saulg
09-11-2006, 07:10 PM
Yeah, Yeah, i know that most of you is against downloading music, but for me, buying a CD is not an option, so the only way i have to get new music is downloading it, so please!!! DONT TELL ME WHAT I'M DOING IS WRONG, I already know that ok!

I just wanted to say that i just downloaded Comatose, and i have to say that, IT IS AWSOME, EVERYSONG IS AWSOME, I've just finished listeing the whole cd for the first time, and sounds awsome, i can wait to have the chance to buy the cd :afro: maybe i can go to the US next summer woohoo

Luke_USA
09-11-2006, 10:59 PM
Yeah, Yeah, i know that most of you is against downloading music, but for me, buying a CD is not an option, so the only way i have to get new music is downloading it, so please!!! DONT TELL ME WHAT I'M DOING IS WRONG, I already know that

Not exactly something you want to brag about on a public forum...

rkcguitar
09-12-2006, 12:42 AM
Yea, I agree. Something you shouldn't be talking about on an forum like this.

skynes
09-12-2006, 01:04 AM
Yeah, Yeah, i know that most of you is against downloading music, but for me, buying a CD is not an option, so the only way i have to get new music is downloading it, so please!!! DONT TELL ME WHAT I'M DOING IS WRONG, I already know that ok!

I just wanted to say that i just downloaded Comatose, and i have to say that, IT IS AWSOME, EVERYSONG IS AWSOME, I've just finished listeing the whole cd for the first time, and sounds awsome, i can wait to have the chance to buy the cd :afro: maybe i can go to the US next summer woohoo


Nothing delivers to Guatemala I assume?

timmyrotter
09-12-2006, 06:49 AM
what you are doing is wrong! ;)

neb0789
09-12-2006, 09:26 AM
i just don't think that it's a good idea you should go around saying things like that.

saulg
09-12-2006, 09:43 AM
Nothing delivers to Guatemala I assume?


Yup, you are right... last time i bought a CD on the internet was like a year ago...

...I'm still waiting...

So i decided to stop buying over the internet and, I go to the U.S. 1 or 2 times a year, and, most of the money i spend over there is in CDs, Concerts, and Merch i found in stores, I have a very good collection of CDs, specially from Skillet, the only CD I dont have is Comatose, by obvious reasons.

So, i found a guy who somehow got a 5 songs Sample Comatose CD, and he sent me the mp3s, And later that day, i found a .zip file which had the full CD in low quality, so, as you can asume, I inmediatly downloaded hehehe :afro: the quality sucks, but the songs aren't not that good i have to say, i know lots of you will disagree w/me, but what can i say, Skillet, could make something better. The 5 songs i have in hi Quality, are maybe the best, Rebirth, Last night, whispers, comatose and goodbye, those songs are AWSOME, but songs like yours to hold, Looking for angels, and The older I get, hahaha, i dont know, but i felt like I was somewhere in the HYILYS era.

Well, i dont know, let me know what you think...

Just let me tell you that the point of this thread is to know what you thing about comatose, not about downloading the CD or not.

saulg
09-12-2006, 09:48 AM
what you are doing is wrong! ;)

I know!, but is my nature!:evil:

timmyrotter
09-12-2006, 11:31 AM
i was only saying that because you said not to. i have samples of all the songs except for Whispers, Rebirthing, and the last night. probably from the same place the guy you found got em. jesusfreakhideout released them for a day. i dont think they were supposed to.

i have to agree with you on some songs, the older i get, comatose, those nihgts... i really dont like. but i think skillet will sell a lot more records with this one, cause its further away from hard rock. and the further away you get from that, the more poeple you reach. but that makes it sound like they are selling out of thier sound to sell more records. which i hope is not true.

Falinguplights
09-12-2006, 12:30 PM
Hey, SaulG, where did u happen to find this download, Im just getting ticked with the streaming audio people its been over 2 weeks I've emailed them tons and of times and I still haven't got mine, I already pre-ordered the album it's not like I'm stealing it, I just really wanna hear it and Im sick of waiting for that streaming link to get to me

timmyrotter
09-12-2006, 12:32 PM
okay do not tell him please. this needs to end here.

Falinguplights
09-12-2006, 12:36 PM
yea your right, Nvm, It'd be kinda bad cause all the other people could Download it 2, and Skillet Don't deserve that Nevermind, I'll just wait, For Skillet's Sake, I dont want a bunch of people stealing all there music

Spiffles
09-12-2006, 02:37 PM
...

1: if your gonna screw over bands cause you cant get the music in a shop then whatever.. i wont comment on that.. BUT it's really, really, stupid making a thread on that bands fansite saying you are downloading their music and their hardwork for free..
IF your gonna do it and not care that it affects others besides yourself.. i'd suggest keeping it quiet and to yourself.

2: if your gonna have a whinge because the quality of the songs sucks... I inmediatly downloaded hehehe the quality sucks, but the songs aren't not that good i have to say,
Then all I have to say is ROFL, thats what you get for downloading music.. You cant expect free music to be any good.

