cowillis94
05-29-2007, 11:18 PM
this is a christian youtube! i hope you like it! i know i do.but,i dont know how to upload videos.:(

www.Godtube.com

bob
05-29-2007, 11:23 PM
What makes it "Christian"? Do they limit vulgar content?

DarkestRose
05-29-2007, 11:25 PM
Maybe it's Christian because it says "GOD" in the title. Could be?

bob
05-29-2007, 11:25 PM
Oh yeah, just a hint, see that large tab that says "upload"? Click on that, I'm sure it'll help. :P

cowillis94
05-29-2007, 11:29 PM
i know that much but it wont let me. i tried uploading a video once but it would not work.:( i'll keep trying,though!;D and what maske it christian is the fact that everything on there is christian,duh! LOL! and yes it does prevent vulger content which is good.

DarkestRose
05-29-2007, 11:34 PM
So if I wanted to have a video blog, it would have to be a Christian video blog? Meaning what? That I am a Christian and this is my video blog? That I talk about Christian things only? That I sign off by saying "Jesus rocks!" Or "God bless"? What goes?

Edit: By the cowillis94, I like your avatar.

bob
05-29-2007, 11:39 PM
The FAQ page and the About Us page on their site said nothing specific about what can and can't be uploaded.

The Lamma
05-30-2007, 10:40 AM
Probably no language, nudity, ect, ect.

bob
05-30-2007, 11:11 AM
Well, yeah . . . but the question we were asking is if there's a quota on the number of times you say God or Jesus in a video.

timmyrotter
05-30-2007, 11:55 AM
its christian because it is really Martin Luther Incarnate, now manifested as a christian youtube... get your facts right.

looks like someone didnt have that good of Karma...

DarkestRose
05-30-2007, 12:18 PM
I just feel a little cynical about having a "Christian Youtube." I can see a few pros in it but this probably is one of those things that non-Christians roll their eyes at, an example of evangelical pop culture.

skilletfreak101
05-30-2007, 12:35 PM
3 words: VERY VERY CHEESY

The Lamma
05-30-2007, 12:42 PM
Just because its Christian doesn't mean it has a 'say Jesus' quota! Some music it seems like it, but it would overly, icredibly dumb if the REQUIRED you to say Jesus 10 times in a vid.

DarkestRose
05-30-2007, 01:05 PM
I wasn't actually asking about a "Jesus per minutes" quota. Actually, I was questioning what made this more "Christian" than YouTube beside the censored content rules.

It seems to me that Christians just make a parallel world to the secular market. We have Christian Myspace, Christian American Idol, and now a Christian YouTube. This seems to me to be an attempt to disassociate and embrace American culture at the same time.

I like the idea of reaching people through the culture. I don't like the idea of further pushing Christian teens back into a "Christian stuff bubble" because we end up becoming so insulated from what other people go through, from what their feeling because all we know is a happy Christian bubble.

The Lamma
05-30-2007, 01:24 PM
I was responding to what Bob said. :) And there is Christian American Idol? Wow... But ya, Christians are paralleling the secular market. But at least Christian bands, for the most part, and authors like Dekker and Peretti aren't secularizing themselves.

DarkestRose
05-30-2007, 01:40 PM
I feel like GodTube is part of what contributes to a shallow spirituality because we’ve lowered God into a religious fad. This is nothing more than Christian pop culture. Of late, this has really irritated me because:

1. I dislike how Christians seem to need a Christian alternative for everything. We exist as people with our own music genre, books, and fashion, speaking to each other in religious acronyms (W.W.J.D., F.R.O.G.). Christians seem to have a habit of encasing them further into their sub-culture world until we cannot comprehend what non-Christians are going through and thus become completely ineffective witnesses because we only know of the world in theory.

2. I dislike how we seem to think that we need to make Jesus cool enough to fit in with the urbanite youth. So we want Jesus to fit in with the rockers, the skaters, the hip-hop crowd, the bikers, the Religious Right, the goths, the hippies or whoever, insisting that Jesus was totally “one of them.” We have lame parodies of name brand tee shirts and “extreme” Bibles all in the attempt to make Christianity cool. This looks a lot like us trying to make Jesus into our own image instead of letting Jesus transcend all of our stupid fads, molding us into His form.

