWAY! and even if you do want them to see it still PUT IT AWAY!


lol

^ WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY "LOL" !? THAT'S REALLY HONESTLY TRUE!!! it SHOULD be that way but the MEDIA has brainwashed up to believe otherwise... women arnt MEANT to show off thier body, in my opinion it's sinful to dress in a way that reveals large portions of skin for reasons stated.

i wasn't laughing at the sad truth of the situation or the writer. i find it funny how it's said, the irony of what she said, and how perfectly blunt it is.

i wasn't laughing at the sad truth of the situation or the writer. i find it funny how it's said, the irony of what she said, and how perfectly blunt it is.


sorry that was me going off on the stupidness of my gender! I tend to do that sometimes! ::) ;)


"perfectly blunt" ROCK ON!

i could go on for days about my half

i could go on for days about my half


ya i could go on for days about your half too but God says I can't so I am gonna shut up now! ;)

lol

okay, shut up and back on subject... i'd actually like to hear more "reasoning" of how *(some)girls can justify dressing the way they do?

i highly doubt there is any justification, but i will leave the possiblility open that there may be for the fact that the ladies can answer with a higher knowledge on the subject.

heh heh ;D

that wasn't ment to be funny

oh i am sure girls can come up with "reasons" but whether they are good reasons or logical reasons I really couldn't say!

^that's right you cant!

it's just women and thier (dare i say: ) horniness.

actually the reason why a lot of females dress skimpy is because they are insecure about the way they look and so they try to apeal to the oppisit sex so they will feel better about themselves! the reason you listed doesn't come into play for a lot of females! the reason why guys look at them that way when they are dressed immodestly would be the reason you listed as why girls dress in skimpy clothing.

good points Kate. this soceity pushes that our worth is our body. and if you agree with soceity and are majorly influenced by what you see on t.v. and such, then of course you are going to get the "sexiest" clothes you can to get noticed.

it is really sad when you stop and think about it. beauty goes deeper than your skin. and yet so many women fall into the trap of appearance.

and even if girls don't mean to, they see other girls getting all this attention from guys and they aren't. so they determine it must be because 'i don't look right'. and so they start their path of doing all they can to their physical body to get a guy's attention. which in their mind means 'real love' and therefore be important.

I think there is a fine line between modesty and immodesty. The way I dress I would consider incredibly modest. I'm into tighter t-shirts, but they're t-shirts..... All I ever wear is t-shirts and jeans/Dickies. But for instance I have a good friend, Jenna, who is more of the "preppy" type girls. You know the type.

And she wears a lot of really nifty little tops and cute little skirts and the such. The shirts she wears are also fitting, but their cut differently than t-shirts, you know. Her skirts and shorts usually come above her knee and show off some of her thigh. But while her clothing is more fitting and oftenly cut shorter all around, I still don't look at her and think she is dressed immodestly.

I guess it all depends on the person who is wearing the clothes and their personality and attitude about it, as well as the person looking at them. I can look at Jenna and see nothing wrong with her outfit, but somebody else might feel otherwise. Anyway, as I said.... a very fine line.

i totally agree with what y'all are saying in gereral... but even tight-fitting T's can be, in my opinion, immodest, this is because that, while they do cover up skin, they also show off a lot of the *cough* curves *cough* that a woman's body posesses, and this, (speaking from a guy's perspective as i am one,) can also turn on a guy sexually...

so it's not just the fact that skin is showing, but also how you cover up your skin.

and you're saying its not hard for me to find clothes!? it is... for lots of the same reasons.... not the modesty per-se but mainly cause i'm a hard fit....

and also, because im a goth, my mom doesnt likee that and shes all like RAR! when i rear black at all... and so i have to find clothes that satisfy both parties :P

yeah, it can be hard to find clothes, but not impossible. it just takes time to sit and look through clothes until you find ones that work. ;)

so it's not just the fact that skin is showing, but also how you cover up your skin.

good point. sometimes i get so excited to find a top that covers everything, but then i don't get it because it is so tight - meant to show everything, even with cloth on. and it gets frustrating.

ah well, ya gotta just keep looking and from time to time you'll get blessed with a really nice fighting pair of pants/top/etc.

its so crazy... i mena serious... they're living my life for me, i dunno if that true for y'all, but it's been getting on my nerves for only the last 3 years.

its so crazy... i mena serious... they're living my life for me, i dunno if that true for y'all, but it's been getting on my nerves for only the last 3 years.


well, not that i know your life or how your parents treat you, but from my experience, parents only put more limitations on kids for 3 reasons. 1) they don't trust you to make good decisions 2) they love you & want to guide you in making good decisions & this is one way to do that 3) they hate your guts & try to make life difficult by any means possible.

i doubt your parents are doing #3. if you think it's #1, then you can talk with them, work things out to see if they really don't trust you. if it ends up that's the case, maybe you can work something out with them to earn their trust. :- if you suspect #2, then they are just loving you through their rules. not much you can do about that except realize they really do love you & want the best for you.

having said all that, it's always a good idea to listen to your parents when it comes to clothes. not only do they usually buy them, but they have a different perspective that can be very insightful.

i understand where you're coming from, totally, having been in several leadership positions, i can partially understand parenting's angle... but it still frustrates me.

if i wanna screw up my life, let me, right? if they've tought me the truth then it's time for me to make my own decisions, i'm almost 18, i buy some of my clothes, since they buy me about 2% of my clothes now, and i'll be out of the house in less than a year... but they still treat me like im 13.

I think parents don't want to see their little kids grow up. Wear clothes that make them look older and grow up and buy their own stuff.

understandable

I have a few random things to say.

First, a scripture I'm surprised no one's mentioned yet...i always think of it when i think of modesty....
Matthew 18:6 - "But if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a large millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea."
Another good example is I Cor. 8 (the whole chapter, particularly towards the end). It talks about not causing someone else to sin, even when what you're doing seems fine to you.

That's the other thing that bothers me more than anything about modesty. Yes, it bothers me to see people in my school and really all over the world living in immodesty, but it hurts even more to see the girls in my church do it. the problem is that they're not trying to make guys look at them, but they don't understand how a guy thinks. there was a time when a (girl) friend of mine got mad because i thought she should cover up. she thought i was being a pervert! The problem is that they think it should always be the guy's problem to have clean thoughts. They're right, but lots of guys wouldn't even try to stay clean. So that guy's lust problem is in the girl's hands in her decision of what to wear. thus, she causes him to sin.
i have a lot more to say, but no time right now. sorry if this made no sense; i'm rushed....post later...

good words, sir bluflame... very true to actions in life and thank you for making it biblically clear about God's view on making others more suseptable to sin.

HMM! Or maybe because they think their sweet little NORMAL kid will fall into the stereotypical 'goth' look, even if they might just be a goth.

::)

...^ you gotta say hi to the little gothic children... thats what garth wrote in my palm pilot's To Do list..."say hi to the little gothic children" it's really fun :D

I say I am modest. If you are me, it is VERY hard to find clothes. First off, you have to find clothes that are modest AND clothes that your mom lets you wear. Second of all, if your mom likes them you won't usually like them. :o

I'm just saying its VERY hard to find clothes.


LOL. I know wot u mean the 'Oh what about this top it looks nice' and its some green polo neck jumper with different coloured zig zag stripes through it *shudders*

I dress like me. Nothing else. I don't let ppl tell me how to dress, never have (no1s ever tried! :P)

Ugh. skelfy, i COMPLETELY understand. my mom is the same way. *no, you can't get that top in black, you have too much black in your closet* FER CRYING OUT LOUD I HAVE 4 BLACK PANTS (2 are dress pants that she likes), AND 3 BLACK T-SHIRTS!!! THAT'S ALL!!!! *ok i lied i have black underwear, but that doesn't count* THE REST IS ALL BRIGHT YELLOW AND RED AND BLUE AND GREEN FER HEAVENS SAKE I'M NOT GONNA EAT PEOPLE AND GET PEIRCINGS IN ODD PLACES!!! *i would like piercings on my face, but NOOO, mother says no*

done now ;D

Yeah. I see little girls these days wearing spaghetti straps and belly tops. And SHORT skirts.

hey, that just reminded me...a couple years ago, I saw this girl who lives a couple blocks across the street, wearing only a bandana for a shirt and a pair of short shorts. She was only around eight. I found it really sad. Kids start dressing like that at such young ages...

it is.... you look in the girls clothing at the store, and i always wanna throw up because they're so little and yet they're already dressing practically like prostitutes :-

Yeah, I walk through the mall and there's this store for younger kids, like preteen age, and the some of the stuff looks like a five year old could fit into it comfortably.

Being what seems to be old about these parts, i can say that you will appreciate your parents more than you can ever imagine in your early 20s.
As for modesty, it really does cut both ways, and too many churches have excused men from all responsibility.

yeah well back on the whole goth thing, im finally 18 so i can get my drivers license, a job at starbucks and go buy my own stinkin goth stuff.... and keep it in my car so i can leave the house 'normal' and change once i get there. so, PEH oh you! :D

u know it now i jsut have to find time to hold a job and then also hang with my woman and with my OTHER friends heh heh:D

Immodesty upsets me. Tight shirts, short skirts, you get the picture.


Ugh, I'm bored... must bring back old threads :P Must get the ball rollin' again.

Yes. Do you guys think modesty is important? *hmm*

I want views from the girls and guys about how important it is.
hey my name is nate this is taken straight from www.xxxchurch.com a great resource for people who deal with sexual sins


for girls

Take The NoHo Pledge
I, _____________________, promise to the best of my ability not to dress, buy clothes or act like a Ho. Clothes I should try to avoid buying or wearing: tight pants that are cut so low that when I bend over you can see my g-string or butt crack, tight half shirts that show my six or not-so-six pack, tight shirts that are low cut to show my cleavage or short shorts that you can see my butt cheeks in.
I know that God desires me to glorify him in all things and I realize that by dressing like a Ho, I only desire to give glory to me, not God. I also know boys have a problem with sexual things and I know that by not dressing like a Ho, I can be a part of the solution, not the problem!


