Pretendeavor
04-01-2006, 04:33 PM
who here likes marilyn manson? I DO! i like "the Love Song" and "Sweet Dreams (Are Made Of These)", "Personal Jesus".

disciple
04-01-2006, 04:35 PM
"The Beautiful People" is a favorite of mine.

Pretendeavor
04-01-2006, 04:36 PM
"The Beautiful People" is a favorite of mine.
ahh yes i forgot to add that song ot my lsit i love that song!

FromTheInside
04-01-2006, 04:41 PM
Very, Very good musician.

cinnamonxspider
04-01-2006, 04:41 PM
yeah i love the cover of sweet dreams. it's awesome.

i used to be REALLY into that type of music, but then again, i was a really big freak.

come to think of it, i still am.

okay, back on topic. marilyn manson: total freak, great musician.

bob
04-01-2006, 04:45 PM
Is panheads.org really an appropriate place to create a thread about a blasphemous musician?

Pretendeavor
04-01-2006, 04:48 PM
Is panheads.org really an appropriate place to create a thread about a blasphemous musician?
if u dont like a band at all than dont post in the bands thread.

aliengurl7
04-01-2006, 04:48 PM
If its music they like why not.... its not hurting nobody. We also have a thread about NIN's ...so why would this be any different?

bob
04-01-2006, 04:53 PM
Okay, fine. Let me ask this question: Should Christians listen to Manson? If so, why?

terrasin
04-01-2006, 04:53 PM
I love his remakes. He does very well doing them without totally messing up the songs.

CJ

Pretendeavor
04-01-2006, 04:57 PM
Okay, fine. Let me ask this question: Should Christians listen to Manson? If so, why?
if manson doesnt make them stumbel than yes its okay. and why because the can listen to him if the want to.

bob
04-01-2006, 04:59 PM
if manson doesnt make them stumbel than yes its okay. and why because the can listen to him if the want to.

So lyrics like

I'm not a slave to a god
That doesn't exist
I'm not a slave to a world
That doesn't give a s--t

are truly enlightening lyrics that Christians should listen to? Interesting.

terrasin
04-01-2006, 05:00 PM
Okay, fine. Let me ask this question: Should Christians listen to Manson? If so, why?
It really depends on the person. If a person, such as myself, can listen to such music without having it effect them as a person, their relationship with God, their actions or thoughts, than it's not really an issue.

I personally find his music refreshing honesty and reality compared to a lot of other bands out there. It really makes you think.

That and I love the style of music.

I find too many Christians blast and protest him without even hearing the music or reading the lyrics. They just gather their holy shields and tell everyone "STAY AWAY"!

CJ

aliengurl7
04-01-2006, 05:00 PM
Okay, fine. Let me ask this question: Should Christians listen to Manson? If so, why?
well of course not, but its their choice of music i can't say just because they listen to manson they'll burn in hell because im not one to say. Leave that to God don't judge people by anything.

Pretendeavor
04-01-2006, 05:01 PM
So lyrics like



are truly enlightening lyrics that Christians should listen to? Interesting.


im not saying the hsould listen to them im just saying if the want to and it doesnt make them stumbel its okay and baiscly what CJ said.

bob
04-01-2006, 05:02 PM
Leave that to God don't judge people by anything.

I never said I was judging anybody.

disciple
04-01-2006, 05:02 PM
Well, those lyrics are true for me, because I'm not a slave to a god that doesn't exist, nor am I slave to this world.

Isildur9473
04-01-2006, 05:02 PM
I'll listen to the music I want to listen to.

Didn't Anne Lennox do Sweet Dreams...? Or did Manson just do a cover?

aliengurl7
04-01-2006, 05:03 PM
I never said I was judging anybody.
Ok cool then let them be.

Pretendeavor
04-01-2006, 05:04 PM
I'll listen to the music I want to listen to.

Didn't Anne Lennox do Sweet Dreams...? Or did Manson just do a cover?
manson just did an amazeing cover of it.

bob
04-01-2006, 05:05 PM
Ok cool then let them be.

Yeah, I pretty much determined that i've received all the useful information I can in this thread.

aliengurl7
04-01-2006, 05:09 PM
you gotta get it from somewhere...

Isildur9473
04-01-2006, 10:59 PM
manson just did an amazeing cover of it.

