As I announced (http://www.panheads.org/boards/showthread.php?t=6243) a couple of months ago, Jade and I have decided to step down from the site and turn everything over to the band. While things have seemed quiet on that front since then, we've actually been very busy working out the logistics with the band's management, and have come to the best resolution we could given the resources available.

Panheads.org will be going offline July 15 (give or take a day). The message boards will be moved over to skillet.com, but the content will be scaled back to include only the Skillet related areas of the boards. The old boards (what you're reading now) and the rest of the site will be taken offline, so if there is anything important you want to keep, now is the time to get it. While we are still working out some of the details, the new boards will have a new team of moderators and hopefully increased involvement from the band and their management. If all goes as planned, it should be a fairly seamless transition... things will look and feel a bit different, but you won't need to register again or anything.

I can't possibly say how big a part of my life this place has been for the last six years. Dozens of volunteers have spent countless hours over the years to make this place what it is (moderating the boards & chatroom, leading discussions and Bible studies, assisting with artwork, providing photos, etc), and for that I am truly grateful. It is definitely a bittersweet moment to see it go, but I'm happy that we were able to work it out for things to continue over on skillet.com. As I said in my original post, this is certainly not good-bye for good... we will just be supporting the band in other ways going forward.

-will

wow...

Is there a date for when the site goes up on Skillet.com?

id assume its going up at the same time.

id assume its going up at the same time.

yep... that's the plan.

That fast? Cool. :D

Are we going to need to register with new screennames?

Edit: Never mind. It's the first post. Gosh, I need to read. *Sits in corner with dunce cap*

Is that meant to be July 15 as in thirteen days.. or July 15 2008 as in a year away? Cause it sounds as though it's happening immediately but the date given says otherwise. Blah. Yeah.

Anyway. I'm pretty sad to see this happen. But I'm glad to have been a part of the team while I was. PH.org was a big part of my life as well and I loved every minute of it while I was on staff. Uhm. kthxbye.

Is that meant to be July 15 as in thirteen days.. or July 15 2008 as in a year away? Cause it sounds as though it's happening immediately but the date given says otherwise. Blah. Yeah.

oops. :) fixed.

man, this really sucks. but i guess its best for everyone....so the only part of the boards that will "survive" are the Frying Pan sections?

WHAT???!?!??!?!?? Only band freaking related...... Will, are you keeping the rights to this site or can you give them to somebody else? I know next to jack about running a message board, but I could readily find someone. For the last six years the AYMB, then this place, became a sort of home to me. I'd hate to see it go so suddenly like this. I mean, how many of us are actually going to register at the skillet.com boards when only band related discussion is going on?

I know I have been gone a while but when I heard about this I had to come by to give ya'll a PIECE OF MY MIND!

Just teasing. :)

Kinda speechless, really. I thought this place would outlast my presense on the Internet and even the band itself. :P In a sense it'll still be around, but it'll be like the half-brother of this site. Kinda empty.

I am a bit on the busy side, too much so to linger here for long so I will just say it's kinda sad to see this old place close down. I was just thinking about it the other day so I suppose I mighta jynxed it, LOL! ;) I'll try to pop in here and there till it closes, but I am really, really busy so I gotta go even now.

the forum will live on guys, just not here. dont forget that, i better not see any of you leaving during the change. :)

I'm trying to think of something to say but can't! Well hey, I'll be at skillet.com when the change happens.

WHAT???!?!??!?!?? Only band freaking related...... Will, are you keeping the rights to this site or can you give them to somebody else? I know next to jack about running a message board, but I could readily find someone. Everything I wrote in the initial post in April still holds true... I've handed full control of everything over to the band and have allowed them decide how to proceed. At one point not too long ago the plan was to just close the community altogether, but the recent success with radio has indicated that it may be good to keep some things around. Actual control of the panheads.org domain was transferred to the band a couple of weeks ago.

For the last six years the AYMB, then this place, became a sort of home to me. I'd hate to see it go so suddenly like this. I mean, how many of us are actually going to register at the skillet.com boards when only band related discussion is going on?As I said in the first post of this thread, you won't have to register at skillet.com.... we're copying everything over from these boards in terms of users, Skillet discussions, etc.