Why the NoHo Pledge?

1 Timothy 2:9 says: "And I want women to be modest in their appearance. They should wear decent and appropriate clothing and not draw attention to themselves by the way they fix their hair or by wearing gold or pearl or expensive clothes." We know that the word NoHo may offend some, but we only came up with it after we were offended by all the young women who, well, look like Ho's.
I believe there is only one role model that every young women needs to look to-God. He knows what is best, so why wouldn't you want to follow the lead of someone who knows what's up? The truth is that God desires women to be modest in their appearance. This is not only because your body is God's and it honors him when you actually do dress modestly. But, you should also be thinking about bringing glory to God, not glory to yourself by showing everyone your body.
Guys are very visual; we don't have to go into great detail about this because you would have to be living under a rock to not know this. But, why can't you help the boys out who are stimulated by girls on TV, in news, magazines and video games? Just to let you know, people will look at you and may think "Wow, she's hot"...but you gotta remember that some day beauty will fade and what will your husband or boyfriend be left with? If you have a nice body that you are proud of, thank God for it and move on. If you have such a great body, guys will still be attracted to you regardless if you are wearing a full-length sweat suit or nothing at all. Hopefully they will be attracted to something far greater than skin...your character and you as a woman of God.

X_________________________________



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for the guys

The X3 PorNO! Pledge
1. I will be accountable to someone. Whether it is a friend, a relative, a pastor or a spouse. I realize if I try and do this on my own I'm going to jack it up.
2. I will be open and real about my own struggles knowing that the truth will lead to freedom. I am not ashamed to be human and realize that mama was right...honesty is the best policy.
3. I will talk about the dirty little secret and encourage others to be real and open about it. Let's realize that we are all in this together, right?
4. I will put safeguards in my life to keep me away from this crap. If it means I've got to get rid of the satellite dish and DSL, then I will do it.




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I went there yesterday, and I think those guys are cool. But we are on Modesty, not recovering from an addiction.

disciple read the waht i said int he no ho pleade its all about modesty calling people girls to it

read it yo

dang dood take your time and read it

for girls

Take The NoHo Pledge
I, _____________________, promise to the best of my ability not to dress, buy clothes or act like a Ho. Clothes I should try to avoid buying or wearing: tight pants that are cut so low that when I bend over you can see my g-string or butt crack, tight half shirts that show my six or not-so-six pack, tight shirts that are low cut to show my cleavage or short shorts that you can see my butt cheeks in.
I know that God desires me to glorify him in all things and I realize that by dressing like a Ho, I only desire to give glory to me, not God. I also know boys have a problem with sexual things and I know that by not dressing like a Ho, I can be a part of the solution, not the problem!


Why the NoHo Pledge?

1 Timothy 2:9 says: "And I want women to be modest in their appearance. They should wear decent and appropriate clothing and not draw attention to themselves by the way they fix their hair or by wearing gold or pearl or expensive clothes." We know that the word NoHo may offend some, but we only came up with it after we were offended by all the young women who, well, look like Ho's.
I believe there is only one role model that every young women needs to look to-God. He knows what is best, so why wouldn't you want to follow the lead of someone who knows what's up? The truth is that God desires women to be modest in their appearance. This is not only because your body is God's and it honors him when you actually do dress modestly. But, you should also be thinking about bringing glory to God, not glory to yourself by showing everyone your body.
Guys are very visual; we don't have to go into great detail about this because you would have to be living under a rock to not know this. But, why can't you help the boys out who are stimulated by girls on TV, in news, magazines and video games? Just to let you know, people will look at you and may think "Wow, she's hot"...but you gotta remember that some day beauty will fade and what will your husband or boyfriend be left with? If you have a nice body that you are proud of, thank God for it and move on. If you have such a great body, guys will still be attracted to you regardless if you are wearing a full-length sweat suit or nothing at all. Hopefully they will be attracted to something far greater than skin...your character and you as a woman of God.

X_________________________________



Date __________________________________

Nevermind... I won't bicker. I'm sick of bickering. Any mods care to take my place and tell him what I was trying to say?

promise to the best of my ability not to dress, buy clothes or act like a Ho. Clothes I should try to avoid buying or wearing: tight pants that are cut so low that when I bend over you can see my g-string or butt crack, tight half shirts that show my six or not-so-six pack, tight shirts that are low cut to show my cleavage or short shorts that you can see my butt cheeks in.
I know that God desires me to glorify him in all things and I realize that by dressing like a Ho, I only desire to give glory to me, not God. I also know boys have a problem with sexual things and I know that by not dressing like a Ho, I can be a part of the solution, not the problem!

all this is modestsy issues

all this is modestsy issues

1 Timothy 2:9 says: "And I want women to be modest in their appearance. They should wear decent and appropriate clothing and not draw attention to themselves by the way they fix their hair or by wearing gold or pearl or expensive clothes." We know that the word NoHo may offend some, but we only came up with it after we were offended by all the young women who, well, look like Ho's.
I believe there is only one role model that every young women needs to look to-God. He knows what is best, so why wouldn't you want to follow the lead of someone who knows what's up? The truth is that God desires women to be modest in their appearance. This is not only because your body is God's and it honors him when you actually do dress modestly. But, you should also be thinking about bringing glory to God, not glory to yourself by showing everyone your body.
Guys are very visual; we don't have to go into great detail about this because you would have to be living under a rock to not know this. But, why can't you help the boys out who are stimulated by girls on TV, in news, magazines and video games? Just to let you know, people will look at you and may think "Wow, she's hot"...but you gotta remember that some day beauty will fade and what will your husband or boyfriend be left with? If you have a nice body that you are proud of, thank God for it and move on. If you have such a great body, guys will still be attracted to you regardless if you are wearing a full-length sweat suit or nothing at all. Hopefully they will be attracted to something far greater than skin...your character and you as a woman of God.

read it i never wentr off topic modest deals with men and woman

Yes. Do you guys think modesty is important? *hmm*

I want views from the girls and guys about how important it is.
skelfy ask i replied biut went a stpe more and gave scripture ans talked about modesty my shole topic is about mdest there is no rabbit tral yp read ypo


dang dood all have to do is read

Your last reply needs to be in English. Thanks.

disciple was referring to these three posts i'm sure:
POST 1
for the guys

The X3 PorNO! Pledge
1. I will be accountable to someone. Whether it is a friend, a relative, a pastor or a spouse. I realize if I try and do this on my own I'm going to jack it up.
2. I will be open and real about my own struggles knowing that the truth will lead to freedom. I am not ashamed to be human and realize that mama was right...honesty is the best policy.
3. I will talk about the dirty little secret and encourage others to be real and open about it. Let's realize that we are all in this together, right?
4. I will put safeguards in my life to keep me away from this crap. If it means I've got to get rid of the satellite dish and DSL, then I will do it.




SIGN HERE _______________________________________

POST 2
www.xxxchurch.com is a great resource for bible studies and improtant stuff concerning how to be holy in anot so hole culture

AND POST 3
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it's good info, yet it's more dealing with purity in the first post and xxxchurch in the second & third (still somewhat on topic with those last two since you're letting us know about the place you got the NoHo pledge from). that's all he was referring to.

thank you for the NoHo pledge. :) i didn't even know it was on the xxxchurch site. you can tell how indepth i've looked around there. ::] but it's a good guideline. it lists a lot of what makes it difficult for guys to keep their eyes pure.

ok i see your point but if you wanted more info on modesty then xxxchurch has some great refrence tools that is why i brought it up modesty is a purity issue

And if you domt deal witjh purity first nobody will understand modesty

think about youhave to deal with a root sin

why is there immodesty beacuse we dont have pure minds .

christ transforms us then we learn about purity and modest comes after that

im talking spirituallyt speaking

i understand that. why worry about modesty if you're not even worried about purity?

however, the topic of this thread was more specifically modesty. you could say talking about purity and about ten other topics ranging from pride to love. however, to keep it from getting to broad, let's try to keep it a little more focused on modesty. :)

not saying we can't talk about purity, but let's try to keep it purity focused towards modesty, as opposed to purity in general. :)

Modest cloths aren't easy to find. And honestly I think it stinks. I mean modesty is SOOOOO important, and yet its so hard to find....

^That is so true!

Most of the popular clothing in popular retail stores is low-cut, low-rise, skin-tight, etc. I can't even FIND a dress at the mall that my mom'll let me get and wear! Most are too short, or if they are long they are too low cut! I have to by camisoles to go under many of my low shirts so that I will retain modesty...But you CAN find modest clothes if you truly search for them (which some people don't take the time to). I wear jeans (or other pants) and T-shirts a lot for that reason (plus, it's just more comfortable that way!)!

Modesty goes both ways too, though. It is our job as Christian young ladies to dress modestly, but it is also Christian young men's jobs to watch how they react to those girls that do not dress modestly. Girls see the way guys act toward a scantily-clad girl; the girls see the attention that those other girls get...so Christian men need to learn not to take those second and third (and even fourth) looks so that they do not unwillingly glorify what is not right.

Modesty goes both ways too, though. It is our job as Christian young ladies to dress modestly, but it is also Christian young men's jobs to watch how they react to those girls that do not dress modestly. Girls see the way guys act toward a scantily-clad girl; the girls see the attention that those other girls get...so Christian men need to learn not to take those second and third (and even fourth) looks so that they do not unwillingly glorify what is not right.
right on Thalia. we guys need to watch their eyes (no pun intended) not only to show the ladies that we cherish a woman who's modest, but also to keep our minds pure. it's those second & third & 10th looks that kill. :x thanks for the reminder Thalia. :)

Yeah, I wish it wasn't so tough for guys who are recovering from falling into lust... if only it were as easy a *snap!* and it's over -- I really do, because the way I think is different from the way I think... I know that made NO sense, but I try :) Maybe I'll edit this later when I'm not in a rush.

good points thalia.

all good points from all keep em coming inwhat ways are you men and woman doing to activley take steps into being modest

and you can find modest clothes its not hard to find ive beens shopping i have a 12 year old sister

old navy
jcp penney
sears
dillards
and yes you can eve find a lil modest clothes at the mall
like body shop of america
the crate
and yes done be shockled there are some american eagle clothes that are modest

so dont give me that excuse

asnd yes men should be held accountablehow they act acround woman . be praying that young men find accountablity in other men in the ways of God

just dfont ge the american eagle catalog sent to your house not modest at all hehehehehe

lol hehehehe, when are catalogs modest? They design 'em not to be! :P hehe

^Heh...especially the Ambercrombie & Fitch catalog!! I have NEVER been in that store ever, but I heard some girls at my school talking about how you have to be 18 to buy A & F's magazine or special catalog or something...THAT'S bad!