Free music always sucks.

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d85/Spiffles1980/sucks.gif

You say you go to the U.S. a couple times a year.. I say to that.. just wait till then to get Skillets music.. Surely its not life or death to wait till then??

timmyrotter
09-12-2006, 02:38 PM
yeah thats the only thing, once it gets out, everyone can get it. even people who arent buying thier album...

theelectric3
09-13-2006, 10:33 AM
if you paid for the download, then i am cool with it.

Falinguplights
09-13-2006, 11:03 AM
ok so go here 2 download the full album free

www.skilletcomatosefullfree.com

enjoy

Falinguplights
09-13-2006, 11:05 AM
Yea ok,I'm an idiot I know It dont work I just made it up but I bet you tried...it, haha

bballplaya4814
09-13-2006, 11:47 AM
OK Why is it that JUST this board-every single person on it (except the few who are downloading and talking about it ie: Mickael (Sp?) and Daulg (sp?)-is so up in everyone's grill and totally against downloading, don't even tell me you haven't wanted to hear a CD before it came out. I know you all have, so how bout we just let it go, if someone posts that they've downloaded it then just do the following

1. If you also want to download, just PM them and ask for the link, if they don't give it to you tough luck
2. If your against it just keep your mouth shut, and
3. If your a moderator, and you would like to close the thread then close it for God sakes

I'm sick and tired of everybody going on and on about downloading "Comatose" if i find it-i'm gonna be dead honest with you-i WILL download it, and i still will probably buy the CD, so i end up not ripping them off at all-ENOUGH!!

Sorry had to vent, it's really bugging me

Jordan

Unregistered
09-13-2006, 12:19 PM
Hahaha thats hilarious it made me laugh so true.. though.....

timmyrotter
09-13-2006, 01:12 PM
the point is that sure downloading will happen, but it will not be broadcasted on the fansite of the band. you wouldnt go on bestbuy.com forums and brag about stealing form thier store would you?

zeroneff
09-13-2006, 01:25 PM
I will say it and evryone will too..
Downloading is rong
you are stealing what someone has work for and was going to sell so he or she can eat, have a house........what you are doing is rong!!!!!!!:o

dawn of light
09-13-2006, 01:31 PM
you spelled "wrong" wrong. It's spelled wrong not rong. What you did was wrong.

timmyrotter
09-13-2006, 01:37 PM
wow rachel that was really really funny.

skynes
09-13-2006, 02:35 PM
Yup, you are right... last time i bought a CD on the internet was like a year ago...

...I'm still waiting...

So i decided to stop buying over the internet and, I go to the U.S. 1 or 2 times a year, and, most of the money i spend over there is in CDs, Concerts, and Merch i found in stores, I have a very good collection of CDs, specially from Skillet, the only CD I dont have is Comatose, by obvious reasons.


Im putting this quote in nice bold letters for those of you who had trouble reading his post.

It's download or nothing for him. Until he next gets to America to buy it.

I'm fine with that.

neb0789
09-13-2006, 04:00 PM
It seems that downloading music is a pretty sensitive issue right now. I'm not going to download music for free, from any band, because if I did it, I would consider myself doing something wrong. There are different situations though, but ask yourself this... What Would Jesus Have Done?

Starbucks5721
09-13-2006, 04:35 PM
You know...if you pay for the download, it's still cool. LOLOL

SRSLY guys, who hasnt owned a burnt cd or d/l'ed something themselves. I mean even I, who generally still shell out for cds, own a few (like the new Evanescence one). But I stay true to the bands I follow. I'm preordering Comatose. I follow Skillet around the state.

It doesnt sound like he had a choice. Get off his case. It's starting to sound like a case of plankeye to me...

bballplaya4814
09-13-2006, 05:15 PM
EVERYONE let it go seriously!!!>:(

terrasin
09-13-2006, 05:20 PM
So it's ok to commit a crime if you don't like the band? That's a pretty messed up theroy.

CJ

zeroneff
09-13-2006, 05:53 PM
You won't steel the Cd from the christian book store or Bestbuy but you will from the net. HAHA



It is steeling If I were you I would Pray for what you did!!!

Starbucks5721
09-13-2006, 06:37 PM
So it's ok to commit a crime if you don't like the band? That's a pretty messed up theroy.

CJ

WOAH, that is NOT what I said. I said it's cool if you're paying for it, and that I can see his point as to why he has to d/l because he cannot get the cd any other way.

Maugrim
09-13-2006, 06:42 PM
It is steeling If I were you I would Pray for what you did!

Hold on, guys. Sure, pirating music isn't right, but who are we to point fingers and condemn? Don't consider yourself to be anymore righteous than saulg. It's a major turnoff when Christians act this way...

