06-28-2007, 05:57 PM
i've been thinking...about standards and morals and such. i used to have really high standards...i wouldnt watch movies with swearing in them or listen to "secular" music. i wouldnt swear...or do 'ungodly' things...whatever that is..anyways, i felt that i was being too judgemental...and the thing is that Jesus was all about love and excepting people...but he didnt become like them...because He's perfect...and i'm not. so here's the thing. i listen to "secular" music (i dont really like labelling music christian and secular, it's more like postive and negative..but most people don't understand) and i watch movies with swearing in it. But should we have limits?? How are we standing out among our friends that don't know God if we do the same things they do? If we don't have morals then what do they see in us? This is really frustrating for me because i'm not sure where to set my standards anymore..don't listen to marilyn manson or watch porn and then you're fine. i don't know...i love the show Friends it makes me happy and makes my heart feel lighter and it makes me laugh..but everyone sleeps with each other. i like bands such as nirvana...but kurt cobain wasn't the most positive role model...I sometimes swear...i don't go blasting f-bombs and i dont usually do it in front of people but i still sometimes do it...WHAT ARE WE SUPPOSED TO BE LIKE..or does it not matter? am i just being paranoid or something?
06-29-2007, 12:35 AM
Read your Bible daily and pray daily.
Spend some time praying about this. Cause it's different for every person.
What you read in the Bible, do it.
Everything you listed there, is not Biblical standard, it's contemporary church standard and the two could not be further apart.
The Song of Solomon is a pornographic book. Hebrew boys under 13yrs old were BANNED from reading it due to its content!
Jewish jokes consisted of insults. Most of the King names in the Old Testament aren't their real names. They're slanderous names the Jews gave them like "King of the big nose" etc.
Paul swore. It's been edited out of our Bibles (a fact I hate) but when he uses the word garbage or trash, he actually means horse excrement.
As for violence and gore? The Bible describes a guy who had a tent peg rammed into his temple, out the other temple and impaled his head to the ground.
When you consider this in the Bible. These 'morals' are somehow contradictory to scripture.
If you want to make an effect on yoru friends, then love them. When they're hurt, comfort them. When they're happy, rejoice with them. When you're angry, say so and say you're gonna walk away because you don't want to say anything that will hurt them.
Ok now limits. As I said this varies, but to give you an idea I'll use myself as an example.
Violence: I like violence games and movies, but only to a degree. FEAR I'm fine with, ManHunt I'm not... Why? Manhunt is gratuitous. Violence without a cause. I tried watching the Youtube vid of all the Manhunt kills, I got half way through and stopped cause it sickened me.
Music: I base my music upon my discernment and emotions. How does it make me feel? Slipknot, Slayer etc. make me feel very depressed. I don't understand why but when I listen to a single song of Slipknot, later that day I'm heavily depressed. So I don't listen to them. Swearing I dislike, but it depends on context whether I listen or not.
Movies: Most movies are fine for me, except those that dwell in the occult. Due to personal experiences I avoid occult movies, one because they're inaccurate, two cause they usually praise the evil and three they teach that waving your hand and saying a magic word can dispel the demons.
like bands such as nirvana...but kurt cobain wasn't the most positive role model...
Your only role model should be Christ. Period. Even singers of Christian bands are bad role models cause they are sinful humans.
WHAT ARE WE SUPPOSED TO BE LIKE..or does it not matter?
Christ. Christ and again... Christ.
Love like He loved, care like He cared. Show compassion and understanding. Give people your time and energy.
Do you like a 'secular' band that the church disproves of but an unbeliever likes? Guess what! You now have something in common with him, something to set common ground and build a friendship with.
If everyone was exactly like the church said... I doubt many people would be saved, cause they isolate themselves off in their wee Christian bubble where the outside world isn't welcome. I don't say be like the world, I do say be in the world.
06-29-2007, 07:35 AM
thanks. that was pretty helpful. how do you know the thing about paul swearing? is there somewhere to check that out?? you wish they had kept it in the bible or do you hate that he did it in the first place??
06-29-2007, 07:48 AM
how do you know the thing about paul swearing?
My old Pastor has a Jewish Bible, very very accurate.
is there somewhere to check that out??
Get a concordance with a hebrew/greek lexicon. Find the garbage word and look it up! Though even there it's dumbed down to 'excrement' or something.
you wish they had kept it in the bible or do you hate that he did it in the first place??
Sorry, should have made that clear. I hate that it was edited out and replaced with a general term garbage. I think that kind of stuff shows the Bible and the 'no swearing' ideology of the church in a different light.
06-29-2007, 11:51 AM
I feel contradictory about violence. I don’t mind action/adventure type films that I have violence like the Die Hard movies or 24, but I find movies like slasher horror flicks to have really sick, gory violence and I will not watch those movies.
