Isildur9473
06-16-2006, 11:57 AM
...Asked me to post this.

alorian49: Do me a favor?
alorian49: Pray I get discharged. That I'll be allowed to. Today. That paperwork moves fast. And please post this on the forums
alorian49: God is telling me that I need to leave the army. I'm trying. My unit commander at home gave authorization. I talk to the
alorian49: chaplain at 1 central today.
alorian49: Prayers greatly needed and appreciated
alorian49: More on my space i've gotta go ttyl

disciple
06-16-2006, 11:59 AM
He's had my prayers. Still does.

drumchick101
06-16-2006, 12:14 PM
Ya, same here.

><sarah><

Starbucks5721
06-16-2006, 12:22 PM
I'm still praying for him too, my heart just breaks for him.

timmyrotter
06-16-2006, 02:33 PM
sorry if i sound mean (i know i hardly do) but God is telling me to leave the army. is someone scared?

amodman
06-16-2006, 07:54 PM
sorry if i sound mean (i know i hardly do) but God is telling me to leave the army. is someone scared?

You obviously don't know Seth. He would never abandon his convictions, and the army was one of them. I don't know exactly what changed his mind, but if he's dead set on leaving he's dead set on leaving, and not without good reason.

disciple
06-16-2006, 08:09 PM
Exactly, and I am curious to know what could have so strongly changed his mind and his convictions -- enough to put him in a stresssful, unhealthy postion.

I actually feel bad, because he tried to message me over MySpaceIM, but since it didn't make a jingle or anything... I didn't receive anything, and he got offline. :\

amodman
06-16-2006, 08:13 PM
Exactly, and I am curious to know what could have so strongly changed his mind and his convictions -- enough to put him in a stresssful, unhealthy postion.

I actually feel bad, because he tried to message me over MySpaceIM, but since it didn't make a jingle or anything... I didn't receive anything, and he got offline. :\

Whoah, that's actually working now? Last I knew MyspaceIM was a buggy piece of garbage "being worked on" for un-defined lenghth time. Eh, weird. But anyways, back to Alorian ;).

disciple
06-16-2006, 08:15 PM
Whoah, that's actually working now? Last I knew MyspaceIM was a buggy piece of garbage "being worked on" for un-defined lenghth time. Eh, weird. But anyways, back to Alorian ;).
Yes, it started working again, which I knew because on the front page it defined it as "MySpaceIM [New!]".

timmyrotter
06-17-2006, 08:47 AM
well ive talk to a lot of people, and the army is brutal...

disciple
06-17-2006, 11:36 AM
well ive talk to a lot of people, and the army is brutal...
He hadn't even started any training yet, from what I heard. He hadn't even gotten his uniform yet.

drumchick101
06-17-2006, 02:02 PM
His mom has been updating his myspace blog and the most recent one said that she (his mom) was looking into him switching his position from missle launch specialist to chaplain assistant "so he wouldn't have to hurt anyone." But I think he is deciding between that and getting out. That's what I got from the blog at least.

><sarah><

theelectric3
06-17-2006, 03:50 PM
hmmm... may the Lord continue to guide him and give him wisdom.

timmyrotter
06-18-2006, 11:58 AM
so why would someone enter the army not expecting to hurt people?

amodman
06-18-2006, 10:00 PM
so why would someone enter the army not expecting to hurt people?

Why the hell are you trying to start a debate in Mars Hill? Three abrasive comments = too much. This topic is for prayer, timmy. Seth never expected he might not be required to 'hurt people' in the army, but he thought it was what he wanted to do. Why does anybody join the army? For their country and their people, that's why. He's not stupid, it wasn't army or McDonald's :P. So he heads there and, obviously, feels a pull on his heart that this 'hurting people' thing is exactly not what God wants him to do. A (possible) mistake, though maybe not (with the chaplain's assistant thing). We don't know yet, we haven't talked to him yet. but this thread is for his friends to encourage him in the right decision. I shouldn't have even had to make this post.