So....what exaclly do you mean, like almost everything that is NOT band related will be deleted, or what, I am confused!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

So at the new boards we're going to have to eat, live, and breathe Skillet in order to post on it? Seems kind of absurd to me. I mean, I love Skillet and all, but the Frying Pan has proved that you can only discuss Skillet and say "OMG! Korey is hott, John is hott, Ben is hott, Lori is hott!" for so long.

But, I will be sticking to the boards. Is there any way I can volunteer to be a moderator at the "new" boards?

i think my life is over. GOSH. this place was so special...

calm down everybody! this community will not be dying, just moving, there will be changes, but because of our love for the band and each other, we have to accept it. this is inevitable, i know cahnge can be scary, but it is happening, so instead of dwelling on the negatives, lets look toward the future.

But . . . you know how difficult it will be to type skillet.com/boards instead of panheads.org/boards! :o

Darn, you are right... should bring that up to Zach.

I guess it's a good thing my browser has a "speed dial" option so all I have to do is click one button to come here.

Dude, the community WILL fall apart. As was mentioned, there's only so much you can do to talk about a band. This place isn't juat a place to talk about Skillet. It's a community. We're all brought together by one common thing: Skillet. Alot of us have grown together as friends, but as you can see that hasn't exactly happened in the Frying Pan. I've found this as a place where we can uplift one another and encourage one another. It's a place to be. Say you're hispanic and live in a 100% rasict community, and this is the only place you have? What if you live in the middle of nowhere and you have VERY few friends other than here? I know that I wouldn't be the person I am today if it weren't for these boards. This place has saved my life, and those of many others. With nothing but band-related discussion the community will die, and we'll all go our own separate ways. Some of us will never talk to one another again because they only place some people talk is over PM or threads here.

Dude, the community WILL fall apart. As was mentioned, there's only so much you can do to talk about a band. This place isn't juat a place to talk about Skillet. It's a community. We're all brought together by one common thing: Skillet. Alot of us have grown together as friends, but as you can see that hasn't exactly happened in the Frying Pan. I've found this as a place where we can uplift one another and encourage one another. It's a place to be. Say you're hispanic and live in a 100% rasict community, and this is the only place you have? What if you live in the middle of nowhere and you have VERY few friends other than here? I know that I wouldn't be the person I am today if it weren't for these boards. This place has saved my life, and those of many others. With nothing but band-related discussion the community will die, and we'll all go our own separate ways. Some of us will never talk to one another again because they only place some people talk is over PM or threads here.

I'm not trying to suggest that there won't be significant changes, obviously that is not the case. The boards will be shifting focus to be more "street-team" centric which will mean a lot of the current general discussion will have to find a new home. Anyone is more than welcome to setup another site to house that type of discussion, it's just that Skillet doesn't have the resources or expertise to host and manage it themselves.

(If you're unhappy with the site or the decisions being made, I'd be happy to give you your money back.) ::]

Sooo...the ph.org domain will be gone entirely? :(

There are no other good Skillet fan sites...

Will, in all honesty. You're a jerk.

I'm sorry to say that I will not miss you. I've enjoyed panheads.org over the years and the only problem I have ever had with it is you.

With that being said, we'll just have to see what happens on the next board.

why dont we calm down, and see what happens with the next site... just wait it out, let Zach know what you think.

Will did a great service doing all this volunteer work.

I can assure you I'm 100% calm. Emotions are hardly conveyed in words on the internet. I was merely stating my opinion.

i better not see any of you leaving during the change.

Tough. Being restricted to just frying pan I no longer have a reason to be here.

Street team is confined to America.
Radio requests are confinedto America.
Shows and concerts are confined to America.

*shrug*

I'll be retreating into the cold dank dark hole that is my Myspace :)

Come visit sometime.

like i said, bring it up to Zach, he is in charge now.

How would one contact Zach?

Q MGR on the boards, im sure he will be on soon.

Tough. Being restricted to just frying pan I no longer have a reason to be here.