^That IS bad! Whoo, man, that is just another example of how modest the world is today.

Yeah, the first time I ever had heard about A & F was when we got their catalog one Christmas a few years ago and the cover was an obviously clothes-less guy snuggled in bed with four girls in flannel...The back cover was the same, but with a surprised look on the guy's (and the girls' too) face, as if some parent had caught him in bed with the girls...After that I refuse to go into one of their stores (and also because I really don't like their clothes...)

I don't care for A&F anyway, but thanks for the heads-up. Those catalogs sicken me.

It apalled me to see how many girls in low-cut shirts or short shorts or ridiculously short skirts at the CHRISTIAN convention I went too this past week! They were supposed to be Godly girls, but I wondered with some...We discussed the modesty issue in one of our college-age conferences, so that's why I'm fresh on all this stuff. But really, it's just common sense!

Clothes aren't soley responsible for Modesty. Yes, there are some things that are not very modest at all, but some "modest" clothes can be worn immodestly. There are ways to get around the immodesty of some clothes. For example, let's say you found an awsome tank top... but it's kind of low cut. It may be possible to wear a T-shirt (that fits with the color theme of the tank top) under the tank top. It may not always work, but it is possible to be modest with less than modest clothes.

Yeah... but always avoid the tightness. Remember that. Tightness annoys me... like a spiritual turnoff (like my "buddy" that showed up today...)

I agree, I feel less attracted to girls who are Immodest or very concerned about their looks (like too much make-up, always having to wearing make-up, dressing in certain brands...). I've offten been more attracted to the spiritually strong girls over the visually pleasing girls.

True... I always thought I was stupid for being attracted visually, but more and more I scorn myself for looking (I have to train my eyes not t wander there -- I did it for years before I repented and found Jesus, who was before me always) but one time, I was spiritually attracted to one girl, and I felt a sort of connection, but over time, I realized it was nothing (she ended up treating me like every girl does).

To get to my point, I actually have been spiritually attracted to a girl before. I never thought it was possible for me. And I like it, too.

all good points from all keep em coming inwhat ways are you men and woman doing to activley take steps into being modest

and you can find modest clothes its not hard to find ive beens shopping i have a 12 year old sister

old navy
jcp penney
sears
dillards
and yes you can eve find a lil modest clothes at the mall
like body shop of america
the crate
and yes done be shockled there are some american eagle clothes that are modest

so dont give me that excuse

asnd yes men should be held accountablehow they act acround woman . be praying that young men find accountablity in other men in the ways of God

what active steps are you men and woman doing to be modest mentaly physicalyand spiritually

well I am buying the tightest possible thing I can find and doing by best street walker impression.... :o :o :o

actualy when Ross has thier Spring Dress Event you can find dresses that are realy cute yest not to revealing. All girls want to look and feel pretty, but with the way media pushes sexuality it makes it real hard for girls to choose the right thing to wear. PARENTS need to take the responsibility to tell thier girls when something is innapropriate to wear.

However on the NoHo challenge thing for the boys; I get 1, 2, and 4. I have no idea what 3 is. And it completely lacked the I will refrane from gawking at the girl busts and bottoms. And not act like a complete pig when hanging out with the boys. That's just my opinion....

Again I say PARENTS need to live up to thier responsibility to help guide thier children in making good choices. And when need be "just say no"....

^So very true! So many parents now have started to just let their kids have their own way! It is our duty as children to obey AND honor our parents, and what honor does it show them to run around half-naked in public?

Why aren't parents seeing thier kids as they are leaving the house and say "no freaking way are you going out like that". Boy I blew it the other day cuz my daughter is starting to want to dress cool and do the make-up. But that's not gonna happen cuz she's 11 and starting 6th grade next year. But she had a dr. apt. Tuesday and when we sat down in the waiting room I looked at her and she had eyeshadow on. So without embarrasing her I straight out told her "the make-up is for dressing up at home and playing around only, and you know that. As soon as we get in the room I'm washing it off your face". And I did.

Yeah, the first time I ever had heard about A & F was when we got their catalog one Christmas a few years ago and the cover was an obviously clothes-less guy snuggled in bed with four girls in flannel...The back cover was the same, but with a surprised look on the guy's (and the girls' too) face, as if some parent had caught him in bed with the girls...After that I refuse to go into one of their stores (and also because I really don't like their clothes...)
i was dragged (kicking and screaming, i might add) into an A&F w/ my cousins once.... and since then i've wondered why they call them models when they never wear anything.... ::] :P and the fact that the shorts and the undies are the same size 9 times out of 10.... :-X


stupid freaking sex-crazed culture. you really have to commit to spending an entire day at the mall if you want to find any decent clothes .... ::] :-X

^Heh...especially the Ambercrombie & Fitch catalog!! I have NEVER been in that store ever, but I heard some girls at my school talking about how you have to be 18 to buy A & F's magazine or special catalog or something...THAT'S bad!Yeah, you do. My fam got a catalong from A&F. Front page.. not stuff you want to repeat I was heard. My mom wouldn't let me like at the catalong.. which I'm very,very thankful for. I've been in the store, for a while they carried the only jeans my sister could wear.. [she's real short and skinny.]Once my sister found out that she was getting rip off.. paying 60-99 bucks for a pair of jeans [when they were probably 25 or less to make] and supporting porn all at the same time. I don't get why people want to shop there!

^It's all part of the culture and popularity...the kids see the brand names and then they 'have' to have it. As long as people keep shopping there and supporting that store, it'll still be there and the name will still be out there...it's like a Catch-22. That's why I don't shop there, or in many other stores for that matter!

^Amen, sister! It makes me wish that old show about the girls who shopped for slutty clothes didn't exist... it was "Valley Girls," was it not? That started the craze.

Anyways, it's all about the low-high bar set called "standards" and expectations set by the teens in charge of trends called "stereotypes."

what active steps are you men and woman doing to be modest mentaly physicalyand spiritually

Honestly, I sometimes think I'm not doing enough to be modest mentally, but physically I am the most modest guy my age in my whole city, and I am also most likely the most spiritual, too.

what active steps are you men and woman doing to be modest mentaly physicalyand spiritually

good question.

mentally - i am watching the things i put in front of my eyes and ears. not listening to songs with suggestive lyrics. not watching movies (nor reading books) with sexual scenes.

physically - i tend to not go shopping alone. i usually have either my mom or one of my sisters with me. that way when i try something on, if they think it looks to suggestive then they tell me. they keep me accountable in the way i present myself. and it helps to have other people close to you support you and give you advice.

spiritually - reknew the mind daily with the Word of God. Philippians 4:8 is a great verse to rule your mind with. whatever things are holy, lovely, of good repute - in the eyes of God. then, dwell on those things. good guidelines. the Bible addresses many issues in which help so you how to have a pure thought life, as well as a modest life on the outside. letting His word prune me and shape me into the woman of God that He created me to be. to measure my life by His standards and not the standards of any fashion magazine. remembering that there are more important things in life than being a size 0...or whatever it is that you desire.

(and just for the record, it is good to be in shape. i am not against that at all. just don't make it an idol by obsessing over your weight. there is no freedom in that.)

It apalled me to see how many girls in low-cut shirts or short shorts or ridiculously short skirts at the CHRISTIAN convention I went too this past week! They were supposed to be Godly girls, but I wondered with some...We discussed the modesty issue in one of our college-age conferences, so that's why I'm fresh on all this stuff. But really, it's just common sense!


Yeah Thalia...we saw some of the same things at Creation...not a lot but there were some....but i know that a everyone there are not Christians or maybe still young in the faith...and havnt learned such things yet..but still like you said it's just common sense

However i do want you get you guys opinions on a couple of other things that happened at CE.....one artist wore a skimpy top that she had to keep tugging at to keep it from falling off.....and the other was a band...their drummer played on the stage bare chested...i was disappointed in both of them as well as the officals at CE who allowed it...as it was against CE's own dress code.....I dont want to mention names because i dont want to upset their fans that may post here but i will say that both of them are well known in the Chrsitian music realm.

I may be a prude but i felt they were out of line....and i plan on contacting them(the ppl at creation) to state my disapproval....i am just waiting until after CW....because i know they are really busy putting that together.

well if the rule was wear a shirt then the drummer should have worn one. It's possible yet very unlikely that the drummer was unaware of the rule. For those of you who don't know this I really get ticked when people refuse to follow the rules when they are simple, unopressive, rules. My question is why get involved if you have no intention of following the rules. Especially for those who are in the role model catagory like the drummer was.

The skimpy topped girl should have been handed a t-shirt by someone from CE. It's possible yet not probable that it was the first time she wore the shirt. I know that there's been times that I have tried something on, it seemed to fit well, and bought it. Only to wear it once and find out it just doesn't move with me well. However that being said she should have taken the inititive and told someone to grab a t-shirt for her that she was having a "wardrobe malfunction".

Yeah, I'm pretty sympathetic with the first-time wear stuff. Even if I try a shirt (or a pair of jeans, etc) on before I buy it, that doesn't always tell me how it's going to fit after an hour, or six, or twelve, or what it's going to be like paired with my jeans rather than the skirt I'm wearing while I try it on, etc.