Ahh, ok, that's what I thought.

viciousvelvet
04-02-2006, 12:16 AM
I think people forget that the entire idea behind a concert is to put on a rock SHOW. Who he is on stage is an entirely different person than who he is OFF of the stage. It's all about the marketing. He knows what people want and he gives it to them. I don't know the man personally so I can't say anything about his beliefs or character. All I know is his music and what he says on stage. Don't believe everything you hear or see in the entertainment industry as truth. It all boils down to just that- entertainment. And money, of course. Heck, it's his job. ::] I think it's kind of ridiculous when people refuse to acknowledge amazing musical talents because of contrasting beliefs. He is an amazing musician. To all of you christians, I'd do a little research before you start with the condemnation.

Maddog
04-02-2006, 06:24 AM
yah i dont think Christians should listen to someone like him, there are at least two verses in the Bible that make me think that way

bob
04-02-2006, 09:18 AM
Okay, let me just point out something funny here. There are no christians in this thread bashing the man and everyone is getting defensive. Calm down everyone.

animeraven34
04-02-2006, 09:31 AM
Okay, let me just point out something funny here. There are no christians in this thread bashing the man
Hmmmmm....
Is panheads.org really an appropriate place to create a thread about a blasphemous musician?

bob
04-02-2006, 09:33 AM
How is that bashing?

disciple
04-02-2006, 12:07 PM
I think he's a musical genious, like Trent Reznor, and so on.

skilletfreak101
04-02-2006, 06:12 PM
im sry but i have to say this...marilyn manson is an idiot. he just puts on a show so he can make millions of dollars. actually tho, he's probably one of the smartest secular people out there. i mean, he thanked churches for advertising against him because that just made his sales go up. but anyway...im not saying i think secular music is "bad" or w/e...but i don't have any respect for this guy because everything he sings about and does on stage is an act...there's really no power in his music...it's all about the money. i really don't really have respect for any bands/artists who are in the industry for fame and money.

Isildur9473
04-02-2006, 06:48 PM
im sry but i have to say this...marilyn manson is an idiot. he just puts on a show so he can make millions of dollars. actually tho, he's probably one of the smartest secular people out there. i mean, he thanked churches for advertising against him because that just made his sales go up. but anyway...im not saying i think secular music is "bad" or w/e...but i don't have any respect for this guy because everything he sings about and does on stage is an act...there's really no power in his music...it's all about the money. i really don't really have respect for any bands/artists who are in the industry for fame and money.

What's so wrong with people in the industry for fame and money? What's the point of the "OMG INDIE ROCK/WE CAN'T LISTEN TO THEM CUZ THEY WANT TO MAKE A VERY COMFORTABLE LIVING" mindset? I mean, just because a certain artist is in the industry for the money doesn't change the fact that they might be a very good band....

animeraven34
04-02-2006, 07:47 PM
im sry but i have to say this...marilyn manson is an idiot. he just puts on a show so he can make millions of dollars. actually tho, he's probably one of the smartest secular people out there. i mean, he thanked churches for advertising against him because that just made his sales go up. but anyway...im not saying i think secular music is "bad" or w/e...but i don't have any respect for this guy because everything he sings about and does on stage is an act...there's really no power in his music...it's all about the money. i really don't really have respect for any bands/artists who are in the industry for fame and money.
That's a little bit more insightful than "he's blasphemous". But have you never heard of Shock Rock? Glam rock? Rob Zombie? Alice Cooper? Ring any bells? It's all about theatrics when these guys go on tour.

cinnamonxspider
04-02-2006, 07:49 PM
yeah...i agree with greg on this one. i mean, if you have the ability to make a lot of money, then why not do it? look at green day. they were making probably enough money all through the 90s, then they had a chance to get a big break a few years back and took it. we can all chastise them for "selling out", but in the end, how many of you could honestly say that you wouldn't jump at the chance to make some more money? as much as i dislike the fact: money does make the world go 'round.

as far as mr. manson goes, he doesn't just sing about nothing...he does have a message...it's really basically a message of anger and hatred, but it's his message nonetheless. i find that he basically uses his individualism to sell his message. does that make a little sense at least?