I don't like when Christianity becomes little more than a capitalistic institution in America.

DarkestRose
05-30-2007, 02:07 PM
I was responding to what Bob said. :)

But he was responding to what I said. So it's connected a bit since we were responding to Bob who misunderstood me.

bob
05-30-2007, 03:52 PM
Yeah, not to mention, as Skilletfreak101 said, it comes off as cheesy. I mean, I don't know about you guys, but I'm not an anabaptist, nor do I ever plan on being one. :P

alienyouth9292
05-30-2007, 04:44 PM
a Christian myspace?

timmyrotter
05-30-2007, 04:47 PM
a Christian myspace?

ladies and gentlemen, i present to you the random question of the day.

DarkestRose
05-30-2007, 04:49 PM
1) If you search there are several sites that are Christians "myspaces" or Christian networking sites.

2) There was a Christian American Idol type of show called "Gifted." However, I don't know how well it hit off.

The Lamma
05-30-2007, 04:53 PM
PluggedIn mentioned a few 'Christian Myspaces', and they had weird names...

bob
05-30-2007, 05:11 PM
Like Godspace . . . remember, it's not YOUR space, it's his space.

Now how corny does that sound? :P

The Lamma
05-30-2007, 05:13 PM
Corny. :P But really, everything does belong to him...But that ^ would come across wrong, lol.

bob
05-30-2007, 05:46 PM
That's their actual slogan man. Too good to be made up. :P

The Lamma
05-30-2007, 05:51 PM
Lol. 'Tis true...

skilletfreak101
05-30-2007, 07:48 PM
I was responding to what Bob said. :) And there is Christian American Idol? Wow... But ya, Christians are paralleling the secular market. But at least Christian bands, for the most part, and authors like Dekker and Peretti aren't secularizing themselves.
this is totally off subject...but frank peretti is amazing!! haha just thought i'd say that. sorry.

cowillis94
05-30-2007, 09:29 PM
So if I wanted to have a video blog, it would have to be a Christian video blog? Meaning what? That I am a Christian and this is my video blog? That I talk about Christian things only? That I sign off by saying "Jesus rocks!" Or "God bless"? What goes?

Edit: By the cowillis94, I like your avatar.


thanks for the avatar comment! way of the master is my afv show!

cowillis94
05-30-2007, 09:31 PM
i know how to upload videos.but,it says there is something at the end that wont let me. so i dont know what to put at the end.:-[ :'( :-\

NightCrawler
05-31-2007, 06:10 AM
wait.

So.

Since YouTube is popular, there needs to be a place ([christianbuzzword]Tube.com) where Christians don't need to exercise discretion nor should they leave this place, because there is evil people at the original YouTube and YouTube lookalikes?

Sounds like someone wants money, not morality. If morality was a goal, then they would buy stock or otherwise invest ... then sway the owners with power.

eowyn
05-31-2007, 11:27 AM
I feel like GodTube is part of what contributes to a shallow spirituality because we’ve lowered God into a religious fad. This is nothing more than Christian pop culture. Of late, this has really irritated me because:

1. I dislike how Christians seem to need a Christian alternative for everything. We exist as people with our own music genre, books, and fashion, speaking to each other in religious acronyms (W.W.J.D., F.R.O.G.). Christians seem to have a habit of encasing them further into their sub-culture world until we cannot comprehend what non-Christians are going through and thus become completely ineffective witnesses because we only know of the world in theory.

2. I dislike how we seem to think that we need to make Jesus cool enough to fit in with the urbanite youth. So we want Jesus to fit in with the rockers, the skaters, the hip-hop crowd, the bikers, the Religious Right, the goths, the hippies or whoever, insisting that Jesus was totally “one of them.” We have lame parodies of name brand tee shirts and “extreme” Bibles all in the attempt to make Christianity cool. This looks a lot like us trying to make Jesus into our own image instead of letting Jesus transcend all of our stupid fads, molding us into His form.

I don't like when Christianity becomes little more than a capitalistic institution in America.