Street team is confined to America.
Radio requests are confinedto America.
Shows and concerts are confined to America.


i do not listen to the radio much. and i certainly dont listen for Skillet to somehow play at my local station at this point. but i request them here, all over the US to help them succeed. so that can be true no matter where you live in the world. just dont let them know that you arent from their area. :)

I think we have to see how the changes manifest themselves on the new board before we can easily tell if it's better, worse, or just different.

Would it be a bad time (to early maybe?) to ask if we still wanted to continue with the Panhead Awards. Or was last time the last time?

I am VERY sad that panheads is closing! This is like the ONLY place I can be myself, and know that I am not being judged, and I can talk about only Skillet with other fans, because my friend here don't like them that much, so I hae nobody to talk to about them......I agree with DarkestRose, we should see how it goes, and decide from there if we like it!!!!!

I am VERY sad that panheads is closing! This is like the ONLY place I can be myself, and know that I am not being judged, and I can talk about only Skillet with other fans, because my friend here don't like them that much, so I hae nobody to talk to about them......I agree with DarkestRose, we should see how it goes, and decide from there if we like it!!!!!

not CLOSING, MOVING.

not CLOSING, MOVING.

no, it's certainly fair to say that panheads.org is closing. The boards are moving (in part), but the site itself is closing.

Well that sucks. I WAS signed up for the street team but I'm not getting emails and when I go to re apply it says that I'm already signed up. Now what do I do?

I'm willing to stick it out and make the best of it. One question:Can I still camera whore a picture thread?;)

no, it's certainly fair to say that panheads.org is closing. The boards are moving (in part), but the site itself is closing.

touche...

So are the General and Christianity boards going simply because we don't have somebody to manage them?

Wow, this is a shocker. But I understand it's a big responsibility for you, Will. All I just want to say is thank you for starting and keeping up with this site for so many years. It's really helped people not only get to know the band better and make friends, but hae a place to find peace and strength in the Lord.

This site really did make my love for Skillet grow. <3

I have to say posting on here feels a little silly since many of our posts are gonna go away in about two weeks. But we'll just have to make that last.

Being restricted to just frying pan I no longer have a reason to be here.

This is somewhat the response I was going to give. Although I'd like to help Skillet, I just can't do it right now in a "street team" position or any of that - what with two jobs, TEFL courses, and then possibly heading overseas all on my plate. I'll still inform people about the band, but other than that, I really can't devote my time to simply re-discussing the same stuff about the band.

So this is it, I guess. It's been fun, most of the time. If you wanna still keep in contact, my live-journal address is in my profile. I also have a facebook; if you want to e-mail me (or PM me), I'll give you the link.

Adieu.

not CLOSING, MOVING.
Well...same diffrence!!!!! Closing, moving, there one in the same!!!!!!!

Well if a store moves, it's not closed. Just in a different place.

True.....I see your point, BUT it does have to close, so it can move!!!

Only two-thirds of it is closing though. So it's like that hypothetical store moving and leaving a few sections behind.

I just joined a couple of months ago, and so far, i've loved it! why change??? I bet you could find soomeone who would happily take over for you guys! this way, nothing would change and the thousand of panheads that are on this site wouldn't have to go through the change! personally, this is my favortie site to go to for help, talk about the band, or just about any problem that i have! it's a great Skillet-fan community joined together by Christ. This is very, very upsetting to see this change.
If you did not know, many of us used this website to talk about personal troubles in a good Chrsitian enviroment,not just talk about the band.

Thanks for the oppurtunity Will,

Pashin Froot

this thread explains things.
http://www.panheads.org/boards/showthread.php?t=6243

Well if a store moves, it's not closed. Just in a different place.

No, it's more like the small orphanage you've grown up at closing and moving down the street to become a Ronald McDonald house. :P

No, it's more like the small orphanage you've grown up at closing and moving down the street to become a Ronald McDonald house. :Pthat's enough. please stay on topic.

that's enough. please stay on topic.

Not to be stupid, but Or else ... what? You gonna kick us out? Close down the site?

*shrug*

I don't question your decision, nor your motives. But when you close up shop, the looters come. And with your abdication of responsibility comes the abdication of power.

