SkFan1983
05-27-2007, 05:16 AM
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20America/devils_music_no_effect.htm He even says theres no Such thing as Christian Rock And he goes Ahead and even Judges the way they Look ::].

anniemareerose
05-27-2007, 06:36 AM
which point are u looking at exactly....? its a busy site

hi btw. =]

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If he is claiming that the style of music itself cant be 'christian' no i dont.

lyrically yes. of course. motivationally, yes. And anyone can get caught up in anything in the system of anything. so again, no on the front of rock n roll coming with certain supposed unescapable connotations etc....

DarkestRose
05-27-2007, 07:16 AM
I think he's another person who believes that all rock music--whether Christian or not--is evil and Christians should have no part of it. I've seen a site similar to this, so once I couldn't find any mention of Skillet, I left.

alienyouth9292
05-27-2007, 08:18 AM
that site has so much stuff that makes you laugh.....they criticized girl bands for wearing jeans!!

skynes
05-27-2007, 09:58 AM
*yawn*

oh sorry? Did I miss something?

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Nope, same arguments. Same twisting of words, same ignoring of common sense.

Move along folks, nothing to see here.

terrasin
05-27-2007, 10:31 AM
I had to laugh at his article on Mercury which was full of inaccurate information. As far as that whole Zoroastrianism thing, I frankly believe it to be nothing more than a publicity stunt on Mercury's part. After reading about his life, seeing interviews by people talking to him, and even looking at the influence in his music (i.e. the songs Jesus, All Gods People, My Life Has Been Saved, etc.) I'd put my money on him believing in Christ rather than truly being of Zoroastrianism faith. Even at that, he was a very private person. Most everything he did that the public saw was specifically for show. *shrugs*

This guy who made this site needs a life and proper information... idiot.

CJ

bob
05-27-2007, 08:02 PM
Sites like these have been discussed plenty of times in the history of panheads.org.

DarkestRose
05-27-2007, 08:07 PM
Sites like these have been discussed plenty of times in the history of panheads.org.

Thus Skynes' sleepiness. zzz

unshakeable15
05-29-2007, 03:12 PM
This page (http://www.av1611.org/crock/smithcan.html) on Dove Award requirements was interesting. I agreed with the quotes that the author of the page found disturbing. But of course, i expected that. :)

nsvol
05-31-2007, 06:31 PM
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20America/devils_music_no_effect.htm He even says theres no Such thing as Christian Rock And he goes Ahead and even Judges the way they Look ::].

i agree with you..........that is soooooo ridicules

bob
05-31-2007, 06:33 PM
Die Thread! Die!!!

DarkestRose
05-31-2007, 06:41 PM
You posting on it bumped it back up, Bob.

bob
05-31-2007, 06:44 PM
Did not. Nvsol did. :P

DarkestRose
05-31-2007, 06:48 PM
But then you posted and you're still posting.

I don't care about the existence or non-existence of this thread. So I can post however often I want to.

alienyouth9292
05-31-2007, 07:14 PM
if this thread is bothering u, just ignore it!!!!!

*sighs*

bob
05-31-2007, 07:27 PM
Give me a break guys. :P

NightCrawler
05-31-2007, 08:01 PM
"Christian Rock Or An Excuse for Christians to Rock? - DC Talk Examined"

OMG

Some Christian should've done this for comedy. How can anyone make this seriously? The ominous music in the background should be a tip-off. Especially when it has the link near the bottom for wholesome music. ROFL.

bob
05-31-2007, 08:04 PM
Yeah, there's another nut like that here:

http://av1611.org/crock/crockex1.html

Some people are just too much. :P

DarkestRose
05-31-2007, 08:57 PM
Give me a break guys. :P

Okay. *hug* <---for morale.

DarkestRose
05-31-2007, 08:59 PM
Any mention of Skillet?

bob
05-31-2007, 09:06 PM
Nope. I asked him to dig up stuff on Skillet and Disciple but he never did. :P

DarkestRose
05-31-2007, 09:08 PM
I've only found one site that mentioned Skillet. All that site did was quote John's statement about how he was going to rock each show everytime. I think they found this incriminating because of their rock=bad/evil belief.

alienyouth9292
06-01-2007, 04:12 AM
Yeah, there's another nut like that here:

http://av1611.org/crock/crockex1.html

Some people are just too much. :P



did POD really curse all those times that they listed?

bob
06-01-2007, 07:44 AM
did POD really curse all those times that they listed?

Probably.