I agree and disagree.

It is something to be sensative of, because more and more our generation has no beginning point to even understand what Christ and the Church is even all about..because we are no longer a generation that has grown up in the church..or at least is familiar with it.

But, this debate is a little too complex to tie it only to clothing or music or "extreme" Bibles or what-not. This could also relate to the debate in many churches about whether or not to include contemporary worship.

But, viewing the corruption of the secular and entertaiment medias.. I want to flee..and run towards what is not deprived..whether it be Christian-based or benign classical/40's swing. So, in that way..it is understandable.

But, I don't apply the above points to the concept of "selling God"..

skynes
05-31-2007, 11:40 AM
It's nice not having to sift through a lot of the porn and profanity that gets posted on YouTube

After all it's so easy to ignore the "this has been classified as adult content, please sign in to prove your age" screen...

What is considered porn and profanity is relative. Even among Christians there's no absolute line.

eowyn
05-31-2007, 11:49 AM
After all it's so easy to ignore the "this has been classified as adult content, please sign in to prove your age" screen...

What is considered porn and profanity is relative. Even among Christians there's no absolute line.

Haha. Your sarcasm is duly-noted. I'm in post-Microbiology (Over 300 flashcards of viruses) exam mode.

skynes
05-31-2007, 12:06 PM
Your sarcasm is duly-noted.

Why thank you.

But seriously Youtube have a report system in place. If you deem something to be inappropriate, report it. If enough people report it, they label it as 'mature content' and give that warning to anyone who tries to watch the video.

Myspace also has a report functions for inappropriate profiles.

But Christians don't use em... It's so much easier to just whine about the way they are and do nothing to change it, even though a system is in place TO change it.

Why try and change when separating yourself into Godtube (http://www.godtube.com/)or Godspace (http://www.godspace.com/)is so much easier?


300 flashcards of viruses

Hopefully not the size of a virus. Be quite hard to read then.

eowyn
05-31-2007, 12:11 PM
Hopefully not the size of a virus. Be quite hard to read then.

Clever :afro: Luckily no.

The Lamma
05-31-2007, 12:53 PM
I agree somewhat that a bunch of this is out for the money. I mean, Fox saw some potential in the Christian market, and were like "MONEEEEEEEEEEEEYYYY!!!" and created FoxFaith. And I only use YouTube if I looking for some specific something, such as a music vid, a movie trailer, and clip from a movie, something someone said to watch, ect. Actually, I have no clue how you guys manage to watch a billion movie on it. Do you search random words or what?

DarkestRose
05-31-2007, 01:49 PM
I search YouTube somewhat often. Firstly, for Skillet videos and secondly, for just random stuff I think might be interesting. Such as I researched videos about schizophrenia on there. And I found the totally awesome "I'm a Marvel...I'm a DC" video series there.

skynes
05-31-2007, 02:06 PM
I have friends. They tend to find the craziest stuff.

bob
05-31-2007, 02:14 PM
I guess all I'm waiting for now is the GodTunes player. ::]

DarkestRose
05-31-2007, 02:15 PM
Like Godspace . . . remember, it's not YOUR space, it's his space.

Now how corny does that sound? :P

If just found out that the GodTube catchphrase is "Broadcast HIM" versus YouTube's "Broadcast Yourself."

unshakeable15
05-31-2007, 04:13 PM
I was responding to what Bob said. :) And there is Christian American Idol? Wow... But ya, Christians are paralleling the secular market. But at least Christian bands, for the most part, and authors like Dekker and Peretti aren't secularizing themselves.
What do you mean by "secularizing themselves"?

Personally, i find more meaning in a Madeleine L'Engle novel (she's a Christian who writes fiction and is published by whomever) as opposed to a Peretti novel (he's a Christian who writes Christian fiction and is published by a Christian publisher).

DarkestRose
05-31-2007, 04:32 PM
I don't know what secularizing means either.