In the words of John Cooper:
"...we're not here to judge you, we're here to love you."

http://www.skillet.com/news/comatose_rr_review.gif

doormonkey
09-13-2006, 08:56 PM
I have but one response to those of you who think its somehow ok to d/l Skillet's music. In the immortal words of Alex Cooper, "Don't be naughty!"

skynes
09-13-2006, 10:37 PM
He has two choices here:

1. download the album now and then buy it when he next gets to America

or

2. Do without the album until he next gets to America.

Ordering it is not an option, since it can't be delivered to where he is.

May I ask what difference it makes to Skillet?


None. Ultimately they will still get something from him getting the CD.


May I ask what difference it makes to him?


Quite a large one. It might be over a year before he next gets to America.

planet_kosmos
09-14-2006, 12:19 AM
or he could pre-order it (seeing that it wouldn't get there) and then download it, the money would still get to skillet.

skynes
09-14-2006, 02:54 AM
or he could pre-order it (seeing that it wouldn't get there) and then download it, the money would still get to skillet.

Considering that the download was of a very low quality (as he said), I think that's called a major grade A rip off.

That aside, the pre-order doesn't work for anyone outside the USA.
-----

Am I the only one ACTUALLY reading his posts instead of spouting off accusations and judgements?
It certainly seems that way.

Mikhail
09-14-2006, 06:33 AM
Am I the only one ACTUALLY reading his posts instead of spouting off accusations and judgements?
No, you not one. Everyone speak that it is not right. And while they will not appear on its place or in a similar situation they will understand nothing and will not change the point of view. And to speak something here it is senseless...

timmyrotter
09-14-2006, 06:53 AM
i read them. my comments were directed to people other than saulg. or people who dont live in the US.

terrasin
09-14-2006, 10:48 AM
As are mine. In Saul's country, downloading music is not illegal. I'm more focused on the countries where it IS illegal, such as the USA, Australia, the UK, etc.

CJ

skynes
09-14-2006, 12:44 PM
As are mine. In Saul's country, downloading music is not illegal.
CJ

I was about to ask that actually. If US Copyright laws apply to the middle of nowhere.

DustinRocks
09-14-2006, 01:49 PM
itunes and burn lounge are a way legal way of downloading music cheap.

planet_kosmos
09-14-2006, 01:50 PM
Considering that the download was of a very low quality (as he said), I think that's called a major grade A rip off.

That aside, the pre-order doesn't work for anyone outside the USA.
-----

Am I the only one ACTUALLY reading his posts instead of spouting off accusations and judgements?
It certainly seems that way.

You can order it off musicchristian.com , they ship outside the US.

zeroneff
09-14-2006, 02:44 PM
Fine im sorry but still....
Ill get of the subject....
moving on...

Luke_USA
09-14-2006, 06:54 PM
[rant]

lol...all these people saying "he has no other choice until he comes back to the US." If saulg had given it any thought, he would've asked someone here from the boards to send him a copy once it's released - if he's that impatient to get the album. I had a similiar situation myself - a computer game I wanted was first released in Europe and was going to be a while before I could buy it in America. Instead of being a w@rez kiddie and illegally downloading it, I simply asked a European to buy a copy and then mail it to me - perfectly legal, and I had it within a week's time. It's not rocket science, people.

Quite simply, saulg's proclaiming that what he did was wrong and then telling us to not criticize him was very, very weak. Don't try to get sympathy from people with that line of reasoning - it simply doesn't work. Either acquire your music / software / DVDs legally, or don't do it at all.

[/end rant]

alorian
09-14-2006, 09:27 PM
Wow. If I had forewarning, I would have ignored every post except for the ones posted by

Saul of course
Skynes
timmyrotter
Starbucks5721
Maugrim

They actually thought their posts through before clicking "quick reply"

1) It's not your job to get upset and judge this guy. The bible instructs us not to judge each other.
Matthew 7:1- Judge not, that you be not judged.
Luke 6:37- Judge not, and you shall not be judged. Condemn not, and you shall not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.
James 4:11- Do not speak evil of one another, brethren. He who speaks evil of a brother and judges his brother, speaks evil of the law and judges the law. But if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but a judge.

Ya with me?

2) He's going to pay for the CD. He has to wait until he can get to the states though. Read everything that Scott wrote, okay? Then it will become clear to you.

3) Before you post something, please think about it.

saulg
09-14-2006, 09:37 PM
DANG!!!! i never thought that my thread would be so mmmm what's the word...........controversial (did i spelled it wrong?)

Ok, let me explain myself please.

1.) I own the whole Skillet's Discography, the only CD i'm missing is Comatose, and asap i will buy the CD ok?

2.)I dont like to buy CDs over the internet cuz a good shiping will cost me about 30-35 dollars, the last time i order a CD on the regular mail, was a year ago, and i'm still waiting, i have no idea where the heck is that CD.

3.) $45-50 dollars for one CD... MMMM I DONT THINK SO! i rather wail til i go to the US and get 3 CDs with that money, maybe some merch, etc, or like the last time i went to the US, i manage myself to see Demon Hunter, Spoken, Zao and some other guys live in the house of blues, or the time i went to a Pillar, jeremy camp, hawk nelson, and other bands, concert. Guys, those concerts are like... solid memories in my mind.