404not_found
04-02-2006, 09:41 PM
Musical genious he is but I will not support him myself. Many of his songs and his concerts are quite offensive. Even on the front page of his website theres a picture of two naked women coverd in blood. And I don't care what kind of person he is off the stage, the image on stage is the image he's selling. Like Cradle of Filth... I'd like Cradle of Filth and all but I'm sorry I'm not going to be supporting or listening to a band that puts out albums like "I F-ed the Virgin Marry and hung the b*****d Christ"

Anyway, that's my opinion. I have no problem with people just playing for money though. And I don't have a problem with other people listening to him if they wish but I wont, musical genious or not.

viciousvelvet
04-02-2006, 10:01 PM
Hehe. Getting mad at a musician for "doing it for the money" is like getting mad at any other business man that expects you to pay for his services. Funny stuff. People DO have to make a living, contrary to popular belief. ;)

Dreaiscoolio
04-03-2006, 10:12 AM
It really depends on the person. If a person, such as myself, can listen to such music without having it effect them as a person, their relationship with God, their actions or thoughts, than it's not really an issue.

CJ

Couldnt have said it any better, I dont listen, but I do feel bad for him after watching "Bowling for Columbine"

disciple
04-04-2006, 02:29 PM
Hehe. Getting mad at a musician for "doing it for the money" is like getting mad at any other business man that expects you to pay for his services. Funny stuff. People DO have to make a living, contrary to popular belief. ;)
Exactly! I was going to point out this:


I love writing my novel, I enjoy it a lot and I can't wait for the end result. But when people get mad at me because I want them to actually buy my book when it comes out, I have to remind them that the idea of me getting it published revolves around the ideal of making money, as well as getting people to read the completed works. If I go out and buy my own book for people, how am I making money? I'm not.

Just a money-making example.

terrasin
04-04-2006, 03:12 PM
Exactly. I find it funny when people say I'm in music for the money. Of course I am! Granted, I love what I do and I would still be doing it if I wasn't planning on doing it fulltime. But this is my career and I need to be able to pay my bills and put food on the table and buy my 50,000 acres of land. ;) Of course I expect to be payed for entertaining others.

DustinRocks
04-04-2006, 03:53 PM
His Depeche Mode cover is alright. John 5 his guitarist is amazing. Check his solo cd out.

should christians watch rated-R movies, curse, make fun of the their friends, look at pornography, make out with others, spend 12 hours a day on myspace, get angry in traffic, play violent video games? just my opinion.

He's a total weird dude and preaches things I don't agree with. I would never buy his cd so I stream it online or buy it from i-tunes that way he gets nothing.

disciple
04-04-2006, 03:54 PM
should christians watch rated-R movies, curse, make fun of the their friends, look at pornography, make out with others, spend 12 hours a day on myspace, get angry in traffic, play violent video games? just my opinion.
You sound exactly like my Children's Bible.

DustinRocks
04-04-2006, 03:54 PM
Alice Cooper got a degree presented to him by my pastor. good dude right there.

DustinRocks
04-04-2006, 04:01 PM
I'm just saying we all do things off that list so whats wrong with listening to whatever the hell you want to. Don't bash on kids for liking music.

Pretendeavor
04-04-2006, 04:01 PM
His Depeche Mode cover is alright. John 5 his guitarist is amazing. Check his solo cd out.

should christians watch rated-R movies, curse, make fun of the their friends, look at pornography, make out with others, spend 12 hours a day on myspace, get angry in traffic, play violent video games? just my opinion.

He's a total weird dude and preaches things I don't agree with. I would never buy his cd so I stream it online or buy it from i-tunes that way he gets nothing.
i spend 12 hours a day on myspace!! is that a freaking sin?!!!!!

DustinRocks
04-04-2006, 04:02 PM
it's an idol.

disciple
04-04-2006, 04:05 PM
it's an idol.
...what? So, you're saying updating a blog and talking to other people is worshipping a false god?

Pretendeavor
04-04-2006, 04:06 PM
it's an idol.
well im gonna be nice and respect what you think. but i think myspace isnt an idol is called trying to make new friends and staying in touch with your friends.

Heri Altariel
04-04-2006, 04:09 PM
it's an idol.

I guess Panheads could be considered an idol too. Socializing with people and staying on it for quite a while. Checking it at least once every day...

Tsk, tsk, tsk.

DustinRocks
04-04-2006, 04:25 PM
As christians what should be our number 1. Myspace has become has become and idol to much of todays youth. I ahve amyspace I check once a week for keeping in touch with old friend but when you spend half your life "lurking" it gets weird.