I don't want to be openly disrespectful, but it's hard for the masses to take you seriously when you've already declared that your gun isn't loaded, then you look mean and use your big voice.

*awkward silence*

a little gratitude people... this place wouldnt have been here in the first place if it wasnt for Will.

true.

^True dat. And it would be great if people would be polite to Will for at least the sake of niceness if nothing else. I know it's a big change and a little stressful for some people, but there is no need to start taking frustration out on each other.

GO JENNIFER!!!! lol

I'm not saying I'm not gracious, I'm just unappreciative of the "this is the way we're changing things so shut up" way Will has stated things.

I realize that and I know that for a lot of people it would be better if they felt that Will was sympathetic to the upset they feel about the changes. Nevertheless, I do think that it would be best to be tolerant toward Will. I'm sure he's not exactly thrilled with the complaints he's getting about the changes and he probably has a lot to deal with preceding and leading up to the move.

Tolerant of what? The boards are disappearing regardless. I think it would've been courteous to run the changes by the users of the boards. I prefer democracy over dictatorship.

wow... I just joined yesterday and there seems to be a lot of issues. I understand why people are upset. I love skillet and I respect what they do and all that they stand for. I can see why this change sucks, but sometimes change happens whether we like it or not. we can talk about skillet issues, and tie in personal issues when it comes to their music. I am sure all of us can relate to their music with things that have happened in our own lives.
i'm excited to be a part of panheads.org and hope all of this gets smoothed out!!

We were told from the Panhead's losing interest announcement. I know that we didn't discuss closing the boards down to this degree and nobody was informed until two weeks beforehand, which is stressful. My point is simply that it would be nice if people wouldn't be backtalking to Will, since it won't keep the boards around here any longer.

Submission has never been one of my traits. ;)

gah what to say... well thanks for a great place and nice people LOVE YALL!!
Leslie

I appreciate all Will has done to keep this site going. But I was wondering, Will: Before everything shuts down, is there a way you could post some 2001-2003 concert pictures somewhere? I know over the years you've gotten some great shots & I'd love to see those again if for nothing else than nostalgia. :) I know you've got alot going on, I was just wondering if there's some web space where those could be posted for a little while? Sorry if this is off-topic. ???

well, i cant say that i dont have hard feeling about this...

i dont have anything against you personally Will, but i just fail to see how the other 2/3 of the boards that are being closed couldnt be left up? i doubt that it would be that hard, but thats not my place to decide.

all in all, thanks for the fun times and great people ive met during the countless hours ive been on here! :D youve done well. you should be proud of yourself.

im most likely going to leave once the change happens, because ive never really posted in them. i guess that ill just have to find another board... :'(

lets see how the new ones turn out first.

remember Will handed it over to the band, so Will doesnt have a say of how the new ones turn out...

....and the band couldn't keep the others in? its not like they even really care in the first place...:(

my point exactly...

all im saying is that Will is not to blame

i know that, im more of ranting in general.

Why is everyone deciding to dismember from the new board before it is even up? I understand losing the other 2/3 sucks. But we could at least be positive and see how it all turns out. I mean, we should have increased band contact, which was something people wanted.

Secondly, how are we going to inform Panheads who have been away for awhile (Dawn of Light, for instance) about Panheads closing down and moving to Skillet's site? Will we have some way to forward them? Or will they simply come and have no more board?

I'm sure the page will contain a message saying "we moved to blah blah blah" or something like that.

hey i'm all for starting up a general discussion board in lieu of that section of panheads if things don't work out when it's transferred. i've run a message board before but it wasn't anything too big. it won't quite be the same obviously, but it will at least be a place where we can still have our community and such. there are some really great discussions and things on these boards and i don't want to see them go.

:\ It just wouldn't have the same vibe.

Wow........this is all so sad. :(

That has, more or less, been the general reaction...

:\ It just wouldn't have the same vibe.

I suppose that is, for the most part, up to us.

And regarding my earlier post, I made a point of stating that it was not my intent to be disrespectful. I'm just fully aware, as a father and a supervisor, that, regardless of past respect, authority of any kind only exists when a threat (however latent) exists with it. And with the abdication of the responsibility comes the abdication of the authority.