4.)Ok, i downloaded the CD, do i care what you say to me?? NO, I DONT. am I doing something illegal, NO I DON'T, Am I doing something wrong, NO, I DONT THINK SO... WHY?????????

Because, in my country IT IS NOT ILLEGAL as long i dont burn a CD, the laws in my country does not condem to download music, they comdem if i copy those mp3s to a CD and start selling the CDs, but GUESS WHAT?!?! I'm just selling backups, so.... now is PERFECTLY LEGAL. The laws here are wrong?? MAYBE but, hey!


AM I DOING SOMETHING WRONG?? Well, i dont think that i'm doing something wrong because, i will buy the CD asap, I promote the band here in Guatemala, actually, if you go to the major radio christian station here in Guatemala, www.shock.fm you will notice that Skillet is in the top ten, and why is that?? because i'm a diehard panhead, with a lot of guatemalan friends who are panheads, and of course SKILLET ROCKS!!! and that makes the work so easy. The major problem we have here is that, maybe it was january of this year, when i saw the 2nd copy of collide i've ever seen, the 1st one was the one i bought 2 years ago. I saw this CD in a Christian music store dedicated to sell CCM. So imagine how hard is to get good CDs here!, specialy when most of churches here in Guatemala are very conservative, and there are a lot of people try to get an electric guitar in the church and the pastors dont let em... well...


Why i dont think i'm doing Wrong??? I'm supporting the band the most i can, i buy their CDs, I know that i dont buy their CD like, the 1st day it goes out, BUT I LEAST I BUY IT! I even have the DVD, So, What if i download the CD days before it goes out.?? is it wrong?


Yeah, i know, this is a VERY VERY VERY BIG POST but i'm mad because the point of this thread was to discuss the CD, not to discusse it's allright to donwload or not to download the CD

saulg
09-14-2006, 09:43 PM
Thanks alorian.. good post

amodman
09-14-2006, 10:07 PM
Thanks alorian.. good post

Not to burst your bubble bud, but you could've always just waited till release to buy the music legally online...If www.allofmp3.com has it on release, it's guarunteed to be a legal "steal."

doormonkey
09-15-2006, 06:24 AM
I should have said that my post was aimed not at Saul, who doesn't really have another option, but at people like bballplaya who even though they live in the US and will have no trouble buying the CD when it comes out, are still bothering people for downloads of Comatose. He IM'ed me asking if I had any new songs over a month ago...Sorry, but that's just not right.

go_home_red
09-15-2006, 06:27 AM
Now that this thread has blown up in your face, you’ve suddenly purchased all of the CD’s? Nice. I’ve never ridden a bike backwards—how did you learn to backpedal so well?

Alorian—yes, great post—it’s a fine illustration of why you don’t teach a four-year-old how to surf for pornography. Four-year-olds lack discretion, so they wouldn’t know when not to do it (or that it’s not right at all). Just because you know how to quote the Bible doesn’t mean that you know when it’s appropriate to do so, what to reference, or how to apply it. What you just said—if this was an appropriate time to say what you did, which it wasn’t—just crippled the ability of parents to discipline their kids, judges to sentence criminals, and police officers to enforce laws. If what you’re doing is wrong, would you rather me tell you now so that you will stop doing it, or would you rather me “not judge,” let you keep doing whatever you want, and then let God judge you for it? Here’s a hint: if I punch you in the face, I promise it wouldn’t hurt near as much as if God were to do the same.

In any case, I’ve been holding off on posting on this thread because I thought everyone would stop feeding the troll and just let the thread die. But no—now we have people defending the act of downloading music! Downloading the music without buying it is wrong and stupid and a great number of other words that would certainly get me banned from this board. I don’t care that you’re going to buy it when you get to the US—that’s like saying that I’m going to wait until after Christmas to lose the weight I’ve “been meaning” to drop. It’s a great story, and it buys you time—but what gets your further: planning on doing something or just doing it? If you download it because “no one will ship to my country,” then nut up and purchase the CD anyway. You may not receive a CD in the mail, but that’s no excuse to not purchase what you now own. Could you rationalize printing off a fake ticket to a Skillet without paying? If you did that, then you and me in a decent mosh pit would be a very bad thing.

If that’s not good enough, send twenty bucks to someone on this board. Have them buy the CD for you and then mail it via USPS to your freaking house in woe-is-me Guatemala. Or buy it on eBay, through an independent seller who will ship worldwide. What is so hard about this?

Albums don’t sell in platinum numbers when wannabe fans talk themselves into feeling good about not paying for the music. If you download without paying, you are not a fan, and I hope you don’t return to this board until you purchase the music that you already own. And don’t tell me that you share it, because you don’t. You own it, no matter how it came to be in your possession, and no matter how self-righteously you refuse to share it further—or how liberally you continue to do so.