timmyrotter
06-19-2006, 07:06 AM
you know what, you are not a mod, im asking questions... i was beeing nice and not expressing how i really feel. i wanted to get more info. does anyone else think this is a little strange, someone all the sudden cant hurt people, your joining the fricken army man! thats what they do! maybe we should be praying for courage. anthis isnt a personal attack, the bible says to test the spirits, and i was trying to descern whethere this was seths weekness or God's idea.

skilletosis
06-19-2006, 07:52 AM
Timmy you are asking valid questions and making valid statements. But because you're being heating in them they aren't being looked at in the way you mean them to.

There just isn't enough information here. So going off what I have read and what I know about the military here are my thoughts. I don't understand it myself. When you join you take an oath.

I, ___________________________________, do solemly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed overme, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.

Also when you join you know what your assignment is. Unless there was some mix up and he didn't find out about the mix up until after he was sworn in he would know. Then I would be inclined to say you're a sworn soldier now, live up to your oath. There are just to many questions here. I would've have thought that Al would have put in and waited for pilot training of some sort. Maybe the prayers should be that God open his eyes to His plan, whatever His plan may be and the peace and understaning to accept that plan. Could it be Gods plan that he do the job he has been assigned to? Who's to say that he wouldn't be an expert and may be put in the possition of saving thousands by his actions. It's all how you look at it. Many times we find out years later why certain things happen to us and it's then that we realize that it was Gods plan even if it wasn't my plan.

dawn of light
06-19-2006, 08:37 AM
Whatever his reasons are for leaving/not leaving, it doesn't matter to me at the moment. He asked for prayer and I will give him prayer. He needs prayer that God will give him strength to follow His will whatever it may be in this situation, and that he'll be sensitive to the Holy Spirit.

There's no point in debating whether or not he's right in leaving, because we don't fully know the situation. We'll find out when he returns.

timmyrotter
06-19-2006, 09:12 AM
i never said we shouldnt pray for him, we should. but i just cant accept someone saying "God doesnt want me to be in the army" as truth, i dont feel right about it. but obviously you guys dont wanna talk about it. so thats okay. i have just seen too many people i know have someone come up to them saying "God told me to marry you" and you know myabe thats how they feel. but thats why we need disrcernment.

amodman
06-19-2006, 09:27 AM
you know what, you are not a mod, im asking questions... i was beeing nice and not expressing how i really feel. i wanted to get more info. does anyone else think this is a little strange, someone all the sudden cant hurt people, your joining the fricken army man! thats what they do! maybe we should be praying for courage. anthis isnt a personal attack, the bible says to test the spirits, and i was trying to descern whethere this was seths weekness or God's idea.

This is NOT a place for that! This is a place for prayer, not debating someone's character! Take this to Mars Hill if you care enough, though such a thread would probably be -locked-. Unlike you, *most* of the people that have posted in this thread have talked to Seth. We know his character. You're acting akin to somebody calling a prayer meeting to guide somebody and encourage in the right decision and one person making a fuss that they don't want to pray for him, because they think they're being a wuss. Well, fine, no one cares. We're already there to pray. If it isn't God's leading, then hopefully Seth will realize that, but I seriously doubt it is not.

disciple
06-19-2006, 09:40 AM
It's that "courtesy, propriety, and politeness" stuff I was talking about yesterday.

Yes, Timmy. I already said that I, too, am curious as to how this all came about. I stated it lightly, and I abridged it. But I've known Seth for a long time, and he was convicted to go into the army. Or maybe he wasn't? There's no way to know, all we can do is pray and discover what the meaning of all this is. There is no way he'd change his mind like this without a powerful enough reason.

skilletosis
06-19-2006, 10:25 AM
This is NOT a place for that! This is a place for prayer, not debating someone's character! Take this to Mars Hill if you care enough, though such a thread would probably be -locked-. Unlike you, *most* of the people that have posted in this thread have talked to Seth. We know his character. You're acting akin to somebody calling a prayer meeting to guide somebody and encourage in the right decision and one person making a fuss that they don't want to pray for him, because they think they're being a wuss. Well, fine, no one cares. We're already there to pray. If it isn't God's leading, then hopefully Seth will realize that, but I seriously doubt it is not.