You know, what I've found to be a very fortunate trend in modern youth fashion is layering. :) I have a couple shirts that, worn solo, would be bordering immodest, but worn with a generic tank top or fitted t-shirt underneath, they're cute and completely modest. I don't like having to buy two shirts to be able to wear one, but I've found I like the effect -- I can wear my tealish featherweight tee under this one black shirt I have, and it adds modesty and a splash of color! ;)

It helps, because it's near-impossible for me to find clothing that 1) fits, 2) is modest, and 3) still looks good. I can go through two entire malls and a couple downtown shops and come out with maybe one shirt. In our market economy, what is sold is determined by what people buy, and a lot of girls like showing off skin. After I bought three or four $5 "undershirt" tees, I could buy a somewhat low-cut shirt if I wanted and still be able to wear it without being immodest. It's actually a nice little tradeoff. :)

^So true! It is one thing to see girls or guys just walking around or just there violating rules and such, but when you are on stage performing, for everyone to see you, you are to set an example for others and disobeying the rules or wearing something skimpy (or even with a bad message) sends the WRONG message...

^So true! It is one thing to see girls or guys just walking around or just there violating rules and such, but when you are on stage performing, for everyone to see you, you are to set an example for others and disobeying the rules or wearing something skimpy (or even with a bad message) sends the WRONG message...

Very true...and what is even more ironic is the fact that earlier in the day Josh Harris gave a seminar on avoiding lust....and then they let artist dress in ways that may cause someone to lust ???

That bothers me. That kind of hypocritical behavior (going against something and then putting it forth like it's O.K.) is what makes the world as lustful as it is today. It's bound to happen, bu it bothers me that people would do such things as the aforementioned (sp? a word?). People need to be moreresponsible for their appearance AND their actions. *rolls eyes* people...

When I was little I let my mom pick out my clothes... and some kids [even teens] do the same.. well, I know of some mom's that let their kids dress really lustfully. Like I saw 4 yr old females wearing mini skirts.. ok, so the kid probably picked it out her self..but the mom and dad saying its OK to wear that. When the kid gets older, she/he says 'oh, it's ok to wear that A&F shirt that has a low neck line.' The parent[s]worries about the kid[s] clothes. Well, *shrugs* tough luck trying to undo the bad 'habit'. [Habit of buying/getting unmodest clothes.]

Very true...and what is even more ironic is the fact that earlier in the day Josh Harris gave a seminar on avoiding lust....and then they let artist dress in ways that may cause someone to lust ???
A lot of Chrisitan artists do the same. I can think of two xtian artists in particle that catch my eye. [well, duh! they dress in a way to make me look.]

A lot of Chrisitan artists do the same. I can think of two xtian artists in particle that catch my eye. [well, duh! they dress in a way to make me look.]



dont you just hate when people take christ out of chrisitmans and put xmas or take chrsit name out of chrisitan and say xtian

what active steps are you men and woman doing to be modest mentaly physicalyand spiritually

what active steps are you men and woman doing to be modest mentaly physicalyand spiritually

Don't you hate it when someone posts the exact same thing multiple times...

what steps am I taking...

Mentally: Remembering that... 1) they are a person and there is more to them than the Physical Body 2)God created them and loves them.

Physicalyand (I'm guessing Physically): I usually wear comfortablely fit (not baggy, yet not tight) clothes.

Spiritually: a combination of prayer, accountability, and reading of scripture.

dont you just hate when people take christ out of chrisitmans and put xmas or take chrsit name out of chrisitan and say xtian

well now isn't that completely off topic. However putting X instead of Christ doesn't bother me since X is the Greek Letter in the Alphabet for Christ. Yeah I prefer Christ to be written out but it does nothing to lessen the meaning.

Since the thread is about modesty and not purity. About the way we should dress. I'm not going in the street walker way. And I resent the having to layer to keep from falling out of my shirt. So I'm not buying anything revealing or anything that requires another layer. Especially out here in the high desert where it gets HOT...

As far as the 4 year old goes. Getting a mini skirt for the kid is completely the idiotic choice of the parent. Little girls that age only agree with mommy when mommy says "it's cute". Good grief little girls don't even get the sit like a lady when wearing a dress or skirt no matter what length it is. I always have had my girls wear a little pair of shorts under thier dresses until they get to a point where they care that nobody sees up thier skirts. I want to slap people that bring thier little girls to church in dresses and take them on the playground so they can go down the slide in a dress and it flies up for everyone to see thier undies... I don't want to see anybodies undies but my own...

quote Don't you hate it when someone posts the exact same thing multiple times...

what steps am I taking... quote

If you people woukld answer my question then maybe i would nt have to .

dont you just hate when people take christ out of chrisitmans and put xmas or take chrsit name out of chrisitan and say xtian

Actually, the 'x' is not instead of Christ; it in fact stands for Christ. The Greek letter/word chi means Christ and is abbreviated with the english letter 'x'. This is a common mistake made by a lot of Christians today.

quote Don't you hate it when someone posts the exact same thing multiple times...

what steps am I taking... quote

If you people woukld answer my question then maybe i would nt have to .

if you go back and read you will find that you have quite a few answers to your question. Not everyone on the boards needs, wants, or is required to answer. Now back to the topic at hand which is modestly dressing.

Hey, what do you all think of low-rise jeans w/boxers? I'm not talking about in-your-face look at my boxers, but like occasionally when you do something someone might see your boxers cause you are wearing low-rise jeans. I bring this up cause my sister says girls hate seeing guys boxers.

yer sis is right. we hate when a guy wears the waistband of his jeans around the bottom of his butt cheeks (well, maybe some girls like it, but all the sane ones i know hate it). it's totally disgusting. i personally don't mind so much when your shirt covers your boxers when you're moving normally. if you have to bend over and a little strip of your boxers show, that's ok too, as long as you're not trying to show off the fact that you're wearing spongebob boxers or whatever. :P

dont you just hate when people take christ out of chrisitmans and put xmas or take chrsit name out of chrisitan and say xtian
*coughrabbittrailscough*

lol!


Try this: my little sister stole my big sister's hooker boots... you know, the tall, zip-up high-heel boots... and right when she did that she pranced proudly around the WHOLE TOWN wearing them, making her feel like she was in perfect control with 100% freedom to do whatever she wanted, and even asked for more slutty apparel. Yeah, that situation speaks for itself.

ria - i do that same thing.

yeah the whole 5 inches of boxers showing is gross. I do not want to know what kind of unders you have on darn it all. I do not know a single girl that likes the look.

hey this is a cool thing article i found at relavantmagazine.com

itis an artlicle on modesty so i figured hey why not post it her and get your feedback on it and yes all iof this deals with modesty so its not a rabbittrail





bootylicious and the bible

Meet the third millennial woman. She can speak her mind, attend the best universities and work as a CEO, board member, chairman (or chairwoman), doctor, space aviator or intelligence agent (aka Jennifer Garner in Alias). She is bound by no one and makes her own future.

This attitude is reflected in what she chooses to wear. Low-cut tops, high-cut skirts, hipster jeans, bootylicious and plenty more. We do it because we’re free. And indeed we are.

As a youth pastor I regularly attend conferences, youth concerts and other Christian teen events where I find myself staring at girls with bare bellies, low buntlines, skirts that should be belts with incredibly flirtatious behavior to match. “If you’ve got it, flaunt it!” is what girls are told by media, friends and the like. Would Jesus Christ tell them the same thing?

The Bible says Christ set women free, so shouldn’t they be allowed to wear what fashion dictates? If guys have a lust problem it’s their problem, not mine. I am allowed to do anything – the Bible tells me so!

Here’s what the Bible really tells:

I am allowed to do anything ...

Paul wrote in Romans, when we died with Christ we were set free from the power of sin. That statement was inclusive of both men and women so we can safely say that yes, women are free. But before you go out and buy what Christina Aguilera wore last week you might want to read what Paul also wrote in 1 Corinthians:

You may say, “I am allowed to do anything.” But I reply, “Not everything is good for you.” And even though I am allowed to do anything, I must not become a slave to anything.

Wearing revealing clothing gets attention. Whether it’s wolf-whistles from the building site or raised eyebrows from business suits – baring flesh will attract attention.

Attention makes you feel good. Attention makes you feel special. Getting attention is not bad. Being addicted to it is. You have probably never thought of receiving wolf whistles as a type of addiction, but it is just as powerful as any other.

When you are addicted to attention you rely on it to make you feel good instead of relying on God for security and significance. Instead of looking to God for love and acceptance, wearing immodest clothing can cause you to become a slave to lustful attention and attention based solely on your physical appearance.

“That’s ridiculous,” women may say, but I challenge you to take a closer look at your motivation behind the clothes you wear. Of course you want to look good, but you can look beautiful without flashing your stomach, breasts and legs to the world.

Honor God with your body ...

Christ paid the price for us to be free from the power of sin, addiction and death. Honoring the sacrifice He made is a natural response all believers should have. Even people who don’t know Christ honor the lives of service men and woman each year who have given their lives for our freedom. How much more should we honor God’s sacrifice of eternal life?

Every part of your life can honor Jesus’ death – including your clothing. There is no honor in flaunting what you’ve got. There’s no honor in seduction and sex appeal. But there is honor in a girl with hip clothes, groovy hair and incredible accessories who walks with confidence and speaks words of life. Christians should dress differently than people in the world (and I’m not talking about “Jesus is the reason for the season” t-shirts, as cool and trendy as they are). It doesn’t matter whether friends, the latest Dolly magazine, or even your parents approve of your clothing choices; will it get God’s badge of honor? That thought should guide each shopping spree. Honor God with what you wear on your body. Wear clothing worthy of the price Jesus paid.

But now you are free from the power of sin … do those things that lead to holiness ...

When I try on a new pair of jeans I don’t get down on my knees and ask God if these are the jeans to buy. I might get on my knees and pray I still have enough credit this month on Visa, but never whether the jeans are holy enough. Nor when I wake each morning do I jump out of bed and ask the Holy Ghost what he’d like me to wear that day (believing in faith that he won’t reply “pyjamas” or “the leather jacket bought in 1992” still very reminiscent of the 1980’s which remains in my wardrobe for posterity reasons only). And though with certain shirts, which I intend on wearing in church I will do the “praise the Lord” test (i.e. lift my hands as far up as I can and jump up and down frantically), most clothes are bought without really consulting God all that much. However the Bible tells us that to really display our freedom we need to do things that lead to holiness. Will your clothing lead to holy thoughts in the lives of others? Will your clothing let people know that you are holy as your Heavenly Father is Holy? What you wear should be holy not holey (I had to do it).