Have you read Walking on Water by Madeline L'Engle? That was a good book. I like the concept of marrying faith and writing, the way she described it.

unshakeable15
05-31-2007, 04:37 PM
It only happens to be my favorite book. :) I have a hardback copy and i asked for my boss to order a copy so i can stick it on my "FAVES" shelf at work (even though we're a used book store and therefore generally stick to used books).

eowyn
05-31-2007, 05:27 PM
I didn't know she was a Christian writer. Adore her Wrinkle in Time..as well as the one about the alternate universe? can't think of the name right now..

The Lamma
05-31-2007, 05:45 PM
I guess all I'm waiting for now is the GodTunes player. ::]

But we can already choose exactly what will be on our iTunes, lol.

And by 'secularizing' I mean being conformed to the secular market and the world, more like.

unshakeable15
06-04-2007, 05:06 PM
But we can already choose exactly what will be on our iTunes, lol.

And by 'secularizing' I mean being conformed to the secular market and the world, more like.
But since we are supposed to still be a part of the world, pulling out isn't the answer either. I much prefer authors such as C.S. Lewis, who was very open about his faith, even in his fiction, or Madeleine L'Engle, who integrates aspects of her faith into her stories, even bits of her doubt. It makes faith more accessible to everyone, not just believers. And who needs to talk about faith to a believer; they already believe!

Therefore, things like GodSpace are, in my opinion, just a waste of space.

skynes
06-05-2007, 02:18 AM
If I consider the number of people affected by my Myspace profile, believers AND unbelievers. Then if I consider the impact on Godspace, it's clear to me staying at Myspace is the best option.

The Lamma
06-05-2007, 11:14 AM
But since we are supposed to still be a part of the world, pulling out isn't the answer either.

It depends what you mean by 'part of the world'. When I say that, I'm talking about being one with the world, holding on and never letting go. Being one of the worldly sinners, with sinful lusts. You mean living on the planet and living among the sinners, but not being one of them.

DarkestRose
06-05-2007, 01:18 PM
I think the Christian market already is conformed to the world because whenever they get an idea of a product or service, we copy and "Christianize" them, then we call our version holier because it's Christian.

It's basically the same thing that the world has to offer. So it seems that nothing is wrong with the product itself and we're just messing around with "good label" and "bad label."

And like Skynes said, with more non-Christians on Myspace than GodSpace, there is more change to make an impact. Same deal with GodTube and Youtube. If those videos were on YouTube, they probably would have more chance to make an impact.

Christians say that we want to let our light shine. But then we hang out with all the other lights away from the darkness which defeats our purpose.

unshakeable15
06-07-2007, 12:56 PM
It depends what you mean by 'part of the world'. When I say that, I'm talking about being one with the world, holding on and never letting go. Being one of the worldly sinners, with sinful lusts. You mean living on the planet and living among the sinners, but not being one of them.
To be part of something (say, humanity) is to share something in common. We are part of this world; we share life together. We all eat, breathe, listen to music, read, learn, grow, share, love, hurt, laugh. We are part of humanity. We suffer, we cherish our friends and family, we want to be better people who live in a better world.

But even though we share humanity and this world with everyone around us, we have another home. You can be part of the American public without be American. If you move to Egypt, you will be part of the Egyptian public, the Egyptian community. To move to Egypt and seclude yourself in an American sector and live as much of your life as you can in that hovel of friends, you can't make much of an impact on the Egyptian community around you. And we all know they need help (just as the American community needs help).

The Lamma
06-07-2007, 02:38 PM
I don't think you got what I meant. Where I live, when we say 'part of the world', we mean stuff like what the Bible says 'worldly lusts', and 'do not be conformed to this world'. Do you get what I'm saying yet?

DarkestRose
06-08-2007, 01:01 AM
One can be apart from the Christian industry and still live apart from worldly values. People did so before the concept of Christian stuff was conceived.

And it's not that Christian stuff is bad. It can just be dividing between Christians and non-Christians. I think non-Christians sometimes perceive Christians as wanting to wall themselves off from the secular world.

The Lamma
06-09-2007, 10:41 AM
...



...



...

Romans 12:2
And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.

Titus 2:12
...teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly in the present age...

skynes
06-09-2007, 01:31 PM
Here are my thoughts:

Jesus hung around sinners. He ate with them, He drank with them, He partied with them, He stayed up reaaally late healing and helping them.