Timmy wasn't debating Al's character. He said he didn't understand, that we should pray for Al, and that it wasn't a personal attack. And your reply was to his post which said all of that. I'm sorry but your defending sounds more like perpetuating when we are in agreement that we should pray. Also timmy is right about discerning Gods will, we don't always know what it is and we don't always understand it at the time either. The consensus seems to be that we pray Gods will whatever His will may be. That we pray that Al will seek His will and be strengthened to follow it.

Anyone who has sat and read Al's posts doesn't need to talk to him to know that he loves the Lord and has felt that His will is for him to join the military. I for one think that Al as a christian has a solid foundation for such a young adult and it is a priveledge for me to be part of a community that he is involved in. It is only natural to wonder what this is all about when we don't know all the facts.

So now that has been said. Let's just please concentrate on praying for Al.

timmyrotter
06-19-2006, 10:55 AM
thank you skillettosis!

theelectric3
06-19-2006, 12:56 PM
It is only natural to wonder what this is all about when we don't know all the facts.

So now that has been said. Let's just please concentrate on praying for Al.


i completely agree. let's not start attacking members of this board. thanks.

PinkGoo
06-19-2006, 06:01 PM
I just talked to Seth, and he asked me to give you guys an update.

He'll know in about an hour whether or not he can go home. If he can, he'll talk to some pastors for documentation. He'll be discharged as a conscientious objector.

He asks everyone to pray and pray hard. He really wants to leave the army.

He emphasized his reason for leaving. He realized that he could never be a part of taking the lives of others. He doesn't want to deal with that. He wants to leave. He doesn't want us to lose our respect for him because of this.

PinkGoo
06-19-2006, 06:22 PM
He's coming home. He'll be on his way no later than Friday.

theelectric3
06-19-2006, 06:59 PM
thanks for the update Liz.

disciple
06-19-2006, 07:01 PM
It's good to hear that his wish is being granted, and it will be nice to see him back here. :)

I haven't lost an ounce of respect for him. I know that part of the experiences we go through in life involve making the wrong choices, and doing what we can to rectify those choices. We all do it at some point in our lives; I've done it too much, and have even done loads of it recently. There is no reason any of us should question him like a criminal because he made a wrong choice. Let him without sin cast the first stone.

dawn of light
06-20-2006, 05:42 AM
...Let him without sin cast the first stone.

Well said. I don't know Seth very well, as he left shortly after I joined the forum, but I know that everyone makes wrong choices and we have no right to judge people for them. He has my prayers.

timmyrotter
06-20-2006, 09:35 AM
i dont think people were judging... i just love how 'people' can go from, he isnt doing anything wrong, to forgive him for his sins... that means, hmmm... someone else is right? im not going to post on this thread anymore, unless seth does. so freaking out on me wont do any good if you want a reaction.

dawn of light
06-20-2006, 09:46 AM
I wasn't commenting on whether I thought he was doing something right or wrong. I don't know the situation. What I think on this matter is irrelevant because he didn't ask for my advice. He asked for panheads to pray for him so that's what I'll do. Not once, did I say whether I thought he was right or wrong, neither did I imply anything about what other people are saying.

disciple
06-20-2006, 10:16 AM
i dont think people were judging... i just love how 'people' can go from, he isnt doing anything wrong, to forgive him for his sins... that means, hmmm... someone else is right? im not going to post on this thread anymore, unless seth does. so freaking out on me wont do any good if you want a reaction.
I wasn't even "freaking out". I never said, "forgive him for his sins," I said, "accept the fact that he might have made a mistake". I was hoping this debate would end there, and adding the age-old analogy at the end just in case someone felt like saying, "That was such a STUPID mistake, why else would you join the army?!" I was trying to put it to an end; I'm sorry, I guess I was wrong to assume I could do so.