DustinRocks
04-04-2006, 04:29 PM
...what? So, you're saying updating a blog and talking to other people is worshipping a false god?


If you are spending 12 hours a day your are definitely putting that above your relationship with Christ.

disciple
04-04-2006, 04:29 PM
(I never said I did, that's something to take up elsewhere.)

What would you rather do? Pick up an actually harmful habit, or post/read up on there 6/7 days of the week to keep up with friends you have no other means of communication with?

If I didn't have a MySpace, no one would know how I'm doing. Yeah, I post on here just as often, but I'm not telling anyone how I'm doing.

This is getting way off topic.

DustinRocks
04-04-2006, 04:31 PM
If msyapce is your life I say that spells pathetic. not directed at anyone. Cell phones,email,and AIM still exist.

Pretendeavor
04-04-2006, 04:43 PM
If msyapce is your life I say that spells pathetic. not directed at anyone. Cell phones,email,and AIM still exist.


dude aim can be a habit to as well so do me a favor shut up and stay on topic.

bob
04-04-2006, 05:47 PM
This is getting way off topic.

I've noticed. ::]

DustinRocks
04-05-2006, 10:01 AM
dude aim can be a habit to as well so do me a favor shut up and stay on topic.

Temper Temper...

Isildur9473
04-05-2006, 10:44 AM
I realized that I've made a horrible mistake. I don't use MySpace very much, but I do always wear clothing. I would never be without it, in essence, I'm always 'using' clothing. Therefore, I'm putting it above my relationship with Christ. I'm also breathing air, I've become dependant on it, I practically worship it since it sustains my life!

DustinRocks
04-05-2006, 11:01 AM
we're over this I thought. Chill broseph.

Isildur9473
04-05-2006, 03:24 PM
we're over this I thought. Chill broseph.

I'm already chilled, chilled like serving of the soft nature, "soft serve".

viciousvelvet
04-06-2006, 12:32 AM
And we're getting on Manson's case for his hostility? Take a look at the hostility in this thread ;)

DustinRocks
04-06-2006, 09:54 AM
Dude I got John 5 telecaster on order.

terrasin
04-09-2006, 03:23 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dE2ZB_uHfRw&search=Marilyn%20Manson

Manson on Bill O'Riley.
He explains a lot of what he does and why. It's actually very good. :)

CJ

viciousvelvet
04-09-2006, 04:04 PM
Good interview. Thanks for posting that. :)

I thought it was funny how the interviewer questioned Brian about affecting little children everywhere. Apparently children only have the opportunity to listen to manson and don't have the opportunity to get their hands on R rated movies, nor do they have the opportunity to watch graphic violence on the news. Good points were brought up though.

disciple
04-09-2006, 05:25 PM
Yes, thanks much for posting the interview, it was a good one. It loaded nicely on my computer, which is a refreshing change from the norm. It's good to see he's had an opportunity to explain things for people. :)

DrummerGurl4God
04-11-2006, 04:45 PM
i dis-like him im not going to say hate because i dont hate people except the devil whuch isnt a person well anyway manson is a demon worshiper and i dont like him i agree with Bob about this situation

disciple
04-11-2006, 04:47 PM
i dis-like him im not going to say hate because i dont hate people except the devil whuch isnt a person well anyway manson is a demon worshiper and i dont like him i agree with Bob about this situation
Dude, listen to the interview CJ posted last page, and read some of our posts. I'm not saying you have to like him, not at all, but that is a big misinterpretation of his appearance and his music.

skilletfreak101
04-11-2006, 06:55 PM
i think he really needs to acknowledge that his music actually is corrupting alot of people in society....he did have a few good things to say i'll admit but he's just very mislead....

Isildur9473
04-11-2006, 06:58 PM
i think he really needs to acknowledge that his music actually is corrupting alot of people in society....he did have a few good things to say i'll admit but he's just very mislead....

Corrupting by our standards, not other peoples. :\

terrasin
04-11-2006, 07:04 PM
Corrupting by our standards, not other peoples. :\
And if we haven't noticed lately, we're the minority. LOL

CJ

FromTheInside
04-11-2006, 07:11 PM
I want to meet him. =P

Maddog
05-07-2006, 01:42 PM
well im gonna be nice and respect what you think. but i think myspace isnt an idol is called trying to make new friends and staying in touch with your friends.
nothing becomes an idol till it is placed before God