My deal with music is more the message. I like some hardcore bands, but my preferences is simply that they have a positive, hope-filled message instead of on set one depression and anger. I don’t always mind cursing though. I depends a lot on the context though because I won’t like it if they are aiming their curse words at other people.
I also agree with Skynes about movies that have an occultic theme.
06-29-2007, 12:42 PM
I really have nothing to say in this case Movies are for enjoyment and so is music.As for swearing it happens we all swear out of anger,fear,emotion and so-on.Um music I don't really listen to music but when I do it always a christian band.Movies well pointless gore or nudity is what I don't watch but music and movies are just for fun
06-29-2007, 01:01 PM
I do think that things like television, movies, music, Internet sites visited and books read all affect your thoughts and can influence what you say and do. So they should be monitored. I don't think it is just an enjoyment issue.
06-29-2007, 04:46 PM
I kinda think it depends on how it effects you. Like I'll watch gorey movies if my friends want to, but it's not like i'm a robot or something and just absorb everything i hear/watch. I think if by doing/watching something and it's changing the way you think/act in a negative way, then it's not good and you shouldn't be doing it.
Jesus ate with the sinners but that doesn't mean He was a sinner..
06-29-2007, 07:07 PM
yea, i like and listen to bands like slipknot/system of a down/disturbed/etc. and they dont affect my thoughts ('cept gettin me pumped up before a fight (karate..)
as for tv/movies, so long as its not like ic, i could care less whats in it really. so long as its not to messed up. (same goes for music.)
06-29-2007, 07:13 PM
06-29-2007, 11:55 PM
07-01-2007, 05:31 PM
As for swearing it happens we all swear out of anger,fear,emotion and so-on.Um music I don't really listen to music but when I do it always a christian band.Movies well pointless gore or nudity is what I don't watch but music and movies are just for fun
so this makes it right? if "everyone" does something that makes it ok? personally, i think that is a very weak foundation for morals. when is it enough? with that mindset, wouldn't we just move with the shifting sand beneath our feet?
i agree with Scott's advice. pray and let God show you. He will... and He wants to show you. He is not the author of confusion.
movies and music (media in general) are powerful. even though they are for entertainment... we still need to be careful what we place before our eyes and in our ears. our bodies are the temple of God... so where are we taking Him? what are we letting in?
07-02-2007, 10:07 AM
it's interesting how you put it 'he's not the author of confusion' ...i agree..but sometimes i tell you i get so confused with what he wants for me lol. i definetely agree with your last paragraph...its very powerful..thats why im not sure if im okay with where i am or if i should be changing..
07-02-2007, 08:25 PM
it's a good place to be... checking one's self... open to change... (your Smith Wigglesworth quote smacked me hard... thanks)
we get confused when our emotions get into play because they constantly change with whatever "feels" right at the time. of even if we can mentally justify why we do something....
but if there is no peace, perhaps Christ never wanted us there in the first place.
read His word, spend time with Him... mediate on His word... and compare it to what you listen to and watch.
God WANTS to and WILL show you. :)
let the peace of God be an indicator.
let Christ rule.
most often when we say we aren't sure... we really know deep down what is right but something is hard for us to let go... do we really want to let it go? and so we try to justify it by saying "was that You Father? What do You want?" trying to make His simple answer more complex than it is.
yes means yes.
no means no.
the rest of it comes with us settling His truth in our hearts.
07-03-2007, 07:29 PM
thanks. and the smith wigglesworth quote got to me to..it was on my brothers wall..and i just sat there staring at it and im thinking wow..is that even possible?
07-05-2007, 12:19 PM
Also take Romans 14 into account. Paul talks there of two men (hypothetical), one who eats meat that was originally offered as a sacrifice to an idol, the other who finds that morally wrong and a detriment to his spirit.
Paul says that neither man is wrong so long as he follows what God tells him is right. He sums up pretty well in verses 22-3: So whatever you believe about these things keep between yourself and God. Blessed is the man who does not condemn himself by what he approves. But the man who has doubts is condemned if he eats, because his eating is not from faith; and everything that does not come from faith is sin.
My roommate, Brian, does not listen to much secular music at all because it once had a huge impact on his life. His main fare now is Christian rock and worship. I, however, do not find 90% of the songs on the radio a detriment to my spiritual health, like Brian does. I do have my limits, of course, but they are mine. I do not try to reset Brian's limit, nor does he condemn mine (though he does encourage otherwise).
Follow faithfully the course God sets for you. As you mature in your faith, you might find yourself gaining more "freedom" in your musical choices or movie ratings. You might find yourself more "limited" in your choices. Either way, if you follow as God leads, it will be the correct choice.
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