1nonlyjen
06-20-2006, 10:38 AM
Why don't we just end the debate here and just do as Seth asked, I didn't know him very well but I do know a little of what he must going through. So, I'm just going to pray that he be reminded of God's love and mercy. That he be comforted by the Holy Spirit and that he may discern the Spirit more clearly.

theelectric3
06-20-2006, 11:42 AM
sometimes the way to end a debate is to simply say no more. let's not turn seth's thread to a debate. k, thanks.

i agree Jennifer.

john316
06-20-2006, 06:05 PM
Seth you are and have been in my prayers...I hope it all works out for you.

packmule3
06-21-2006, 05:52 AM
praying for His will in you life.... And God bless you!

drumchick101
06-21-2006, 09:21 AM
He doesn't want us to lose our respect for him because of this.

Never, this just prooves how you can think and think about something, but thinking can't help you decide much until you get there. The entire feel of the atmosphere must have sparked something. Especially because he thought about this a LOT. God often tells me not to think too much...perhaps that why.

If anything this can be something exiting for him...He's back in God's hands without knowing where he is to go so He has no choice but the Holy Spirit ;D.

"Ain't it something to know you're lost..."
-"put back the stars" by Blindside


><sarah><

alorian
06-24-2006, 02:48 AM
Wow, I'm not even sure where to start... hmmm

I've been up for over 24 hours dealing with.. crud.. so please bear with me. I probably won't sleep till tonight.

I am back home (in my room right now) on a state recall. I'm national guard so they were able to do that. Instead of getting a new ship date though, they're having me attend monthly drills as I have done in the past. I will visit pastors and have "counseling" sessions with them, documentation blah blah blah etc and get a discharge on conscientious objector.

Plenty, PLENTY of people wuss out of the army. Trust me, I was in a platoon full of them. I am not "wussing out." Back at my home unit they call me "high-speed" and "strung-tight" and "one of the best privates they've ever seen", so that shows those who do not know me a little bit about me. My reasons for leaving are numerous and strong. They include my realization of my inability to take another's life. I did not go into the army thinking I would never see combat. I am not a fool. well.. not a TOTAL fool. I can explain in greater detail if requested.
The major reason for my wanting discharge is strong convictions from God. Don't believe me? Fine, that's alright. I know what God has revealed to me.
The army isn't really "tough" anymore. They're getting softer and softer every month. They're trying to make it so that drill sergeants can't yell at you. It's not rough, it's easy.
Another reason is the.. warfare....... it's a horrible spiritual atmosphere..... this will take more prying and exclusive eyes to tell though.

Any questions? Ask and I'll answer em when I'm awake.

I can't remember everything I've said and have wanted to say *shrugs and shakes head* I'm tired but I don't want to sleep.

Any questions just ask me. I'm exhausted right now or I'd explain in greater details.

lamb_servant72
06-24-2006, 04:46 AM
Seth, what was your original reason for wanting to go into service?

alorian
06-24-2006, 04:51 AM
*Breathes*

I'll tell you all later, okay?

john316
06-24-2006, 08:59 AM
Welcome back Seth!!!

I dont care what other ppl may say...you are listening to what you feel God wants you to do and that is never a mistake. I can practically assure that in the future you will look back an see God's hand in all of this if you haven't already.

I had a formal sunday school student who also got a discharge from the military so you are right it is nothing new and it worked out for him.

I had something kind of similar happen to me when i was a senior in school...my brother-in-law got me a part time job that would have went full time as soon as i graduated at a factory where he worked. It was considered a good job with good pay and benefits etc. Problem was i hated it. I worked there for about a week and quit. My brother-in-law as well as some others in my family got mad at me...it was a hard time but you know what that factory eventually went out of business so it wouldn't have been a secure job after all. God saw the future and the job wasnt for me.