He didn't physically remove Himself from their presence (except to go pray)

However, spiritually and righteously He WAS separate from them, for although He was physically close His holiness was far away.

As Christians we should not separate ourselves from the world. What use is salt in the salt jar? It's only useful if its ON the food!

So regarding Godspace and stuff, I don't think it's necessary. I've been able to do a perfectly fine job at Myspace without needing to separate myself.

As Christians we need to walk in righteousness regardless of physical surroundings. This can be accomplished only by the Holy Spirit. It doesn't require we separate ourselves from unbelievers. What use is a light under a hat? Place the light where it's seen by all!
What use is a candle in a lit room? Would it not serve a better purpose placed in a room with no light at all?

In saying this however, I believe that Christians need Christian-only time.

People invite unbelievers to church and to bible study. I don't think that's right. Bible studies are not evangelistic they're for the building up of beleivers. 1st Cor says that unbelievers cannnot understand the Bible, so this unbeliever you invited was sitting confused for an hour.

Also church on sunday is for worshipping God and building up the church, it isn't evangelistic either.

You can make evangelistic bible studies and services, i.e. tailoring the whole thing to preaching the Gospel, but if the whole church was preaching the Gospel, who would be making Disciples of these new Christians? If the whole church is making Disciples, who is preaching the Gospel to make new Christians?

Balance between the two is required.

The Lamma
06-09-2007, 08:37 PM
^Agreed. On;y Christians can understand church and Bible studies.

However, spiritually and righteously He WAS separate from them, for although He was physically close His holiness was far away.
Thats what I was basically trying to say. Jesus wasn't conformed to them, although he lived on the same planet, same country, same city, and even sometimes dined in the same house.

DarkestRose
06-09-2007, 09:29 PM
So we have an agreement that Christians live by different standards than the world.

However that doesn't correlate to why Christians need a "Christian alternative" for everything.

bob
06-09-2007, 10:32 PM
I'm personally waiting for a Christian soda. I can see it now: Christ-ola!

skynes
06-10-2007, 06:26 AM
Christian cheese - Godonzola or Godon Blue.
Christian biscuits - Ginger Christs! Or chocolate covered ginger Christs.
Christian frying pans! For that non-stick sinfulness.
Christian fried chicken, made with real chickens made by the Father's hands.
Christian string, for avoiding the entanglement of sin.

and lets not forget... Testa-mints. The truthful mintiness.

However that doesn't correlate to why Christians need a "Christian alternative" for everything.

They don't need it. The wallets of the owners need it.

It certainly isn't helped by those preachers who tell kids "You should have nothing to do with the world, not in friendship, not in clothing, not in music, not in anything"

So off go these teenage over passionate time-bombs removing all traces of the world from their lives, then they wonder 6 months down the line why their evangelism does nothing.

DarkestRose
06-10-2007, 09:57 AM
I have met no Christian who wanted any association with Testa-Mints. We think they are as stupid as non-Christians do.

bob
06-10-2007, 10:50 AM
At least they're minty.

DarkestRose
06-10-2007, 11:17 AM
That's a nice, positive thing to say! You're awesome, Bob. :D

NightCrawler
06-11-2007, 12:18 PM
Christian frying pans! For that non-stick sinfulness.

You mean like a Skillet?

It certainly isn't helped by those preachers who tell kids "You should have nothing to do with the world, not in friendship, not in clothing, not in music, not in anything"

2 Corinthians 6:17 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=54&chapter=6&verse=17&version=9&context=verse)
Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.

The Lamma
06-11-2007, 12:23 PM
I hate to tell you this...But my local Christian bookstore sells Christian fish-mints...

And I think in that ^ verse, its not saying don't live among sinners, 'cause Christ did it himself.

skynes
06-12-2007, 12:13 AM
You mean like a Skillet?


Skillet is a kind of frying pan.

It certainly isn't helped by those preachers who tell kids "You should have nothing to do with the world, not in friendship, not in clothing, not in music, not in anything"

Point I was making was that today, kids are told "wear only Christian clothes, listen to only Christian music, hand around other Christians only, read only Christian books" and none of that is Biblical. Not one iota.