I’ve had it up to here (my hand is about a foot above my head, and I’m 5’ 10”) with hearing about how downloading without purchasing is okay—especially on these boards, where the subject usually involves downloading Skillet’s music, and where the people downloading the music claim to be fans of Skillet. Post-junior high, -high school, and -college life is different—try getting a job and paying rent and—get this—being responsible for more than just getting your homework done. But even that can be an example for this subject of extreme stupidity: what if I stole a report that you worked on for months on end? Not for the sake of turning it in as my own work (that would be wrong, after all), but just for the sake of having it to read—and you don’t have another copy. Does the fact that I’m not selling it help you any? No. Does it help you that I’m not turning it in as my own work? No. No matter what I do, you lose, and that is exactly what will happen to Skillet if they have to convince Atlantic to put money into their next album if Comatose doesn’t sell better than the rest of their CD’s combined.

alorian
09-15-2006, 06:47 AM
Great way to ruin a guy's morning :) Really :)
*Sigh*
Why is it that I'm being constantly misinterpreted these days?

Pointing out something that a brother/sister is doing isn't judging. If you see a fellow Christian lie to someone, go to them and say "Hey man, you shouldn't be lying like that. God woulda wanted you to tell the truth" or something like that. But judging them for that action is wrong. There's a difference between pointing out a flaw and judging. Alot of what has been going on in this thread has been judging. I won't use direct quotes from people, but if you read back it's pretty obvious.

Saul is going to pay for the music when he is able to.
Actually sit down, read, and process his posts, okay?

Sheesh.


Saul... I don't think many people are going to use this thread for its original intention. It's your call, but if I were you then I'd ask a mod to have it deleted or something *shrugs* I don't think people are going to actually see your point.. most people anyway.


Seth

timmyrotter
09-15-2006, 06:47 AM
no offense(< ever think id say that?) Saul but why could you just download it from itunes when it came out.

saulg
09-15-2006, 07:04 AM
Now that this thread has blown up in your face, you’ve suddenly purchased all of the CD’s? Nice. I’ve never ridden a bike backwards—how did you learn to backpedal so well?



Hey!!! yes, i have the WHOLE DISCOGRAPHY!!! is not like 300CDs, just 6 and one DVD that cost me like 5 dollars. I have a couple of shirts that i a friend got me a few years ago. Entendido?


Why i wont buy the CD online?? because i dont want to spend 50 dollars in ONE CD, why??


Situation #1
Comatose - $14
S&H - $35
Total - $49

So skillet earns 4 dollars with me, and UPS 30

Situation #2
I will go to the US next spring.
Comatose - 14
The Reckoning (pillar) $14
End of Silence(red) $14
Total - $42

And every one, gets its piece


oh yeah... why i dont donwload the songs from itunes???
Because I want the case, the booklet and of course, THE CD!

timmyrotter
09-15-2006, 11:10 AM
well itunes would work then... that is what i would do.

alorian
09-15-2006, 11:47 AM
oh yeah... why i dont donwload the songs from itunes???
Because I want the case, the booklet and of course, THE CD!

That's why

will
09-15-2006, 04:59 PM
well itunes would work then... that is what i would do.

due to different distribution agreements, iTunes is per-country... scroll to the bottom of the front page of the music store inside of iTunes and you'll see a list of the countries. You might still be able to use a store for another country, I don't know... it may be that iTunes is not an option.

That being said, there are enough other legal download services that I'm sure one of them would work in Guatemala. While I'm no expert on copyright law (much less Guatemalan copyright law), I do know that Guatemala is a member (http://www.wipo.int/about-ip/en/ipworldwide/pdf/gt.pdf) of the World Intellectual Property Organization and have at least some copyright law.

Regardless of the questionable legality of the downloading or when/how you plan on buying the CD sometime in the future, I'm still not sure this is the best forum to advertise how you're downloading Skillet's music online without the band receiving any kind of compensation for it. That's my opinion at least.

planet_kosmos
09-15-2006, 06:23 PM
oh yeah... why i dont donwload the songs from itunes???
Because I want the case, the booklet and of course, THE CD!

Collide can be bought for $10 ($9.90) on itunes, this thread is fighting about $10, for all the debating its caused just buy it from there when it comes out on October 3rd and then if you want the CD, cover and booklet, buy it as well when you go to America. I'm sure ten dollars won't brake the bank.

amodman
09-15-2006, 07:28 PM
That's why

Which is fine by most of the people here, but this is -not- the type of material one should be posting on the band's message board, and that's all I'm going to say about that...

timmyrotter
09-16-2006, 12:20 AM
Collide can be bought for $10 ($9.90) on itunes, this thread is fighting about $10, for all the debating its caused just buy it from there when it comes out on October 3rd and then if you want the CD, cover and booklet, buy it as well when you go to America. I'm sure ten dollars won't brake the bank.

exactly... but you know i cant tell you what to do, you are a big boy. just tru and make the right choices :)

DustinRocks
09-16-2006, 01:38 AM
itunes and burn lounge are a way legal way of downloading music cheap.