*hands Timmy some Vaseline* Lips are looking a bit chapped there, buddy.

so that can be true no matter where you live in the world. just dont let them know that you arent from their area.

Lie for the band then? Thanks, but no.
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To everyone:

Ownership of PH has changed to the Skillet Management. Will is no longer responsible for what happens to the boards. It is not up to him to decide what sections stay and what go. The Management have decided to do away with everything but the Skillet related sub-forums. I personally think it's a stupid idea. This community was built upon discussion and social interaction, with an emphasis on prayer too, that's what MADE it a community! I believe dropping those and limiting discussion to Skillet is a big mistake, but it isn't my choice.

Do any of you remember the Development group? Way back then, Will said he was stepping down and needed someone to take his place. That was quite a while ago and nothing developed from that. Noone on these boards had the skills necessary to run Panheads.

A simple "oh I did a class in HTML" or "I ran a forum once" isn't enough. A thrown together webpage or a standard invision forum isn't enough experience. The back end of PH is huge and complex. A really good knowledge of PHP and web programming protocols would be a necessity.

If I knew anything more than the basics about that stuff I would volunteer to run PH! But unfortunately I don't...

Furthermore - server fees. Who's going to pay them?
Bandwidth is not cheap. Storage is not cheap. PH needs to be online 24/7 with little downtime, with all the traffic on the boards too amounts to big fees.

So consider what the Skillet Management needs to run PH.

A reliable web server connected 24/7
Pay for bandwidth and stoage costs
Hire someone capable and knowledgeable enough to run the backend of the boards

They deemed it not worth it.

but other bands have message boards that have non-band-related discussions......maybe this the way the "management team" is trying to say "Well, no one posted in the Frying Pan, so thats gonna be there only option now!!!! *evil grin*"


btw, nice sig bob!

Actually there were people with sufficient knowledge, but...

I think if we all message Zach and express our opinion we might make a difference. Everyone send a PM to Q MGR (http://www.panheads.org/boards/member.php?u=1272) so we can prevent this community from being destroyed. Because not to be sappy or anything, but I really enjoy talking to all you guys and I don't want to lose anyone.

I think if we all message Zach and express our opinion we might make a difference. Everyone send a PM to Q MGR (http://www.panheads.org/boards/member.php?u=1272) so we can prevent this community from being destroyed. Because not to be sappy or anything, but I really enjoy talking to all you guys and I don't want to lose anyone.

This thread was not posted to solicit feedback... that happened two months ago. This thread is a courtesy notification of what is going to happen so that it doesn't just "appear" (or disappear, rather) one day. This wasn't a rash decision... we've been working through the options for weeks and this is what was decided.

Tromos, I certainly understand your point, and that is part of the reason we didn't announce this any sooner than we did... because I half expected some of this.

A final thought... I started panheads.org because I liked the band and I wanted to learn how to build a website. I didn't ask permission, I didn't spend a lot of money up front, and I didn't have anyone helping me on day one... I just did it. I would challenge all of you who feel so strongly about this to step up and actually do something... setup a new community that can fill the gap you feel is being left. Yes, panheads.org is going away for now... that is not changing. The boards on skillet.com will be more of a street-team style area for fans that want to help promote Skillet to get the resources they need to do so. But there is no reason why another "by the fans, for the fans" style of community cannot step in to take the place of PH... in fact, I think that would be a really good thing. If half the energy and passion that has been expressed in the last couple of days was redirected into a new project, you'd having something up and running by week's end.

not eveyone wants a street team style message boards....

I've expressed interest in running a professional looking message board before but I have no knowledge of how to do so and the last time I looked Will, you were the only one here who knows how to do so. If you have any site that gives pointers I'd be more than willing to learn.