In 1st century AD there was no Christian music, Christian clothes or Christian books. Paul did not make Christian tents, Jesus did not make Christian chairs.

NightCrawler
06-12-2007, 07:08 AM
In 1st century AD there was no Christian music

Yes, there was. But it wasn't commercialized, but Jesus and his disciples sang hymns, as well as the early church and apostles.

bob
06-12-2007, 09:38 AM
Yeah, it was before people decided: "Hey, let's sell Jesus."

The Lamma
06-12-2007, 11:24 AM
There were Christian books, once Paul, John and them got out there. :P

DarkestRose
06-12-2007, 12:01 PM
I think they mean Christian books besides the Bible.

The Lamma
06-12-2007, 08:01 PM
In case you haven't noticed, I use sarcasm, too!!! (it is often pointed out by ':P'...)

DarkestRose
06-12-2007, 08:02 PM
Well that face could mean: 1) sarcasm, 2) so there!,3) just kidding, or a number of things.

The Lamma
06-12-2007, 08:13 PM
In the case of applicable sarcasm, 'so there', or j/k, it should be obvious...That time it was kinda mix between sarcasm and joking around.

DarkestRose
06-12-2007, 10:47 PM
Back on topic though, I think the point of how they didn't have Christian stuff back in Biblical days or even the early days of our country, was made to point out that Christians have had faith thrive without having different "Christian" products, and often it seems like their faith was stronger, more poetic.

bob
06-12-2007, 10:49 PM
Perhaps living under a government that killed Christians had a huge impact on the Christian merchandise market . . .

DarkestRose
06-12-2007, 10:53 PM
Probably for Biblical times. However, my point was also in the 1700s and 1800s when Christians relied mostly on Bibles, prayer books and hymnals. Part of me has been attracted to that because their faith seems more pure, without all the modern junk, right to the heart of a prayerful, worshipful intimacy with God.

bob
06-12-2007, 10:55 PM
Manifest Destiny didn't seem too biblical to me.

I agree that materialism is a lot more evident today, but I won't go as far as to say that everyone in the 18th and 19th Centuries were holier than the people of today are.

DarkestRose
06-12-2007, 10:57 PM
I know they weren't holier. I mean, in Huck Finn there were still legalistic Christians like the widow, which I think Mark Twain used to satirized Christians he'd met because he had some snarky things to say about the Christian religion back then.

skynes
06-12-2007, 11:04 PM
Yes, there was. But it wasn't commercialized, but Jesus and his disciples sang hymns, as well as the early church and apostles.


Would you suggest then that Jesus and the Apostles would openly support the Christian entertainment industry?

If todays industry, existed then.

Would Jesus praise them for doing a good thing? Or scold them for being money obsessed?

DarkestRose
06-12-2007, 11:06 PM
That is hard to say. Because I think those things do bear some good fruit and probably help in bringing people to Jesus. However, it does overlap with commericial goals. Problem is that it still also causes Christians to island away from each other and be able to be more externally Christian than internally.

skynes
06-13-2007, 12:00 AM
Problem is that it still also causes Christians to island away from each other and be able to be more externally Christian than internally.


So would Jesus not then suggest you stay in the world? Among the people? Relating to them, listening to them and not isolating yourself off at all? (Bar righteously of course)

--

Quite a diversion this topic has taken...

DarkestRose
06-13-2007, 12:55 AM
I probably should re-phrase that I meant, firstly, the "youth groupie" culture of mainstream Christian stuff causes Christian kids to become cliquish. They were Christian clothes, listen to only Christian music, hang out together at youth group events, read only Christian books, and eventually they become kids stuck on a Christian island.

skynes
06-13-2007, 12:56 AM
and eventually they become kids stuck on a Christian island.

They end up burnt out due to all the Passion preaching and completely unable to relate to anything in the world

DarkestRose
06-13-2007, 01:03 AM
Like your Myspace entry, which was really great, they way.

The Lamma
06-13-2007, 12:08 PM
There are two kinds of Christian artist, the first being the ones that simply want the money, because its a good way to get it. Those guys are for materialism, and I wouldn't think that Christ would support them. The second kind would be the ones out there for the ministry and such over the money. Yes, they do want the money because they need it, but the reason is the ministry, not the money. I think Christ would support these guys.