Once again welcome back...i am proud of you for following your convictions.

J

disciple
06-24-2006, 10:08 AM
I echo what John said. It's good to see you back, Seth. Rest up, man.

timmyrotter
06-24-2006, 10:55 AM
yes i would like to konw what your original reason for going inot the service as well.

Mikazaru
06-24-2006, 10:59 AM
I may not know you but it is good to see you back. :)

Starbucks5721
06-24-2006, 11:38 AM
Hey, I know I don't know you at all, but I wanted you to know that once this got posted, my family hasnt stopped praying for you :) I'm glad you're back, and I know things will work out. With God, all things are possible. I almost went in myself, so I hear a bit of where youre at.

Prayin' for ya! <3

theelectric3
06-24-2006, 12:00 PM
welcome back Seth.

so they're trying to make the army easier? blah, what's the point of that??

anyway... if this is something you feel God told you (as you stated that it was) then i commend you for following even though it wasn't the popular thing and would be misunderstood.

alorian
06-24-2006, 03:17 PM
Yes, they're making the army easier. Congress is. Basic training is now being called something like a "low-stress training environment."

I'm going to finally sleep soon.

1nonlyjen
06-24-2006, 05:28 PM
I was reminded of a devotional I just read by Dr. J. Vernon McGee on Philippians 1:10 :"A man was telling me about his business. He had two routes open to him, and he prayed about his decision. He tried one of them, and it didn't work. He told me when he saw it wouldn't work, he came back to the crossroads and tried the other route. He said, "Then I was sure of the Lord's will. The one route didn't work, so there was only one other way open for me.I followed that one, and it was the right one." God says we are to try the things that differ. Actually, that is the way He leads us."

I have been in a simular situation, one road didn't work so now I know which road I have to take. I'm glad you're back, Seth. I will keep you in prayer.

alorian
06-25-2006, 06:33 AM
Thanks Jen :)

The original reason for my enlistment? Looking back it was to make people such as my grandpa proud, which was stupid of me. To get college money. To serve my country. To be "cool" heheh :P

The reasons I'm getting out? I won't cover all, because some are extremely personal. I was strongly convicted by God to get out. The spiritual atmosphere was horrible, 'nuff said. I was getting a southern accent ;) :P And they never put garlic in our chow. I need garlic in my food from time to time. Just to make sure I haven't become a vampire :P

I decided that serving God's will is better than serving my country's. This was NOT a decision I made lightly. Phew. No it wasn't. One of the toughest decisions I've ever made. It would have been far easier to stay in the army, but then again it usually is easier to not follow God when making those huge decisions. In my situations anyway.


Any questions?

disciple
06-25-2006, 10:06 AM
(LOL. Vampire, you? Naaahhhh :D)


I don't have any questions. Just glad to see you haven't lost your sense of humor. :D

alorian
06-25-2006, 10:30 AM
Hahah, nah, that'll never go, I hope :P

disciple
06-25-2006, 10:33 AM
Not till you actually are 60. ;)

alorian
06-25-2006, 11:46 AM
heh exACTly!

disciple
06-25-2006, 11:50 AM
"You put the emPHASis on the wrong syLABle." ;) Just reminded me of tha... *looks around* Yeah, I should probably shut up now...

alorian
06-25-2006, 11:53 AM
*looks around* perhaps...you....should.... *ducks and waits for actual discussion* :P

amodman
06-25-2006, 02:24 PM
Good to hear from ya mate. So, you're out, huh? (sort of) Well good for you. As long as you're convicted it's the right thing to do, I'm behind you ;). We'll talk later. Good luck with all the messy details!

p.s. Disregard any guest post that looks exactly like this ;).

drumchick101
06-25-2006, 04:21 PM
Score...we have a Seth! I would pretty much be repeating what all the other's said, but I will say that it really IS awsome that you followed your convictions.