I've expressed interest in running a professional looking message board before but I have no knowledge of how to do so and the last time I looked Will, you were the only one here who knows how to do so. If you have any site that gives pointers I'd be more than willing to learn.
Panheads.org didn't have message boards until a year or so into it... before that it was just content built with PHP (http://www.php.net) and a MySQL (http://www.mysql.com) database on the backend. If you're running on windows, you get quickly get an Apache webserver with PHP and MySQL by installing WAMP (http://www.wampserver.com/en/) or one of the many packages like it. Personally, I did it on Linux, but it doesn't matter all that much. We're looking to be using SMF (http://simplemachines.org/) to power the boards on skillet.com. Way back in the day PH.org and the Alien Youth boards used to run on a product called YaBB SE, and that eventually became SMF, so it's a pretty solid product. Beside that, buy a book or two or use google.... everything you'd need to know is there.

I'm going to wait until July 15th until I make any further decisions.

I'm strongly considering buying a domain and webspace. Who would be willing to come?

Secondly, how are we going to inform Panheads who have been away for awhile (Dawn of Light, for instance)
Thanks for noticing. :)

I haven't had much of a presence on here lately because I've had to focus on other things in my life. But I'll definitely miss this place! Thanks to all the mods for all their hard work as well.

It's also kind of unfortunate that it has to close down on my birthday :(

I'll try to stop by one more time before July 15 and maybe I'll see some of you on skillet.com.

Take care.

so much for a birthday present, lol?

not eveyone wants a street team style message boards....

yeah, but this is about the band. and perhaps you are misinterpreting Will's post.

http://skilletfanz.proboards80.com

I have a question tho...Are those of us that are Moderated still gonna be moderated on the *gag* "New" board?

i kinda doubt it, seeing as they don't even have enough manpower to keep the rest of the board open...still...

btw, nice sig bob!

i gave him the idea... :P

doesnt really matter though lol.

anyway, i know for a fact that i will have nothing to do on a street team boards. skillet has never come here (the land of the thousand cornfields), and i highly doubt they ever will. any Christians that go to my school or otherwise either already listen to skillet, or dont like them. therefor, nothing that much to do...

i gave him the idea... :P

doesnt really matter though lol.

anyway, i know for a fact that i will have nothing to do on a street team boards. skillet has never come here (the land of the thousand cornfields), and i highly doubt they ever will. any Christians that go to my school or otherwise either already listen to skillet, or dont like them. therefor, nothing that much to do...

edit: to avoid hurting anyone's feelings...

there is still radio! the last two Skillet concerts ive been two involved a 5.5 hour drive, and a 3 hour drive... i know in the mid-west you can cross 3 states in that time, there are so many ways to support them, please dont give up.

Yay! Dawn of Light is back! I was missing you for awhile.

yeah im sure they have never come to Indiana... its a small state, they are from around there, they tour in the mid-west all the time.

plus im sure you dont have any radio stations in your area either... ::]



dude, just leave him alone!

Yay! Dawn of Light is back! I was missing you for awhile.

welcome back my favorite Canadian!

We made an alternative board, like Will suggested for those who are inspired. The posts of this site aren't there, but this is what we have so far.
http://panheadboards.proboards62.com

P.S.
If you put the link in your signature, it will get word out easier and quicker. :)

there is also http://skilletfanz.proboards80.com/index.cgi which has been around for a couple of months. has a lost of the same threads, same forums, even a music player. drop in sometime since this place will close down

I have my signature changed for it.

i think we only need one new panheads message boards so people won't be confused...

I have nothing against a meger of some sort
any way a little more on topic
I'm sadend to see this place go to an extent but thanks for the warning
and like I Bite said will we still be moderated on the new forums? if so all I can say is forget it I'm no where near a big enough fan of the band to sit around trying to talk aobut them then having a post show up days later.

why can't someone just take over for will?? i mean it's not that difficult is it??..and then you have the moderators doing their normal job...or someone could just buy it couldnt they and run it themselves with the moderators or whatever.