As I said on page 3.

john316
09-16-2006, 05:31 AM
Hey Saul

If we can work out the shipping details I would be glad to pick it up for you...maybe it will be cheaper for me to ship rather then a business.

I Bite
09-16-2006, 06:01 AM
I have a very good collection of CDs, specially from Skillet, the only CD I dont have is Comatose, by obvious reasons.

Now that this thread has blown up in your face, you’ve suddenly purchased all of the CD’s? Nice. I’ve never ridden a bike backwards—how did you learn to backpedal so well?

Did you even read his posts?? I guess not.

timmyrotter
09-16-2006, 08:21 AM
Hey Saul

If we can work out the shipping details I would be glad to pick it up for you...maybe it will be cheaper for me to ship rather then a business.

i thought about that too, but i dont think business' make money on shipping, unless you are closer to guatamala then the distributor. but i dont think it will make a big difference, once you go outside the US it gets expensive. one time my cousins sent a bag of marshmallows to new zealand, and shipping was like 15$

bob
09-16-2006, 08:39 AM
Well, this thread has been somewhat dissapointing. If Saul downloaded the album, fine, that's the way he wants to get his music. But advertising it on the band's messageboard proudly is not something I'd do, although that point has already been stated. iTunes would probalby work and there is countless ways to get the album legally on October 3rd and as he clearly stated he doesn't care, so I don't see any point to this thread continuing unless we actually discuss the album Comatose like Saul wanted to. But Saul, if you wanted to discuss Comatose, I would have picked a better topic title.

timmyrotter
09-16-2006, 08:51 AM
yeah i dont know why this discussion continues. but on another note, Pillar is getting on my nerves. they are releasing thier single the exact same day as Whispers to active rock. too much competition.

Falinguplights
09-16-2006, 08:55 AM
Pillar is Awesome, I heard the new cd, Its great

timmyrotter
09-16-2006, 09:06 AM
yeah but id rather see skillet suceed, but i was wrong about what i said. Pillar cant stand in thier way, Whispers is gonna rock

bob
09-16-2006, 09:24 AM
That's just business. Pillar and Skillet don't really have any control over their singles getting released. I like both bands. I'm getting the Reckoning when it comes out.

Falinguplights
09-16-2006, 10:22 AM
Yea the Reckoning is an amazing cd, I'm not sure which is better Skillet's new cd or Pillar cause I've only heard, 5 New skillet songs and the Whole new Pillar cd, If u go 2 www.Familychristian.com U can pre-order it and hear the whole thing, thats the legal way to do it, there is others ways to hear it, Its all over the internet too, But I did pre-order it and have heard it its amazing, And I actually Got the link as Soon as I pre-ordered Pillars cd unlike Skillets I've been waiting forever for, Pillar's new cd is definatly Harder than they've ever been b4, and Skillet kinda toned down so This is gonna be a tough call

skynes
09-16-2006, 12:29 PM
About iTunes. Can't their songs only work on iPods? and not on any other form of MP3 player?

TheFireBreathes
09-16-2006, 12:49 PM
You cant really compare skillet to pillar. thier both totally different rock genres.

Tanel
09-16-2006, 01:33 PM
but on another note, Pillar is getting on my nerves. they are releasing thier single the exact same day as Whispers to active rock. too much competition.


But maybe it's Skillet who releases their single to active rock on the same day as Pillar? ;)

bob
09-16-2006, 02:11 PM
About iTunes. Can't their songs only work on iPods? and not on any other form of MP3 player?

iTunes converts everything you use on it to .aac, which is a file type that can only be used with iPod. As far as purchased music, I've never purchased from iTunes so I don't know the deal with it, but I'm pretty sure apple has some form of protection on it.

planet_kosmos
09-16-2006, 02:18 PM
iTunes converts everything you use on it to .aac, which is a file type that can only be used with iPod. As far as purchased music, I've never purchased from iTunes so I don't know the deal with it, but I'm pretty sure apple has some form of protection on it.

It's protected aac. which means that you can't convert it to other formats.

terrasin
09-16-2006, 04:08 PM
CDs release on perticular days of the week. Much like movies mostly release to theater on fridays and DVDs on tuesdays. So it's not really all that odd that Pillar and Skillet are releasing singles and albums on the same days. There are several others releasing those days as well.

CJ

timmyrotter
09-16-2006, 05:03 PM
But maybe it's Skillet who releases their single to active rock on the same day as Pillar? ;)

no becuase skillet has had whispers set to release since early august. pillar just got set to relese yesterday.

timmyrotter
09-16-2006, 05:04 PM
About iTunes. Can't their songs only work on iPods? and not on any other form of MP3 player?

the only way i know of is burning it to a cd then ripping it as mp3 or wma format.

dawn of light
09-16-2006, 09:01 PM
Well Pillar and Skillet's new Cd comes out on the same day why not the single? Maybe there's a "prime" amount of time to release a single before a cd comes out.