So women of the third millennium here’s the deal: become addicted to God’s love and attention, wear whatever will lead you to holiness and above all, wear what will bring honor to God. If it doesn’t match those 3 criteria, it doesn’t belong on the body of a child of God.

So Christ has really set us free. Now make sure that you stay free.





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i was referring to the whole christian/xian christmas/xmas comment as a rabbit trail. not anything else.





and it's really pathetic when little girls try to dress "cool" (aka slutty). Limited Too especially is a store that... ack :-X . it's just bad. if kittygirl (another member here) was around, she'd have a few choice words on Limited Too.... ::]

Hey, I wasn't talking about like 5 inches of boxers or anything! I hate the jeans-as-an-afterthought look as well. Plus, it's retarded when some guy can only use one hand cause the other is busy holding up his pants. I just don't wanna look like some guys I know who wear their jeans over their belly button. I like low-rise but I use a belt too so my jeans actually stay on.

Why is it that people are have tendecy to pick on girls for modesty? Just wondering!Guys have the same problem too.

Two words... DOUBLE STANDARD.

And no I don't feel like getting into a petty little argument with anyone.

I should just quote what I said on my livej, ha... maybe I will later...

If you meant what I think you meant here it comes from some guys on here... and suprisingly enough probably some girls who have been taught the same...

Ehm..


"Guys just can't help themselves blah blah... *plays lil violin* All girls are evil lil whores... blah blah."

Sure, dish out another.

Besides... girls don't have hormones at all, right? HA!

i think girls have a problem with modesty
guys have problem with lust not modesty .
they both go hand in hand it is hard to telll them apart from one another ,

What about a guy with tight jeans, no shirt, tight short shorts, tight shirt, tank top, or a speedo, hmm? Or something like that? Those are revealing.

Do you think that those are modest apparel? Do you think that us girls do not notice??

Come on now. It hoes both ways... lol.... I mean it goes both ways.

nice point

good thoughts your opinion
not mine

respect that

It hoes both ways... lol.... I mean it goes both ways.
Hm? LOL


I know nothing about what a girl thinks about a guy in a speedo, and frankly, if they're thinkin' bad, it's the guy's fault for wearing it; one shouldn't be sexist about modesty. Frankly, I don't WANT to know what a girl thinks about a guy in a speedo (my big sis finds it repulsive, as do I), but I do know about the tight jeans and shirtlessness, and being w/o a shirt turns a girl on, which is not a problem with the girl, but with the guy. Just because guys naturally think that way doesn't make it any different.

Hm? LOL


I know nothing about what a girl thinks about a guy in a speedo, and frankly, if they're thinkin' bad, it's the guy's fault for wearing it; one shouldn't be sexist about modesty. Frankly, I don't WANT to know what a girl thinks about a guy in a speedo (my big sis finds it repulsive, as do I), but I do know about the tight jeans and shirtlessness, and being w/o a shirt turns a girl on, which is not a problem with the girl, but with the guy. Just because guys naturally think that way doesn't make it any different.
;)

Well I personally find it repulsive, too, but do know of many girls/women who do not... :-X I totally agree that one should not be sexist about modesty, it so goes both ways.

;) lol


Well, it's totally understandable, as some women are as visual as men are. I know one PERSONALLY... she's just like a man in that way.

What about a guy with tight jeans, no shirt, tight short shorts, tight shirt, tank top, or a speedo, hmm? Or something like that? Those are revealing.

Do you think that those are modest apparel? Do you think that us girls do not notice??

Come on now. It hoes both ways... lol.... I mean it goes both ways.

Absolutely...Some time ago they got on a few of the women at work for wearing their clothes to tight etc....but we had a guy who would wear tight jeans,bleach and perm his hair and wear his shirts half unbuttoned....and nothing was said to him ???

....but we had a guy who would wear tight jeans,bleach and perm his hair and wear his shirts half unbuttoned....and nothing was said to him ???

Just a quick question. What did his hair have to do with modesty? And yeah, for my money it does go both ways. However for guys its very comfy to wear it immodest because it's so loose, normally. Idk if it's the same way for girls, I'm not one ;D . Anyway, I'm not trying to justify it, I'm just putting that out there too.

^^

Nothing....I just threw that in there ;) ....but one lady made a comment to me...If i was to bleach my hair and dress like that he does ppl would call me a hussy

i think girls have a problem with modesty
guys have problem with lust not modesty .
they both go hand in hand it is hard to telll them apart from one another ,
so, basically, what you're saying is that guys could go around half-naked and no one would care? but girls have to be covered up from their neck to their ankles? and if the guys are lusting because the girl isn't dressed properly, it's the girl's fault, but if the guy's wearing pants that cut off the circulation to his feet and the girl notices, it's the girl's fault too?


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Hey, I wasn't talking about like 5 inches of boxers or anything! I hate the jeans-as-an-afterthought look as well. Plus, it's retarded when some guy can only use one hand cause the other is busy holding up his pants. I just don't wanna look like some guys I know who wear their jeans over their belly button. I like low-rise but I use a belt too so my jeans actually stay on.

good. that's just fine. one just wishes that you could get it thru the thick heads of some people that waistbands are supposed to go above your butt, not below it. ::] :P

^ Yeah, I agree!

Hey, I wasn't talking about like 5 inches of boxers or anything! I hate the jeans-as-an-afterthought look as well. Plus, it's retarded when some guy can only use one hand cause the other is busy holding up his pants. I just don't wanna look like some guys I know who wear their jeans over their belly button. I like low-rise but I use a belt too so my jeans actually stay on.

I know.. but you painted a mental picture in my head... And I just had to say that. As far as them showing at all. Yuck. Cover up you underpants please. Wear a shirt that is long enough so that when you squat down (and guys do sqaut alot) we don't get a undie addy... tuck in your t-shirt if you gotta...Like I said I don't want to know if it's boxers or briefs.... ugh.... And girls one of the tackiest things on earth is the spaghetti strap tank top without a strapless bra. And no dark bras under light tops. Underwear is exactly that; something to be worn under and covered up by your clothes. So when you buy those low-rise pants (guys and girls) make sure your unders stay under and you cracks don't come out.

I know.. but you painted a mental picture in my head... And I just had to say that. As far as them showing at all. Yuck. Cover up you underpants please. Wear a shirt that is long enough so that when you squat down (and guys do sqaut alot) we don't get a undie addy... tuck in your t-shirt if you gotta...Like I said I don't want to know if it's boxers or briefs.... ugh.... And girls one of the tackiest things on earth is the spaghetti strap tank top without a strapless bra. And no dark bras under light tops. Underwear is exactly that; something to be worn under and covered up by your clothes. So when you buy those low-rise pants (guys and girls) make sure your unders stay under and you cracks don't come out.
Amen to that last part. We had a guy in youth group; oh man. And the bad thing was he was like sitting right in the front! So my friend took the congos and put them right behind his chair. That helped. What I do a lot of times (usually) is just wear a white undershirt thats tucked in under my cool shirts.

Even for girls... go to the guys dep. of Wal-mart get the white tank in the package.. [3pair] They will be long for your troso, so cut for your length but just long enough to tuck um in and wear with too short of shirts.

And girls one of the tackiest things on earth is the spaghetti strap tank top without a strapless bra. And no dark bras under light tops.
OMW, i couldn't agree with you more..... my gosh, it's just pathetic... ugh..... some people just don't get the fact that NO ONE FREAKIN CARES WHAT COLOR YER UNDERS ARE!!!!!!!!

Yeah, guys do... a lot. And they love seein' 'em, too.

um.... ew? sorry... it's just pathetic when people do that.... ok, maybe guys notice and care, but you really don't want them to care :o ..... at least not if you have any self-respect at all..... ::]

Now hold on guys i believ3e you guys took what i had said way wrong .modesty and lust or imodesty i should say . its almolst te same they go ahnd in hand it stems from a bad self view both ways for guys an dgirls some of the things you have said about my psot is putting words into my mouth that was never thewre to begin with

goodnite

nobody put words in your mouth. your thoughts led to others thoughts. we're all just sharing our thoughts. we're talking about what we think about modesty not "what does isinginmycar thing about modesty let's find out and twist it up". we all have our own thoughts and ideas. don't take it so personaly. none of us are....

^ I agree. I think you had a good point. Girls struggle more with modesty because guys struggle more with lust. Now, some girls do have a problem with lust as do some guys have a problem with modesty.

Now hold on guys i believ3e you guys took what i had said way wrong .modesty and lust or imodesty i should say . its almolst te same they go ahnd in hand it stems from a bad self view both ways for guys an dgirls some of the things you have said about my psot is putting words into my mouth that was never thewre to begin with

goodnite
i don't think i took what you said wrong. i read it, and i gave my interpretation of it. what i think you said is that girls don't have problems with lust, and guys don't have problems with modesty, and that's the unalterable truth. i just said that i disagreed with that. like skilletosis said, we're not trying to insult you.

I'll just add, for guys it is WAY harder to keep their eyes to themselves b/c gurls tend to dress immodestly, especially now-a-days. Gurls, how would you like to make your "brother in Christ" stumble by wearing a mini skirt or tight tank, or having your bra show? Why? Whats the point other that attention that is full of luist & wouldn't last long anyways? Just something to think about. I'm a modest girl, my best friend is a guy & he keeps me accountable in the area of modesty. If he thinks my outfit it to "draw attention" to myself then he'll let me know. Anways i just thought i should say that there are very cute modest clothes out there. Gurls remember to that we're uh ::coughs:: a lil differ shaped then guys, and it's hard on them when we dress immodestly.

True. Only best said by a woman *bows in respect*

OK, my turn for two cents on Iowan females' modesty.

Misty: She is not only immodest in dress code. She often has actions/words relative to a prostitute from Bible times. At work she dresses in a shirt that has more than the sleeves cut off, so you can see her bra almost all the way. Not only immodest but unsafe for the job.