However I was wondering about them making the army easier because I watched a special on the marine's boot camp and thought "wait, this can't be real...I could do that." Not saying I could do it easily, but I wouldn't die like I always thought I would have. I thought that weird, although I don't feel completly called to the military, I just thought that intersting. I'll stick with the mission feild ;).

><sarah><

theelectric3
06-25-2006, 06:05 PM
mission field eh, where?

seth - so often we give into pressures to please others (i know i have) so i commend you for doing what you knew you needed to do - even if it wasn't easy. God will continue to guide and direct you.

alorian
06-25-2006, 08:47 PM
Thanks guys, I really appreciate the support :)

skynes
06-26-2006, 12:45 AM
It takes wisdom to realise your mistakes.

It takes guts to try and fix it.

skilletosis
06-26-2006, 05:07 AM
Seth, you still have me puzzled. Unless there was some strange mix up didn't you know what your assignment was going to be when you were enlisting? And what happened to change your mind once you got there?

weebird20
06-26-2006, 06:17 AM
II Corinthians 6:8, TLB. "We stand true to the Lord whether others honor us or despise us, whether they criticize us or commend us. We are honest, but they call us liars."

Welcome back Seth *hugs*

alorian
06-26-2006, 06:55 AM
Seth, you still have me puzzled. Unless there was some strange mix up didn't you know what your assignment was going to be when you were enlisting?

Can you rephrase that? The army has a tendency to reduce brain capacity :P

timmyrotter
06-26-2006, 07:00 AM
you are blaming everything on the army, did you think perhaps it was yourself? i dont mean to sound rash, but i agree with skilletosis. you enlisted, knew your duties...

alorian
06-26-2006, 07:22 AM
The "army reducing my brain capacity" is a joke. Many in the army who love being in the army make the joke all the time. I remember one cadre member saying "Okay everyone, pull out your smartbooks and study. Smartbooks? Hahah. You get dumber as you read em!"

*Sigh* That didn't do it, let's try again *sigh*. Usually sighs bring me a measure of peace and clarity. *prays* That did it. *sigh*

Have I blamed anything in seriousness on the army? I had some problems with some people.. *remembers a troublesome lt that caused alot of work and problems* but other than joking around I don't think I've blamed much on the army.

Do I think perhaps it was myself? If I were looking out for myself then I would have stayed in. It would have helped me out more in life, and it's alot more hardwork discharging than staying in. Trust me.

I did it for God. I was convicted to get out, and I stand by those convictions.

I know my duties. My primary duty, though, is to my Lord God and Saviour.

timmyrotter
06-26-2006, 08:32 AM
so were you convicted by God to go to the army?

alorian
06-26-2006, 08:55 AM
Long story short, and sarcasms deleted, no.

timmyrotter
06-26-2006, 11:14 AM
was it an honorable discharge?

alorian
06-26-2006, 12:33 PM
I haven't been discharged yet, though I believe it will be an "Other Than Honorable" discharge

lamb_servant72
06-26-2006, 04:21 PM
Well, your reasons for going in were more noble than mine. I wanted to go in so I could wear camo pants all of the time.;D
(Okay, that was eigth grade.)

I think it is amazing that you could want something so much, then have it in your grasp, and God tells you that is not His plan, and you are willing to go through what others would put on you (guilt, shame, etc) to do what He wants. (I love the scripture Laura used - she's the best at having the right scripture at just the right time!)

Originally, I was confused because you said a part of the decision was the "death" issue. The Old Testament is full of stories where God used war (and lots of death) to accomplish His purpose. I was concerned that if He had told you to go into service, and you were wanting to get out because you had a problem with the death issue (so you felt like it wasn't His will to stay) that perhaps it wasn't God telling you to leave.

(Don't get me wrong...God could have told you to go and then turned around and told you to get out...I've learned to not pretend I know what God will and will not do! But, I realize you are not saying this was the situation this time.)