Tanel
09-17-2006, 12:59 PM
Yeah, I kind of don't believe that Pillar just releases stuff for contest! And besides, labels release singles.

neb0789
09-17-2006, 02:50 PM
being that i love pillar, i hope they both do awesome, and that skillet does a little better than pillar too!

Spiffles
09-18-2006, 12:47 AM
My post was mostly about how dumb it is having a whinge about downbloaded music and its quality..

You get what you pay for..



Wow. If I had forewarning, I would have ignored every post except for the ones posted by

Saul of course
Skynes
timmyrotter
Starbucks5721
Maugrim

They actually thought their posts through before clicking "quick reply"

1) It's not your job to get upset and judge this guy. The bible instructs us not to judge each other.
Matthew 7:1- Judge not, that you be not judged.
Luke 6:37- Judge not, and you shall not be judged. Condemn not, and you shall not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.
James 4:11- Do not speak evil of one another, brethren. He who speaks evil of a brother and judges his brother, speaks evil of the law and judges the law. But if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but a judge.

Ya with me?

2) He's going to pay for the CD. He has to wait until he can get to the states though. Read everything that Scott wrote, okay? Then it will become clear to you.

3) Before you post something, please think about it.


So.. your having a whinge about others having a whine??
lol
Your no better then anyone else doing that

(yes i realise i just degraded myself to the same level but i dont care)

timmyrotter
09-18-2006, 07:00 AM
i cant understand you, the the heck is a "whinge"?

dawn of light
09-18-2006, 08:02 AM
A whinge is an Australian term for whining. A whinger is someone who complains a lot. The only reason I know that is because a few months ago someone from Australia came to speak at our church and explained it.

alorian
09-18-2006, 08:49 AM
Actually, I wasn't whining :P

Whine- 1 a : to utter a high-pitched plaintive or distressed cry b : to make a sound similar to such a cry <the wind whined in the chimney>

I think it was more of a complaint :P

1 : to express grief, pain, or discontent
2 : to make a formal accusation or charge

*Yawns and stretches* I love posting 10 minutes after forcing yourself to roll outta bed after a long weekend :P

timmyrotter
09-18-2006, 10:47 AM
we definetly need to adopt an offical lanuage for the boards. that way there is less confusion.

dawn of light
09-18-2006, 11:22 AM
I say we use English. The Canadian version of course.

skynes
09-18-2006, 11:52 AM
Actually, I wasn't whining :P

Whine- 1 a : to utter a high-pitched plaintive or distressed cry b : to make a sound similar to such a cry <the wind whined in the chimney>

I think it was more of a complaint :P

1 : to express grief, pain, or discontent
2 : to make a formal accusation or charge

*Yawns and stretches* I love posting 10 minutes after forcing yourself to roll outta bed after a long weekend :P


5. a feeble, peevish complaint.

from dictionary.com


NO OFFICIAL LANGUAGE please. Or I'm utterly screwed since I only speak Norn Iron and bad English.

alorian
09-18-2006, 01:27 PM
I use http://www.m-w.com

planet_kosmos
09-18-2006, 01:36 PM
Actually, I wasn't whining :P

Whine- 1 a : to utter a high-pitched plaintive or distressed cry b : to make a sound similar to such a cry <the wind whined in the chimney>

I think it was more of a complaint :P

1 : to express grief, pain, or discontent
2 : to make a formal accusation or charge

*Yawns and stretches* I love posting 10 minutes after forcing yourself to roll outta bed after a long weekend :P

Whine is not the same as whinge - you got the definitiion right for whine but we're not discussing whining. We are discussing having a whinge. LOL.

dawn of light
09-18-2006, 01:41 PM
Ok so what is "having a whinge"?

planet_kosmos
09-18-2006, 01:50 PM
When someone says 'stop having a whinge' they mean stop complaining. ;)
I never thought Australia used such confusing slang.

dawn of light
09-18-2006, 02:18 PM
Well that's pretty much what I said. I actually used the words whine and complain to describe it.

Falinguplights
09-18-2006, 03:22 PM
Yea, So I just got my link, Ripped it onto my computer, its like really sweet quality. And the whole cd, its awesome, If anyone has already pre-ordered it and could show me proof I could send it if u can't wait, and Only got to hear it once. The cd is the best skillet has ever done, Very good cd

timmyrotter
09-18-2006, 03:53 PM
how many copyright laws did you break?