Tiffany: She wears clothing just fine until it gets hot, where she takes off everything but a tight t-shirt and her usual pair of male boxers... pretty much self-explanitory.

Most of the rest of the female detasselers, the "hot chicks," they wear tight clothing similar to the aforementioned. But Tiff and Misty's had to be mentioned. Also, Chelsea wears a T-shirt that says "I (heart) Lesbians" on some days... and many girls wear white T's, and the fields are always wet in the morning. That says it all.

What I think on modesty; this has probably all been mentioned before, but I'll state what God has laid on my heart. The reason why grls dress imodestly is because they want to fit in or find a bf. But as for Christians it is God's will that we date, and even marry a Christian (2 Corinth. 6:14-15). And if we desire that, us grls want a man who is strong and puts God above ALL, even grls. So as grls and vice versa, we should strengthen and encourage our brothers or sisters to grow and fight for Christ. Through all this and by putting God above the opposite sex, and above feeling desired or lusting, God's will shall be done, and if we don't lust after evil desires, and be patient with great expectations, GOd will bless all of us with a mate that will be so Godly and so much greater than we ever could have found on our own, by looking "hot" or doing things against God's law.

Srry "by not looking 'hot' and doing things against God's law." Need to start proofreading a guess.

Or just edit your post.

Lol, well said Matt.

But what Misty wears is against dress code in my opinion (we have a no-tank tops rule)

I know most of you have been saying things like it's harder for guys to deal with the lust than it is for girls, but at the same time it is still difficult for a lot of girls to deal with lust. I know personallly I've like completely stopped lusting and can't stand people who feel the need to show off their body. Though for the majority of girls, they lust just as much as any guy does.

don't be picking on me. Show me some love people.

That is very true about grls lusting after guys nowadays.It is really sad but true.

no ones picking on you...just pointing out some of your other options

i think modesty is important. it's really hard for s to be modest especially when guys only seem to notice the s running around in string s and mini skirts. many guys out there do only notice s that throw themselves at them but there are other guys that look on the inside.

lust is gender neutral. it is a matter of whether or not we will take the time to be careful with what we put before our eyes/ears/and how we dress.

lust is gender neutral. it is a matter of whether or not we will take the time to be careful with what we put before our eyes/ears/and how we dress.
Thats true, but in this society, "lustful" images are advertised everywhere, they greet motorists on billboards and at bus stops as they drive down the road. Many today don't have a choice about what is placed before their eyes

but we have the choice to look away, or to not take in what we see. it takes practice and a time to get down (something i am just now working on doing) but it can be done. it's still our choice. the only way it wouldn't be our choice is if it was implanted in our brains telepathically, and thankfully advertisers haven't gotten that technilogically advanced. ;)

i'm not saying it's easy; by no means is that true. it's probably one of the hardest things to train your eye to look away. but it's doable.

Yes, I too am doing the same (working on doing that) just lately and I haven't done so badly, I must admit. Two female leaders (one of which Tiffany, other Terri) walked around with only a bra on :o but I wasn't looking... if I was I wasn't even paying attention :P, because I was getting tired. It's easy to lust out there in the cornfield, what, with the inhibitions of the heat and with so many girls willing to wear just about nothing (it's gotta hurt with the corn leaves, but they MUST have their tan line) but I am by far better than last year. Not to say I'm all the way there ::] but I'm on the road.

It's not easy. But it's doable.

Yeah, Mike, you mean kinda like Minority Report taken to the extreme? ;)

Yeah, Mike, you mean kinda like Minority Report taken to the extreme? ;)
kinda yeah. ;) thankfully that won't happen with the Constitution the way it is.

lol, yes, I am very thankful.

aren't there other ways to get a tan line...?

you could just stay inside and be white! that's what i do! :D

yay...me too! heehee....but thats cus i don't tan very much, i just go red then it starts to fade :P but i agree that the lust thing isnt just problem with guys, just most girls arn't as open about it as guys are...well in my experience anyways.

Females are much more emotional. That's why I think its harder for a female to be open about certain things.
Also, I wear at least an SPF 30 if I go to the beach. It's really bad for your skin to get color. I'd really live longer then be beatiful and tan.

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anyway...:)

to get back on topic, since it's the summer, what kind of swimsuits do you consider immodest (this goes for guy's trunks as well)?

For guys, I prefere something that goes at least half way down the thigh, and kind of loose. for girls, the bottom should cover the butt completely, avoid showing cleavage, and (for 2 piece suits) there should be less than 1 inch gap between the top and bottom. I would also suggest that girls may wear a pair of shorts if she is uncomfortable (or has a less than modest bottom piece). And when in doubt, wear a large t-shirt over it (this goes for both guys and girls).

Any other thoughts?

Immodest? All bikinis I am very not fond of. They were made for the tan line (I'm not going there like everyone else, Mike! ;)) and of course to flaunt the figure. Too bad there aren't many girls that WILLINGLY wear a one-piece.

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anyway...:)

to get back on topic, since it's the summer, what kind of swimsuits do you consider immodest (this goes for guy's trunks as well)?
LOL!



and all bikinis are immodest, imo. some tankinis (the kind with the longer top) can be immodest. and some one-pieces can be immodest too, if the legs are cut too high and the front is cut too low. ya gotta shop long and hard if you're gonna find a good swimsuit. :P

but don't ya think that all swimsuits are kina immodest cus they are vey tight and kina hug to the figure so even one piece ones are immodest.....i myself wear i two piece tho its more like shorts and vest type top so everything is covered well....i wud feel too uncomfortable in a bikini :P

hmm i wear a tank kini, but it doesnot show any of my stomach, that only issues, is the top is to big, and the 'chest' has padding to make me look 'larger' so its a lil annoing to have a swimsuit that does not fit, and makes me look bigger in the 'chest'...so yah, and i also have a 2 piece that shows my stomach, but i dont wear it often, but hten i ALSO have a one piece, but i kinda makes me look olderand well 'sexy' so i dont wear it

about the swimsuit thing: i just hate getting into a bathing suit altogether. i dont know y, perhaps its casue of my past, although nothing horrible happened in that arena. oo well, so i stick w/ the one piece. ive never worn a 2-peice & i reely dont want to. im kinda shy w/ that type of thing.



Two female leaders (one of which Tiffany, other Terri) walked around with only a bra on :o

ya, i run cross country & im one of the only girls who doesnt take their shirt off. then they go & flaunt themselves in front of the guys (we all run together) or the football players like they're somethin else. the only time its tempting for me is wen its like 95 degrees & ive only run 3mi which means i have like 3 more to go & the humidity makes u feel sticky & over heated. but i dont...& i will continue not to. i figure u should have to marry me b4 u get to see my bra ;D ;) most def. plus, i want to help u guys out as much as possible even tho im not much to stare @.

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^^^ that's nice of you. lol. i get the same thing too, except in a different sport. seems like some soccer player like to do the same thing too. could it be because of a young-ish guy coach? quite possibly.
i actually wear a tankini type thing with some guy-type swim trunks on the bottom. i feel so much more comfy in them than in a regular one piece. but still, swimsuits suck.

I have this kewl, cute little two-piece :P ;)

and you're a guys so both pieces prolly don't match...:P

I think that it matters, but it's always good to feel good too. People should try to feel good about themselves as long as it doesn't go too far.

I have this kewl, cute little two-piece :P ;)
I bet you do.

I've heard it that girls dress for girls or each other. To me it makes the most sense. [I mean the shallow, "I don't know God yet" kinda girls.]

Heheh...

Modesty is very important to me. One of the first things I notice in somebody is whether or not they're modest, and if they are, I've got a better first impression of them.

The place that's the worst for me is the beach or the pool.
I don't feel self-concious(well, people think I'm anorexic, so then I do)about swim suits, but it's everyone else.
My guys friend made a pact not to go to the beach, unless he's goin with me, or his sister.
It's tempting for guys, but girls have to be held accountable for their actions, just like everyone else.

I'm not just talking about stomach's showing, I'm talking about tightness too.
It looks like being naked, only painted a different color.
And please...no one, no one wants to see your plumber's crack.

I'm not saying to go out, and buy a bunch of baggy clothes, or a wear a sack.
Just wear modest clothes that fit you right.

I used to think to be modest, you had to wear all guys clothes, or buy a size bigger than you actually wear.
I'm not fat either, my problem is finding clothes that fit me right.(I have to find stuff in size 2 that isn't made for a 10 year olds body,or isn't too "adult" looking)

just show modesty, and discernment.

Amen. It's hard enough for guys without girls walkin' around wearing the tightest, tiniest things they can fit into.

yah, well is it really super hard? Cause i have like 2 really tight polo shirts, that well you can see my bra in. I dont wear them often, but should i not wear them at all? I didnt know it was so diffucult for guys.

I would say don't wear them at all. It's really difficult for girls to fins modest clothing, but it's definately worth it for the guys. Before I wasn't very good at covering up and after being saved for about a month some of my guy friends from church had a little conversation with me about modesty. They were very open and spoke freely about how they were struggling with the things I was wearing and they would greatly appreciate it if I choose a different way to dress. You don't have to wear baggy shirts and pants or things that aren't stylish but you need to be very careful. You'll have to look at everything, and take in consideration how big your breasts, or butt is, and if some things would be fine for other girls but not for you. For girls I would suggest taking a christian guy friend shopping with you. You have to trust them, and go shopping with them. Only show them things that you think are modest and ask them if they would struggle if you wore that outfit regularly. Though if you're shy I wouldn't suggest doing this because well, they do have to check you out pretty thoroughly to make sure there's absolutely nothing wrong with the outfit. Anyways, all I'm trying to really say here be careful, and being able to see the bra prolly isn't helpful, along with stomachs showing, or low jeans, or low cut shirts.

it does not show my stomach, but GOOD idea, i might just do that with the whole guy thing, i just need to find a guy first. Lol

lol, it's very helpful if you take a guy along, plus it can be really really fun.

lol, it's very helpful if you take a guy along, plus it can be really really fun.