DarkestRose
06-01-2007, 02:28 PM
Nope. I asked him to dig up stuff on Skillet and Disciple but he never did. :P

When did you ask this?

bob
06-01-2007, 04:53 PM
Oh, it was at least a year ago. I asked him to please insult Disciple considering that they include corresponding verses with each song inside the lyric book I could hardly see what's bad about them. :P

DarkestRose
06-01-2007, 04:56 PM
Oh, just wondering. People who come off overly condemning like that usually intimidate me and I find them scary. So I don't email their webpages ever.

john316
06-02-2007, 05:14 PM
Like Scott said these web sites have been discussed here before...so they are what they are.

I only thing i have in agreement with them is that there are some "christian" artist and even some ministers that I can not support...but I dont need a web site to tell who they are. I guess i am old fashioned but I rely on the Holy Spirit for that.

I also guess I am old fashioned on what I do about said artists/ministers etc...I dont go around telling people who they are or such...i just pray for them.

There is a saying that goes..."the best place to talk about somebody is on your knees"

DarkestRose
06-02-2007, 06:36 PM
What was their issue with the rock fist?

bob
06-03-2007, 10:42 PM
Some people say it's a satanic symbol. I think arguments over symbols are so lame.

DarkestRose
06-03-2007, 10:52 PM
So it doesn't really mean anything?

NightCrawler
06-07-2007, 06:03 AM
There is a saying that goes..."the best place to talk about somebody is on your knees"
That is an awesome saying, I have never heard that before.

NightCrawler
06-07-2007, 06:04 AM
So it doesn't really mean anything?

\m/ (-_-) \m/

Devil horns.

\m/
(-_-)

DarkestRose
06-08-2007, 12:58 AM
Jonathan, what was your point with the emoticons? I get that they do the same thing but besides that, I'm lost.

NightCrawler
06-08-2007, 09:13 PM
Rock fist --> worshiping satan! (devil horns!)

bob
06-09-2007, 11:54 AM
Rock fist --> worshiping satan! (devil horns!)

Oh no! Satan!

Heh, I always giggle when someone calls two holding two fingers up satanic. Well, maybe not giggle, but a good chuckle.

DarkestRose
06-09-2007, 11:17 PM
But what exactly is the origin of the sign?

Most people are just answering that people who think the rock fist is evil are being stupid. But they don't say why.

bob
06-09-2007, 11:52 PM
The stake of the creator of it is under dispute.

Ritchie Blackmore of Deep Purple claims to have created it as has Alice Cooper. I honestly don't know who was the first to use it.

DarkestRose
06-09-2007, 11:58 PM
What was it originally supposed to mean? Is it supposed to mean devil horns? Or something else and somebody distorted the meaning for an alternate purpose?

bob
06-10-2007, 12:01 AM
It's supposed to mean "rock on".

DarkestRose
06-10-2007, 12:02 AM
How so?

bob
06-10-2007, 12:06 AM
How does the middle finger mean what it means? :P

It's all association.

bob
06-10-2007, 12:13 AM
Apparently the horns are a vulgar sign in Mediterranean countries because it's associated with infidelity. I guess you learn something new every day.

Apparently Anton LaVey used them as a salute. Probably where they got the satanic background.

Gene Simmons also stakes claim to using it first.

* In the United Kingdom, the gesture is also known as the "hex".
* In the Netherlands, the gesture is known as the "Bokkegroet" (buck greeting).
* In Israel, the gesture is known as "Shabi" for its similarity to a snail from a children's TV show.
* In Turkey the sign is popular as a nationalist symbol for the Turkish people. It signifies wolf's ears, because of many legends that state wolves were guardians of ancient Turkish tribes near Western China. The thumb and middle fingers are pressed together to symbolise the wolf's face.
* In Wicca the sign is a symbol for the male or horned god.
* The sign is also seen displayed by John Lennon of the Beatles on the cover of the soundtrack for the Yellow Submarine film.

DarkestRose
06-10-2007, 01:14 AM
So how do we know if it is really okay to use it? Because it has been used to mean both neutral and bad things. I don't know if stigma should shame it forever. Still, if one person thinks it just means "rock on" but other sees it as evil, would it be wrong to do it simply because it offends another person and could be a stumbling block for them?

earthfiregurl
07-09-2007, 05:02 PM
I guess you'd have to be careful on who you did it around. My friend told me that her church told her that it ment the devil horns, but then again, i've been to her church and they are really overbeliving those kind of things.

DarkestRose
07-09-2007, 05:10 PM
My dad thinks they are too.

I wonder if it's something that changes with culture?

Somewhat off-topic, I was in Lincoln City, OR yesterday and the crosswalk light told people to not walk via a rock symbol, except the thumb was extended, so it was "love."