timmyrotter
04-17-2006, 05:40 PM
hey have you guys heard about the Duke Lacrosse Rape aligations? pretty much there was a party and some people from the team were there, they had a stripper. and she cried rape, no one confessed, DNA tests were taken, no matches... now the big news staions are playing the RACE card, cause the players were white, and the stripper was black... stupid media...

what do you think?

Isildur9473
04-17-2006, 05:43 PM
That they should still look into it, and the investigating authorities should make an unbiased decision.

timmyrotter
04-17-2006, 05:46 PM
sounds good to me...

unshakeable15
04-17-2006, 06:34 PM
now the big news staions are playing the RACE card, cause the players were white, and the stripper was black... stupid media...
How are they playing the race card? What are they doing?

timmyrotter
04-17-2006, 06:37 PM
read the original post, whites and blacks

unshakeable15
04-17-2006, 07:28 PM
Yes, i gathered that when i read it the first time. But what is the "race card" being used for? Maybe it'd just be easier if there was a link to a news article.

alorian
04-17-2006, 08:05 PM
Yes, let's see a link. I hope that they make an informed, unbiased decision.

timmyrotter
04-17-2006, 08:52 PM
okay, this story has been going for a couple weeks. and on the news tonight they(cbs) were specifically pointing out that white lacrosse players raped a black woman, i dont have any articles relating to the race part. but that is what i am frustrated about, the media is trying to play it as partially a racial issue by pointing out the diffent races involved... stories.original story (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/03/29/sportsline/main1449886.shtml) 2 players indited (http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/8768544/detail.html?rss=bos&psp=news) More DNA tests (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12273802/from/RSS/)

amodman
04-17-2006, 10:20 PM
Ya, I heard a speech on this (for class), actually, lol. Basically I guess some media sources are saying it's some sort of a white aggression against a blak girl...or something. Hell if I know. Bottom line - guys got demons, girl got raped, period.

somasoul
04-18-2006, 04:59 AM
How have they been playing the race card?

Let's see:

The black stripper accused the white players of calling her racist names after the party.

Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson have backed the stripper and not just accused the players of committing the crime, but said they had done it. When asked what fi the players didn't do it they replied that something definetly happened.

The media has blown the whole thing into Rich Whites vs. Poor Blacks. The crime itself has taken a back seat toward the larger issue of race and class.

It's despicable.

timmyrotter
04-18-2006, 07:40 AM
Tim were you being sarcastic? i cant tell... anyways, if Jesse Jackson is crying racist then you gotta know that its overdone! he cried racism when Katrina hit! it was just Bush bashing, but we all know John Kerry would have stoped Katrina with a leaf blower!

asparagus
04-18-2006, 08:10 AM
timmyrotter,
When a black woman accuses white men of raping her, this does not mean that she is playing the race card. I don't know what about this case makes you think she is playing the race card.

Vaginal and anal scaring? That's her crying race?

Hours after the alledged rape, one player who was at the party wrote an email to his teammates saying that he was going to invite some more "strippers to his dorm room and then 'I plan on killing the b****es as soon as they walk in and and proceeding to cut their skin off.'

In language too graphic to reveal, Mcfadyen adds that he would find the act of mutilating the strippers sexually satisfying." —FoxNews

I think it is outright ludicrous that you then suggest that these accusations are made just because she's black. Please, I think it's very unwise for any of us to rush to judgement on this.

Reeper
04-18-2006, 11:47 AM
K. Here we go. While I agree that the witness may not be playing the race card. That doesn't mean the media isn't. That is what Timmy said. He said the media is playing the race card, and I agree they are.

As far as the scarring, there are time stamped photos from the party that show that the woman was injured before she arrived at the party.

With the e-mail, well, some people are weird and a little sick. However, McFayden is not even one of the players that was arrested.

At least one of the two arrested was not even at the party. The arrests were made on the basis of photo identification, not exactly the most reliable form.

The story that I have heard and sounds the most credible to me based on the evidence given, is this. The stripper was at the party, the guys on the lacrosse team told her to leave and refused to pay her. She then refused to leave and caused a big stink, so the players physically threw her out, which would explain the "defensive" wounds she had. As I already stated time-stamped photos show she already had the other injuries before she arrived.

I think everyone in this case leapt to conclusions much to fast. Conclusions that resulted in the suspension of the lacrosse teams season and the resignation of their coach. I think that people like you Alex should stop jumping to the defense of the "victim" and look objectively at the case.

The other thing that annoys me about this case and its exposure by the media is the fact that the term "lacrosse player" has now become a dirty word. As a lacrosse player I can say that lacrosse is a sport of honor and sportsmanship. While the guys on Duke's lacrosse team may have been idiots at times (some have been arrested for other crimes such as underage drinking and public urination) that does not mean that all lacrosse players are that way. I saw somewhere that the President of Duke has launched an investigation into "lacrosse culture." That is the most rediculous thing I have ever heard. Lacrosse didn't make anyone do anything.