5 stages of grief... hang in there guys.
1. DENIAL --- What's the first thing you do? You try to start it again! And again. You may check to make sure the radio, heater, lights, etc. are off and then..., try again.
2. ANGER --- "%$@^##& car!", "I should have junked you years ago." Did you slam your hand on the steering wheel? I have. "I should just leave you out in the rain and let you rust."
3. BARGAINING --- (realizing that you're going to be late for work)..., "Oh please car, if you will just start one more time I promise I'll buy you a brand new battery, get a tune up, new tires, belts and hoses, and keep you in perfect working condition.
4. DEPRESSION --- "Oh God, what am I going to do. I'm going to be late for work. I give up. My job is at risk and I don't really care any more. What's the use".
5. ACCEPTANCE --- "Ok. It's dead. Guess I had better call the Auto Club or find another way to work. Time to get on with my day; I'll deal with this later."

more here (http://www.counselingforloss.com/article8.htm)

Jonathan's site is pretty cool. You should check it out. I think it could coexist very nicely with the new Skillet board, making a seamless transition.

Timmy I think I skipped to number #5 first, then went to #4, and then came back at #5.

Jonathan's site is pretty cool. You should check it out. I think it could coexist very nicely with the new Skillet board, making a seamless transition.
or we can wait and see what happens with the new skillet.com one... just a thought.

Well, they can both exist. I still plan to be a part of the new Skillet board regardless.

i went from 1 to 4 to 5.....

Alorian, I would come.

And the constant issue with someplace like proboards is the pop ups and the adverts. You can make your way around them, but they can be annoying. And, of course, you have very little freedom of design with the boards.

Currently, this place runs vBulletin, which is probably one of the most powerful and flexible message board packages out there. It's also not free. I currently know nothing about vBulletin.

At this time, I am running the official message boards for the bands This Beautiful Republic and Radial Angel. Those boards are running the message board software from Simple Machines Forum (SMF). I think it's less powerful than vBulletin, but it does can be highly customized, it works well, it is intuitive, and it's free. I'm also already paying for space.

If you want to see what SMF looks like, you can check out www.TBRBoards.com. That will give you an idea.

I would suggest avoiding IdealBB and xsorbit, both of which I consider to be substandard software packages - at least they are in the instances I've seen.

So, as much as I have jawed at Will, he's right. If we want it so badly, we'll have to make it ourselves. To Timmy's point, I think giving the new forums a chance is the smart thing to do. Who knows what will really be allowed and what won't.

After all, if the band is really serious about their message, it's supposed to be all about Jesus, not all about the band. Right?

After all, if the band is really serious about their message, it's supposed to be all about Jesus, not all about the band. Right?

actually it is about band, considering it is a band fansite.

yea not just about the band...

actually it is about band, considering it is a band fansite.

Street team. :P

perhaps the management is doing this because they feel it will better serve Skillet's fanbase. not just those who are Christians (they have a wider audience now).

but like Will said, no one is stopping other communities on the web from starting up.

actually it is about band, considering it is a band fansite.

And that, sir, is precisely the problem. Because if, in the end, it isn't about Jesus then it's just a waste of time and a diversion from the only thing that matters.

Somewhere we lost sight of that.

perhaps the management is doing this because they feel it will better serve Skillet's fanbase. not just those who are Christians (they have a wider audience now).

but like Will said, no one is stopping other communities on the web from starting up.


so basically, they're trying to be politically correct for non christian fans.....

so basically, they're selling out and trying to be politically correct for non christian fans.....

I think that was a tad bit judgemental.

We're going to have to elaborate on this from someone who actually knows what is going on.

I was under the impression that the reason the Skillet sites were staying up was because of the postive outreach the fans had in voting for Skillet's singles and promoting the band.

HOWEVER, I was also under the impression that the reason we were promoting the music was because, at a larger scale, it was all about the message that the band had about the love, grace, and redemption that could be found in Jesus Christ, even through all the painful trials that we endure through life. I thought this was about reaching out to people Christian and non-Christian bringing them together with the same message of hope resulting from God.

It was my expectation that the site changes would hyper-focus on this aspect.

I can understand not wanting to be a band exclusively for non-Christians or for Christians.

But now I would like further clarification in what Skillet's philosophy is as far as their music is concerned.

so basically, they're selling out and trying to be politically correct for non christian fans.....

what stage of grief did you say you were in again? ::]

do we have to question Skillet's faith and motives again?

I would like to press that I do not think they are selling out. My questions were posed more to affirm that prejudice.