DarkestRose
06-13-2007, 12:10 PM
I don't think I've heard of any Christian artist in it for the money. Most of them seem to have some ministry or message that they want to get across it seems.

skynes
06-13-2007, 12:28 PM
I don't think I've heard of any Christian artist in it for the money. Most of them seem to have some ministry or message that they want to get across it seems.

Of course. Materialism doesn't sell records in the Christian market. If a band turned round and said "we're in it for the money" the Christian market would drop them like a tonne of bricks.

DarkestRose
06-13-2007, 12:32 PM
How can anybody tell then?

skynes
06-13-2007, 12:43 PM
To the public eye, I doubt you could. You'd need to be closer to them to see their day to day life and attitude.

The Lamma
06-13-2007, 02:46 PM
I guarentee they are out there. But, like Skynes said, you'd have to really look at them to find that out. Remember Evanesance? They weren't out there for the ministry, no way.

unshakeable15
06-13-2007, 02:52 PM
I've come across a few (and some that i have a sense of this without actually having any contact with them), but i will decline to state who for their own sake.

unshakeable15
06-13-2007, 02:56 PM
I guarentee they are out there. But, like Skynes said, you'd have to really look at them to find that out. Remember Evanesance? They weren't out there for the ministry, no way.
They weren't a Christian band either.

They were in the Christian market (through Christian bookstores and the like), but the entire band wasn't even composed of professing Christians.

DarkestRose
06-14-2007, 03:44 AM
I agree that a band presumably would not state materialism as their reason for joining the Christian market. There must be some other factors to knowing who is in the industry for worldly motivations however. Otherwise people here would not have their suspicions. So what is everyone else evaluating on?

skynes
06-14-2007, 05:08 AM
I don't evaluate... I don't care if a band is in it for money or in it for Ministry. If they're up-front about why they're doing it, I'm fine with it.

The Lamma
06-14-2007, 08:39 AM
If I like the music, I like the music. End of story. :P If you look into their lives, you'll see it. Are they trashing hotels, or are they supporting charities? Are they swearing and using the Lord's name in vain, or do they keep away from that? That kind of stuff doesn't always tell you, but it could slightly. If you were to use something like that, come up with something better. :)

fryingpan
06-14-2007, 08:45 AM
I wasn't actually asking about a "Jesus per minutes" quota. Actually, I was questioning what made this more "Christian" than YouTube beside the censored content rules.

It seems to me that Christians just make a parallel world to the secular market. We have Christian Myspace, Christian American Idol, and now a Christian YouTube. This seems to me to be an attempt to disassociate and embrace American culture at the same time.

I like the idea of reaching people through the culture. I don't like the idea of further pushing Christian teens back into a "Christian stuff bubble" because we end up becoming so insulated from what other people go through, from what their feeling because all we know is a happy Christian bubble.

w0w thats actually exactly what i wanted to say but a million times better than i would have said it <3

love michael

DarkestRose
06-14-2007, 09:05 AM
I found two typos in that. I meant to type "dissociated with" and in the last sentence it should be "they're" not "their."

The Lamma
06-14-2007, 09:10 AM
I think we all got what you meant, either way. :)

DarkestRose
06-14-2007, 09:55 AM
Yes, but I had an ineptitude when it comes to knowing how to take compliments. So I was re-reading my entry to see if I could add anything and I found mistakes and for some reason found critique to be an adequate response. I don't fully understand why. I am also obsessive about clarity.

NightCrawler
06-14-2007, 01:29 PM
Ambiguity can be nice if used for the right reasons. For example: Five Iron Frenzy's live album "Proof that the Youth are Revolting"

But I most often run into the wrong reasons. Such as avoiding answers. And other wrong reasons, often in politics...

And this I just found on a site:
"To describe a person with lackluster credentials: 'All in all, I cannot say enough good things about this candidate or recommend him too highly.'"

I don't like ambiguity unless I cause it.

"I just threw something away with my bleeding toe."