Peace

asparagus
04-18-2006, 07:28 PM
As far as the scarring, there are time stamped photos from the party that show that the woman was injured before she arrived at the party. As far as the scarring??? These aren't medical photos of vaginal and anal scarring...I doubt they're anything close to that. I mean, do you call that consentual sex? I sure hope not. I certainly don't.

With the e-mail, well, some people are weird and a little sick. However, McFayden is not even one of the players that was arrested.A little sick? The worst parts of the letter they wouldn't even release.

I think that people like you Alex should stop jumping to the defense of the "victim" and look objectively at the case.

Look at the posts before mine. Her side of the story hadn't been told. I told it. I didn't say it was true, I didn't say I believed it. I just presented it because I didn't think the previous posts had been fair to her.

Please don't say I was jumping to anything. I concluded my post by saying, "It's unwise for any of us to rush to judgment on this."

I didn't start this thread. I don't think any of us know the facts of the case—-the case hasn't even gone to trial yet. But since this can of worms has been opened, and since no one had given her side of the story, I think it was fair for me to present it. Tim Rotter's articles neglected some key information that I decided to present. I don't think that is "jumping to the defense of the victim." I'm not accusing you of jumping to the defense of the lacross team, so I don't think your accusation of me is fair.

Reeper
04-18-2006, 08:01 PM
K. First off, you didn't tell her side of the story. Her story has nothing to do with what one member of the team who has not even been indicted said in an e-mail. That is simply character assassination used by the defense to try and then imply that all the players at the party were in that same mindset.

As far as the pictures, I'm not sure what you were saying. The point was that she had the scars before the party. Whether or not it means she was raped is inconsequential. What it does mean is that she did not get those scars, therefore was not raped, at the party.

As far as my use of the word little, I was being sarcastic. If that guy wasn't joking then he seriously needs help.

Finally you may have concluded your post by saying that we shouldn't jump to any conclusions, however the entire tone of your post, and even your response to my post, certainly seemed to be defending the victim. I agree we shouldn't jump to any conclusions but should look objectively at the evidence, and right now the evidence is pointing in the direction that the "victim" is fabricating this entire thing. I think that is a fair accessment at this point in time, whether or not it makes the "victim" look good or not. Your "telling of the 'victim's' side of the story" by ruling out the photos cause they are not medical photos, and by showing the character of McFayden, certainly imply defense. If it was not meant I apologize. Understand your statements are equivalent to those that are jumping to her defense, so it is easy to see how I made the conclusion that you were as well. However, how bout rather than just simply saying these things cause no one else did, you just say what you actually feel. The "victim" has attorneys, they can handle her defense.

By the way, in the case of the rape, given the evidence so far, you can accuse me of defending the lacrosse players.


Peace

asparagus
04-19-2006, 05:09 AM
As far as the pictures, I'm not sure what you were saying. The point was that she had the scars before the party. Whether or not it means she was raped is inconsequential. What it does mean is that she did not get those scars, therefore was not raped, at the party.Those pictures, as I understand, of are her outside, not her insides.

As far as my use of the word little, I was being sarcastic. If that guy wasn't joking then he seriously needs help.Okay. :-)

timmyrotter
04-19-2006, 08:50 PM
we should know that once Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton step in that the race card is being played.

as for my articles, i didnt really read those, people wanted links, so i found some. most of my stuff is from all the news i watch and listen to. and Alex if you are going to say something, make sure you read the earlier posts! i never said she was crying racism, i said the media was!!! the media is retarded. what happend to "innocent until proven guilty"? they have already sound like criminals to America. no DNA matches... hmmm... thats hard to lie about... her alleged scratch mark on the attckers that she "broker her nails doing"... not found on the attackkers...

BarlowgIRL
04-22-2006, 08:40 PM
All I have to say is that she's a stipper and sex comes with the job. If she didn't want drunk/sober men raping/having sex with her she should find a job at McDonald's where sex is not part of the job.

aliengurl7
04-22-2006, 08:56 PM
All I have to say is that she's a stipper and sex comes with the job. If she didn't want drunk/sober men raping/having sex with her she should find a job at McDonald's where sex is not part of the job.

Yeah, and just because she's a stripper doesn't make it right for men to rape her.

unshakeable15
04-25-2006, 07:15 PM
All I have to say is that she's a stipper and sex comes with the job. If she didn't want drunk/sober men raping/having sex with her she should find a job at McDonald's where sex is not part of the job.
i know what you mean, but i also know that you didn't say what you meant.

Strippers are not hookers; they do not sell sex to their customers. They come about as close as you can, but they are (from what i understand) not allowed to sleep with anyone. In fact, that is probably the most unsafe thing they could possible do, and i'm sure they all know that.

But i do know they "sell sex" in the same way pornographers sell it. There isn't any actual "interpersonal relations" going on (if everyone is following the rules), but they splay themselves out for the world to see.

A more accurate description would be using their bodies to sell senuality and sexuality.