That brings back so many bad memories...

somehow, I'd always end up going with girls when they wanted to go shopping (mainly because they were the only ones to hang out with at the time). to make things worse, it was usually myself with 3 or more (usually more) girls and they were girly daddy's girls. they would feel sorry for me, but continue shopping.

I would recomend if you are going to get a guy to go shopping with you, give him some rewards. I'm not implying that you should go out with him, but staring at clothes can become dull for a guy. I would say after a while of looking at clothes, take him to GameStop (or the electronics section of a department store) and let him stare at video games for a while so he can recuperate. Then you can get back to shopping for clothes. you can take him back to GameStop when he is starting to look like he's thinking "how did I get myself into this?" Afterwards, get him a soda for his time and input.

But seriously, If you do take a guy shopping, give him some time to do something he's interested in so that he doesn't get burnt out and offer a small reward, like a soda, for spending time doing something that he is not to interested in. That is my idea of what would work from my experiences, at least for me (I probably would buy my own soda, but the offer says enough for me). But be careful not to make it appear to be a date of some sort, maybe bring a female friend too or something like that.

haha, i can relate. ive gone to the mall w/ some school aquaintences & they were nice but they shop @ like A & F, aeropostle, the buckle, ect... theres nothing wrong w/ those stores (xpt that a&f doesnt exactly encourage modesty, but thats another can of worms) but...i just reeeeeely dont shop there. plus, all the worker ppl were looking @ me weird cause i dont dress in a way that...uhh, matches. im not reely punk, i just kinda like the "did u get dressed in the dark?" look sometimes. i felt out numbered so i didnt reely want to ask to go to a store i like. which, now that i think about it, there isnt much i like besides the food court @ the mall. ;D

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yah, I definatly am like yo, i do NOT buy from those stores, i have never even set foot in them. Lol, i would feel so much more comfortable in like a punk store, cause well...i am a punk. So yah, i guess you kind of have to find ppl who like the same style as you thou, or else it can be quiet boring, so yah i dont shop at malls, to preppy (except for hot topic of course)

yah, well is it really super hard? Cause i have like 2 really tight polo shirts, that well you can see my bra in. I dont wear them often, but should i not wear them at all? I didnt know it was so diffucult for guys.

Well, maybe you should wear a long sleeved, or a 3/4 sleeved shirt underneath it, or a zip-up or something, so it's not out in the open....

This sounds like I'm being very judemental, but theres a girl I know who always wears very thin shirts, and you can see her bra.
Every time I see her, it's like that.
So what I've been doing is holding up the shirts to the light, and if I can see through them(and is' not a cardigan, or something you can wear over something)then I put it back.

Yes modesty is important to me.When you dress sexy you are sending a message.If you don't want to be seen as a sex object,then don't advertise your body by trying to get guys to want you sexually.Sound harsh?It's hardly meant to be.Remember....
>>There's no harm in looking good,but Christians are supposed to focus on what's noble,right and pure.See Philippians 4:8.Are you doing that-
or obsessing about looks?Are you helping guys to focus on God--or contributing to them having impure thoughts?
>>If you want to meet a quality guy who loves you for who you are,then don't settle for shallow attention.
>>Think twice about what you're wearing and develop the habit of seeking God's approval-not the stares of guys around you.
I agree with the above words I typed from True Images Bible.These words are soo true and I agree with True Images Bible.God Bless You All and
Remember Purity is important to God! from:GodsRoses

Whaddya girls think of modest for guys?

Modesty is very helpful for guys who struggle/have struggled with lust (including myself).
thats what i was thinking

Whaddya girls think of modest for guys?
Wearing belts, if they don't notice their pants are sagging down to the floor.

Guys can really get annoying with the way they dress. If you can't take 4 steps without holding your patns, maybe that means something. I myself once had jeans that couldn't stay up and they were really annoying, so I don't know about other guys, but I find them silly . . . :D

Yeah that does get annoying...half the time I forget to wear a belt and the entire day I have to pull my pants up every ten seconds >:(. lol It really sucks when you are trying to march :-[.

i think that modesty is very important. as unshakable said, it can help to stop lusting in part. i think that alot of girls dress immodestly just catch guy's eyes. (i'm not saying all girls, just some) i know that i struggle when girls are walking around with hardly anything. Girls need to realize that guys are their (spiritual) brothers and that when they dress that way they are causing us guys to fall.

dont wear pink shirts!! lol just kidding. i think the pink shirt thing is just kinda funny. but really, tight pants as well. theres not too many guys that wear them, but there are some guys @ my school who wear pretty tight jeans where u can see the outline of...things u dont wanna see. icky.

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i think that modesty is very important. as unshakable said, it can help to stop lusting in part. i think that alot of girls dress immodestly just catch guy's eyes. (i'm not saying all girls, just some) i know that i struggle when girls are walking around with hardly anything. Girls need to realize that guys are their (spiritual) brothers and that when they dress that way they are causing us guys to fall.


Ahem... I hate to break this to you but you make yourself fall into that sin by looking at the half naked chic. Its like with any sin we have a choice to do it or not.Same goes for us girls its no diffrent we can either stare and lust or look away. The choice is always there its never force upon us. Its your eyes you can do whatever you want with them.

Good point, but it is so much easier for us guys when our Christian sisters aren't prancing around like tramps. Yes, we can look away...but which is easier, look away, or never have anything to look at?

You can't control what they do but you can control and are accountable for what you do.You see.

Doesn't the Bible talk about helping your Christian brothers and sisters and NOT being a stumbling block for them to trip on in their faith? So it is still partly [a big part] the girls fault for dressing that way and leading weaker Christians astray.

....So it is still partly [a big part] the girls fault for dressing that way and leading weaker Christians astray.

"and leading weaker christians astray" the book of James 1:14 " But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed". It is our own desires that leads us astray we can't blame anyone else. I think the problem is your eyes! STOP LOOKING AT WHAT YOU SHOULDNT. AND YOU KNOW YOU SHOULDN"T! YOU KNOW THIS!

True in the end we are the ones who r sinning and we can't blame the girls but the girls also have a responsibility... you are your brother's keeper and you should be helping us stay pure and not tempting us not to be by dressing inapropriately

Yea they do but were accountable for our own actions.

Every human's heart is filled with lust, newer Christians [notice i say newer Christians, not me] are easily tempted by the devil. My point is that Christian women should not give the devil an opportunity to lead these young men astray. It is still their job to control themselves but Christian women should try and HELP them by dressing modestly and not HINDER them by dressing like they want every guy to want their body.

A christian man shouldn't be lusting He should keep himself in check and christian women need to do the same. Just because she dresses like a tramp doesn't mean she is a tramp. Satan tempted Adam and Eve but they chose to disobey God we know what God wants us to do, we either choose to obey or disobey, do whats right or whats wrong.The choices is ours.

True in the end we are the ones who r sinning and we can't blame the girls


The girls are sinning by not being modest...

So I just learned this really cool thing at a wonderful youth conference I was at today.
"How women dress is kind of like cars...ford and all those companies advertize on tv, but the really nice luxury cars are never advertised, because people who have them KNOW how nice they are, and they don't have to be shown off for people to relize that."
So I guess it's just like dressing...women who are secure in the Lord know that what they have is precious. Maybe not to the world, but it is to God.
Yeah, I just thought that was really neat.

Wow, I like that one, I used it in the "Lust" thread a couple months back lol...its a great metaphor.

that is really neat...thanks for sharing that Katelyn. :)

The girls are sinning by not being modest...
You and newday are both right

So I just learned this really cool thing at a wonderful youth conference I was at today.
"How women dress is kind of like cars...ford and all those companies advertize on tv, but the really nice luxury cars are never advertised, because people who have them KNOW how nice they are, and they don't have to be shown off for people to relize that."
So I guess it's just like dressing...women who are secure in the Lord know that what they have is precious. Maybe not to the world, but it is to God.
Yeah, I just thought that was really neat.


Haven't you seen Cadilac,Jaquar,Lexus and Audi commercials. :) Car companies are in the business to make money what does it have to do with how women dress?

It means you see crappy fords all the time, but how often do you see a Lamborghini in the newspaper? Girls that dress crappy are advertising...and will recieve no good Christian men if all they have is a body. Its called a METAPHOR.

A christian man shouldn't be lusting He should keep himself in check and christian women need to do the same. Just because she dresses like a tramp doesn't mean she is a tramp. Satan tempted Adam and Eve but they chose to disobey God we know what God wants us to do, we either choose to obey or disobey, do whats right or whats wrong.The choices is ours.

I know the choice is ours but we are sinners and we are supposed to help our fellow Christians to stay clean wether guy or girl and satan got in trouble for tempting eve even thought eve was the one who actually took the fruit. So the girls shouldn't be tempting guys with their bodies. they have no excuse if they're Christian to dress inapropriately

^ agreed completely...nicely put

It means you see crappy fords all the time, but how often do you see a Lamborghini in the newspaper? Girls that dress crappy are advertising...and will recieve no good Christian men if all they have is a body. Its called a METAPHOR.

Its a WEAK metaphor.So guys who dress crappy advertise as well? and all girls that dress crappy are ugly? and christian men don't like nice bodies?

wow, that quote is reely good. easier said than done tho...

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I know the choice is ours but we are sinners and we are supposed to help our fellow Christians to stay clean wether guy or girl and satan got in trouble for tempting eve even thought eve was the one who actually took the fruit. So the girls shouldn't be tempting guys with their bodies. they have no excuse if they're Christian to dress inapropriately

but some girls dont dress like that to tempt guys. Yea your right about how christian girls should dress right.

Its a WEAK metaphor.So guys who dress crappy advertise as well? and all girls that dress crappy are ugly? and christian men don't like nice bodies?


You are taking this metaphor and acting like we said "girls that dress crappy are ugly" when in fact i know SEVERAL who aren't ugly that make mistakes when they dress like that. I am in no way saying the guys aren't sinning too...but girls could help...like I said before, its harder to lust if you dont have anything to look at.