Spiffles
09-18-2006, 03:53 PM
Actually, I wasn't whining :P

Whine- 1 a : to utter a high-pitched plaintive or distressed cry b : to make a sound similar to such a cry <the wind whined in the chimney>

I think it was more of a complaint :P

1 : to express grief, pain, or discontent
2 : to make a formal accusation or charge

*Yawns and stretches* I love posting 10 minutes after forcing yourself to roll outta bed after a long weekend :P

This is from a yanky dictonary, so I know its not just an Australian thing..


whine  /ʰwaɪn, waɪn/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[hwahyn, wahyn] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation verb, whined, whin‧ing, noun
–verb (used without object)
1. to utter a low, usually nasal, complaining cry or sound, as from uneasiness, discontent, peevishness, etc.: The puppies were whining from hunger.
2. to snivel or complain in a peevish, self-pitying way: He is always whining about his problems.
–verb (used with object)
3. to utter with or as if with a whine: I whined my litany of complaints.
–noun
4. a whining utterance, sound, or tone.
5. a feeble, peevish complaint.


and for whinge (from same yanky dictoonary but it does say it is Aussie and British)

whinge  /ʰwɪndʒ, wɪndʒ/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[hwinj, winj] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–verb (used without object), whinged, whing‧ing. British and Australian Informal.
to complain; whine.


planet_kosmos wrote:

Whine is not the same as whinge - you got the definitiion right for whine but we're not discussing whining. We are discussing having a whinge. LOL.


it is actually the same meaning, (as quoted from dictionary above)

GuitarHero
09-18-2006, 05:00 PM
support the artist, buy a cd

Falinguplights
09-18-2006, 05:09 PM
For people that already Pre-order and were gonna get the cd anyways morons

terrasin
09-18-2006, 05:44 PM
For people that already Pre-order and were gonna get the cd anyways morons
There is a reason that Skillet made the streams one use only. They didn't want the streams to be copied. And there is no reason for verbal attacks. Please refrain from using them.

CJ

riz
09-18-2006, 06:17 PM
Why are we debating on the word "whinge" in this thread?

That's all I'm curious about now.

Falinguplights
09-18-2006, 06:18 PM
yea sorry about That im an idiot haha

BondageDuck
09-18-2006, 06:40 PM
You know, I think Skillet would be very sad to see this thread. Not because of the downloading music issues, but because so many of their fans & fellow Christians are accusing one another of things they don;t know & being so mean & hurtful. Skillet is out to promote the greatest thing ever, & their own fans are a pretty bad example. You all should be ashamed.

DustinRocks
09-19-2006, 12:11 AM
& their own fans are a pretty bad example. You all should be ashamed.

Luke 6:41
"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye...."

skynes
09-19-2006, 12:52 AM
whine/whinge, same thing here.

timmyrotter
09-19-2006, 07:50 AM
spmeone needs to lock this thread...

neb0789
09-19-2006, 10:17 AM
i agree with that

theelectric3
09-19-2006, 01:20 PM
no need to explain why this is being locked.. just read some posts if you're unsure why. if you feel it needs to be re-opened, please contact one of the moderators and we will be happy to assist you. :)

sonicspike
09-21-2006, 06:50 PM
Hey guys, since I've been on tour I didn't get a chance to comment on the 'downloading' thread/fiasco before it got closed out.

A few things.. first of all I have taken two semesters of US Copyright Law in college, and I have studied it on my own for a few years, so I consider myself pretty well educated on the subject and qualified to discuss it.

Secondly, a few things need to be cleared up from that thread. Downloading music without authorization is not illegal, and it is not really unlawful. What IS unlawful is sharing music on your computer for others to download. In other words, you do not have the right to copy and distribute those copies, only the copyright holder (thus the combined words "copy + right") has the right to distribute their creative works.

Also, copyright infringment is NOT theft meaning that downloading music, or even uploading music for others isn't stealing. It is simply copyright infringment, and there is no comparison of that to theft or shoplifting. Basically the reason behind this is because the original copyright owner is not really deprived of anything when infringment takes place. No where in US law does copyright infringment = theft.

And in the US, unless you are selling copies, copyright infringment usually isn't a criminal offense (between you and the government) but a civil offense (between you and another non-governmental entity). Civil offenses usually are lawsuits which result in big sums of money, criminal offenses usually result in jail time or some other punitive activity.

As for understanding US Copyright Law as it applies to Guatemala, well that is a VERY complicated topic and usually takes a team of international attorneys to be able to answer. They would have to research specifics of the Berne Convention, look at the signatories, see how Guatamala relates to the WTO, and if they have signed any traties/agreements in the 'intellectual property' realm. There is an entire host of international issues that come into affect when applied across national borders and is absolutely not a question that can be answered by anyone on this forum, myself included.

Is copyright infrignment morally right or wrong? Well, I can give my opinion on that but I have a feeling that if I do it might lead to another locked 'free-for-all' thread. However, I would like to ask everyone not to confuse legality with morality.

If this thread stays open very long, then perhaps I will share my opinion on the morality of copyright in a very non-confrontational manner.

will
09-21-2006, 08:18 PM
I've gone ahead and merged this last post into the thread. In the future, please recognize that when we close a thread, it's not an invitation to simply start a new thread on the exact same topic. I'm sorry that you didn't make it into the discussion before it got closed, but Tracy clearly stated that if anyone had more to add, they should contact a moderator.

[edit] and just for the curious, here is a thread (http://www.panheads.org/boards/showthread.php?t=144) discussing the exact same topic almost three years ago. I've pre-emptively closed that thread as well, but mention it here just as a reference. (and I'm sure in another few years, we'll have this conversation again)