When you explained that you never felt like He was calling you to go into service, and that you did it to make others proud, I understood better.

john316
06-26-2006, 04:47 PM
I hope nobody takes this wrong but i don't feel its really any of our business as to why Seth made the decision he did. He has elected to share some of the details and i commend him for that but he really doesn't owe any of us anything. Its between him,his family and God.

As for the references to the God using wars in the OT for his purpose...yes thats true but you also have to remember that God wouldnt let David build the tabernacle because he was a bloody man of war. Imo God didnt want to have wars but men's disobedience caused them.

alorian
06-26-2006, 05:25 PM
Thanks for the verse laura :)

skilletosis
06-26-2006, 07:06 PM
Can you rephrase that? The army has a tendency to reduce brain capacity :P

Seth everyone I know that enlisted knew what their possition was going to be at enlistment. My brother was a field artilery surveyor, my sister a fireman, and my nephew an air traffic controller. They all knew what they were going to do when they enlisted. They knew what there was a waiting list for and in my nephews case he waited. Didn't you know what your job was going to be at the time you enlisted? I would have thought of you as doing something that involved aircraft.

alorian
06-26-2006, 07:17 PM
I was going to be fire direction specialist. 13P. MLRS.

What happened to change my mind once I got there? I either listened to God more closely or He talked a little more loudly.

alorian
06-26-2006, 07:19 PM
(Sorry for 2X post)

There are a couple more specific reasons which, as john316 pointed out, are between me, God, and my family. I haven't fully explained to my family yet.

I'll probably tell some of you, individually, the reasons, if you ask, but it's more of a personal thing then a forum thing, sorry.

disciple
06-26-2006, 07:22 PM
No, I definitely understand, John's right. :)

skilletosis
06-26-2006, 07:30 PM
Seth in reguards to personal reasons I do understand that those occur. My sister received an early honorable discharge. She was able to prove sexual harrasment by a superior.

lamb_servant72
06-27-2006, 02:29 AM
I started to say what I did in a pm, that's what I wanted to do originally. But, since I had already asked Seth a question to gain more clarity, (which in hindsight I should have done in a pm), it seemed to me that some may have thought I was not being supportive, so I wanted to explain what I was thinking.

I think Seth and I have the kind of relationship that he knows I will encourage him in God's will no matter what, and pray for him and his family always. But, just like I would do with any one I care deeply about, and I hope they would do for me, I want discuss and pray about all spiritual aspects of a situation. I think we are here to support and encourage each other in Christ ("equipping of the Saints").

God commanded Israel to go to war many times against those who worshipped other gods. There wasn't anything Israel could do about the fact that sin was already in the world. They had to obey what God wanted them to do.

Now, that's not to say I don't understand what Seth is explaining. I do. I have more to say about his particular situation, but I think I'll say it in pm. I just wanted to clarify what I said and why.

I wouldn't want a young person who feels that God may be calling them to service to think it may be a sin, since God wanted Seth to leave.

alorian
06-27-2006, 09:27 AM
*Glances at pms*

Oops! 150

*deletes to make room for more*

amodman
06-27-2006, 09:40 AM
*Glances at pms*

Oops! 150

*deletes to make room for more*

Loser :P ;).

MeNtAlCaSe
06-27-2006, 10:07 AM
Seth, you did what you felt was right. Trust me, by and large, the military really doesn't want people to be there if they really really don't want to. Even 25 years ago when I enlisted, they had started the trainee discharge program. If your heart of hearts wasn't in it, they knew/know it's better to let you go. Sometimes things change and a few years later, people reenlist...I had a guy in my squad who did, and they to great. Not to say that you'll do that, but at least the option is there. Had I to do again, I'd do something in the hospital or medical electronics field. That way, I knew my job was helping and repairing stuff that helped people.

God has a plan for you, and for now, that doesn't involved being a part of the Military, plain and simple. I had planned to spend at least 20 years in, but God had other plans for me (course I didn't know it at the time). You are where you're supposed to be.

Peace to you man....