And Christian guys still like bodies, but these girls that dress in short tight clothes are making guys ONLY want them for their body, when they should dress modestly and get a guy that wants MORE than their body.

it doesn't matter the reason u do it it still matter's that u are doing it. read 1 corinthians verses 7 to 9 it talks about how even though what u are doing might not be wrong it is still something u should not do if it causes your brother (fellow Christian) to stumble so even if u dress like that not wanting guys to lust, the fact is, that guys will and you're tempting them to do it and u shouldn't be, sorry i'm probly sounding a bit mean here i really didn't mean too i'm not trying to bash u or anything so i'm really sorry if i offend u

sorry that was a reply to the post from aliengurl... and sorry again if offened anyone

like I said before, its harder to lust if you dont have anything to look at.

You shouldn't be looking, thats what it comes down to. Its how you handle the temptation. And im thru with this topic I made my point. Stop looking,Stop dressing dirty, and Goodnight everybody. :)

sorry that was a reply to the post from aliengurl... and sorry again if offened anyone


It didn't offend me, I know better. :)

I knew there was a passage about being a stumbling block I just couldnt't remember where lol...thank you for posting that newday.

^^ you're welcome

it can be hard too because some girls honestly do not know it is wrong. i mean, you look and some moms are out there dressing like their daughters and encouraging them to "advertise" (if you will).

Perhaps it would be better to show a parallel, Instaid of Lust we'll use Alcoholism.

"William" was an alcoholic, but he has been away from alcohol for several months now but there is still the temptation within. "William" was hanging out with some friends at a resturant. One of his friends orders a beer. "William" can smell the beer, and it brings back the strong desire for alcohol.

(just to prevent christian and alcohol argument... this assumes the stance that moderate drinking is acceptable, as in 1 beer on occation. I'm not condoning it nor am I condeming it here, just using it as an example.)

Was it wrong for the friend to drink? Unless he knew about, he could have a clear conscience about it (although he probably should have asked if it would bother anyone...). but he still created a stumbling block for "William" and made it more difficult for "William" to stay pure of alcohol.

I'd say that there are a majority of guys who struggle with lust on some level, and a lot of guys would admit that. Would it be right for a girl to dress in something less then modest knowing that there is a good possibility that her clothing could cause someone to struggle?

There is the saying "you can't please everyone", so I will admit that there are some guys who will "evaluate" you even in the most modest apparel. In my oppinion, you aren't giving them a stumbling block because they have already fallen. I had this argument with Buckus a while back (maybe as far back as the Alien Youth Boards).

You shouldn't be looking, thats what it comes down to. Its how you handle the temptation. And im thru with this topic I made my point. Stop looking,Stop dressing dirty, and Goodnight everybody. :)

You have to try and understand that it's NOT that easy for them. s don't think like guys. Guys ARE tempted by what they see, whether they like it or not. Yes, they can choose to look away, but it doesn't mean that they are not tempted. It would be a heck of a lot easier if a lot of women would just put some more clothes on.

You have to try and understand that it's NOT that easy for them. s don't think like guys. Guys ARE tempted by what they see, whether they like it or not. Yes, they can choose to look away, but it doesn't mean that they are not tempted. It would be a heck of a lot easier if a lot of women would just put some more clothes on.


Guys are tempted by their thoughts and their desires thats why they look. Even if theres nothing to look at they will make something up to satisify the thought. These guys are trying to jusify checking women out and blaming the women. Christians need to be held accountable for their actions and not try to pass blame on someone else.

In no way am I passing blame from myself, so don't even think that I don't blame myself when I lust. I used to struggle with lusting and all that but I got away from it after CIY. Now my issue the girls that ARE sinning by dressing immodestly [sp?] and the HINDERING the guys' [my] Christian walk. Both parties [the luster and the immodest woman] are sinning, BUT if the woman would have picked better clothes then maybe the guy wouldn't have lusted, saving both of them from sinning like that. I'm not saying perverted guys won't lust if you are modest, I'm saying the Christian guys will have an easier time with getting away from their lustful desires.

I'm not going to say that modest clothes will stop Lust, nor am I going to say that Immodest clothes are the cause of lust. Yes, there is a large portion of lust that in the mind/heart. But for guys, there is still the visual stimulation which can entice their lust. There are some guys who are so entangled in lust that they will lust after a girl even if she's modestly dressed, and there are some guys who have no struggle at all, they could be at a bikini competition and not have the slightest hint of lust on their minds (a bit of an exageration...). But for the majority of the guys who struggle with lust, modest clothing helps and immodest causes stumbling blocks.

The guy who lusted has the greater offense, but the immodest girl still committed an offense. Yes, guys should have the self-control to ignore the immodesty and overcome the lust, but we still have a sin nature that haunts us and can make us weak. Sometimes the immodest clothes can leave a foothold in the guy's mind that could make harder to resist the thoughts, because not every time will a guy start lusting while he's looking at the girl. There have been times that I was hanging out with girls who were dressed kind of immodestly, and later I'd be tempted with the images of the girls I was hanging out with a few hours before.

I'm not saying that dressing immodestly forces guys to sin, but it often causes stumbling blocks for guys who have/are struggling with lust. Would you want to be held accountable for the way you dressed and the temptations that you put on guys because of it? If you dress modest, you are blameless, but if you aren't dressing modestly, sooner or later you will cause a stumbling block for someone.

Nicely put. I will agree with ^^this guy.

I agree and as for the guys I'm going to say...when you go out and it gets hot out, don't take your shirt off. Girls have to deal with the heat too, suck it up and keep the shirt on. I don't really struggle with lust, but it's still bugs me when guys take their shirts off.

Nicely put. I will agree with ^^this guy.

I couldn't have said it better myself, agent_c68!

And also, those girls who dress immodestly are forming a negative reputation for themselves, whether or not their actions reflect their outfits. If someone, guy OR girl, sees someone dressed immodestly, then they are more likely to think badly of that person (whether or not it's "right" or "wrong" to think that way). So you have to ask yourself when you put on clothes, does this glorify God, or would someone who saw me wearing this be surprised if they found out I was a Christian?

I'm not going to say that modest clothes will stop Lust, nor am I going to say that Immodest clothes are the cause of lust. Yes, there is a large portion of lust that in the mind/heart. But for guys, there is still the visual stimulation which can entice their lust. There are some guys who are so entangled in lust that they will lust after a girl even if she's modestly dressed, and there are some guys who have no struggle at all, they could be at a bikini competition and not have the slightest hint of lust on their minds (a bit of an exageration...). But for the majority of the guys who struggle with lust, modest clothing helps and immodest causes stumbling blocks.

The guy who lusted has the greater offense, but the immodest girl still committed an offense. Yes, guys should have the self-control to ignore the immodesty and overcome the lust, but we still have a sin nature that haunts us and can make us weak. Sometimes the immodest clothes can leave a foothold in the guy's mind that could make harder to resist the thoughts, because not every time will a guy start lusting while he's looking at the girl. There have been times that I was hanging out with girls who were dressed kind of immodestly, and later I'd be tempted with the images of the girls I was hanging out with a few hours before.

I'm not saying that dressing immodestly forces guys to sin, but it often causes stumbling blocks for guys who have/are struggling with lust. Would you want to be held accountable for the way you dressed and the temptations that you put on guys because of it? If you dress modest, you are blameless, but if you aren't dressing modestly, sooner or later you will cause a stumbling block for someone.


I agree,if a guy doesn't learn how to deal with his lustful passions sooner or later he will stumble.

I agree,if a guy doesn't learn how to deal with his lustful passions sooner or later he will stumble.

There was more to it then that.

In a way, Immodesty is a tease. You are showing them something that they want but shouldn't have yet.

Let's say your friend can't have chocolate for a week, for some medical reason. Does it help your friend when you flaunt a bar of chocolate in front of him? Does the reminder of what he is missing help him get over it. He may have the self-control to not go out an eat a bar of chocolate until the time comes, but it makes it harder for him to stay dedicated.

The same is true with lust and modesty. A guy's "desires" should be kept for his wife. When girls around the guy keep flaunting their bodies by wearing immodest clothes it makes it harder for him to wait. It won't be that the first time he sees immodesty that he falls, but it puts a burden on him every time that he sees it.

If no one struggled with lust, then there would be no need for modesty. But as things are, a lot of guys struggle with lust and you should not be relying on them to "deal with it" so you can wear what ever you want.

So are you going to help your brothers in Christ and dress modestly or are you going to tease them and make it harder to wait?

Let's say your friend can't have chocolate for a week, for some medical reason. Does it help your friend when you flaunt a bar of chocolate in front of him? Does the reminder of what he is missing help him get over it. He may have the self-control to not go out an eat a bar of chocolate until the time comes, but it makes it harder for him to stay dedicated.



Awesome comparison.

There was more to it then that.

In a way, Immodesty is a tease. You are showing them something that they want but shouldn't have yet.

Let's say your friend can't have chocolate for a week, for some medical reason. Does it help your friend when you flaunt a bar of chocolate in front of him? Does the reminder of what he is missing help him get over it. He may have the self-control to not go out an eat a bar of chocolate until the time comes, but it makes it harder for him to stay dedicated.

The same is true with lust and modesty. A guy's "desires" should be kept for his wife. When girls around the guy keep flaunting their bodies by wearing immodest clothes it makes it harder for him to wait. It won't be that the first time he sees immodesty that he falls, but it puts a burden on him every time that he sees it.

If no one struggled with lust, then there would be no need for modesty. But as things are, a lot of guys struggle with lust and you should not be relying on them to "deal with it" so you can wear what ever you want.

So are you going to help your brothers in Christ and dress modestly or are you going to tease them and make it harder to wait?


This post is not about how I dress,I dress modestly, and everybody agrees that women should dress right.The point is that a guy has the choice to either lust or not to lust. To look or not to look. He is accountable for his actions.Every guy knows that lusting can eventually lead to full blown sin and yet they still do it. They are without excuse. God is not going to hold anybody else accountable for someone's sin. He's not going to say "your sins are forgiven my son because she made you lust."

Everybody is accountable for their actions,lustful dudes and half naked chics as well.Immodesty is a tease only if you look.