But I've been hearing so many people saying that they perceive this to be all about the band (versus the message that binds the band together), which I have not found true. And it would be great to hearing some backing up of that.

what stage of grief did you say you were in again? ::]


i was just simply putting what tracy said into my own words....

Well, I don't see any problem with including non-Christians fans. But I have always like that here we had the ability to engage those people in religious discussion. I don't think being inclusive directly means "selling out." However, I would like to think that the community would still have the ability to reach out to others in correlation of the message behind Skillet's music.

I just don't think a street team will work without community.

There's only so much effort you can put into pushing a single before you get bored with it.

I'm sure it won't be just pushing singles. We'll still have band discussions and there may be some band input. We could make a different kind of community.

i highly doubt the band input.

They give us Myspace updates, why not have some input? It was something we discussed in the "losing interest" discussion. Skillet cares about their fans, so I don't see why not.

Cares enough to wait three years between albums? :P

Ben was the only one who ever posted on panheads.org

There were a few band chats with the members back in the day. But then Will killed the chatroom. I'm hoping that on the new board we can revive the chatroom and set up more band chats like the good ol' days.

YOU ACTUALLY GOT TO TALK TO THE BAND?????? *faints*

Maybe it they were just taking a break and/or working on writing between albums. It makes sense. It's not like they forgot about us.

Ben and Lori (and sometimes Korey) still send Myspace updates. And John used to send those email letters. So they've always worked at keeping us informed. I'm sure that we'll have more opportunities to be connected with the band with new site, maybe even have chats again.

Ben used to pop into the chatroom at random too. That was cool. But I don't think he's popped in in at least 2 years. Ah, memories of what once was.

i just started looking at all the old posts on these boards.....its just sad to know that they are gonna be wiped clean.

Maybe they'll be stored on archive.org

The old alien youth message board is stored there.

But yes, it does make all my posts seem in vain.

bob you'll have the second highest post count on these boards.....next to the "almighty Disciple" lol

I would've passed Disciple if the Pointless Posts thread wouldn't have been trashed. But to me, it was never about the post count, I just wanted to be an active member of the community and since I was an active member from the beginning I have a high post count. I mean, four years is a long time.

thats alot of time sitting in front of a computer lol

You know whats going to end up happening?

everyone is gonna start making their own panhead forums, and thats cool and all, i'm totally for that, but unless Everybody(ok, majority) picks one forum, everyone is gonna be all spaced out and it just won't work.

Pretty much, what i'm trying to say is that we should all kinda agree on one forum to go to.

I know Jonathon made one, Matt (pizza brain) made one a long time ago, and i don't know who else is going to make one, or if we should just start totally over and make a new one, but we should kinda agree on which one the majority of us will use, at least that's my opinion.

Otherwise, there will be like groups of 10 all over the place, and i don't think anybody wants that..

right?

true

Yeah....I agree, because some people (like me) would get confused......

Back in the day there was an alienyouth.com messsageboard and a panheads.org message board and I think they both coexisted quite nicely. I'd like to think of it as mulitplying rather than diving. Mitosis if you know what I mean.

which one did u visit the most?

Back in the day there was an alienyouth.com messsageboard and a panheads.org message board and I think they both coexisted quite nicely. I'd like to think of it as mulitplying rather than diving. Mitosis if you know what I mean.

Lol!

this from the person who told me he was already at too many forum when i asked you to join http://skilletfanz.proboards80.com

So if we have 3-5 forums for panheads, I don't know about the rest of you, but i don't have enough computer time to check all of them...
i don't know the answer...these are just my thoughts.

which one did u visit the most?

alientyouth.com

Then I was forced to come here. :P

I was unhappy about it at the time but it grew on me. Which is why I'm remaining optimistic about the move.

edit: to avoid hurting anyone's feelings...

there is still radio! the last two Skillet concerts ive been two involved a 5.5 hour drive, and a 3 hour drive... i know in the mid-west you can cross 3 states in that time, there are so many ways to support them, please dont give up.

First of all, i cant drive lol. and i wont be able to for two more years. Neither of my parents are will to drive me to who knows where just for a concert. And when i say "here" i mean "here" as in where i live. not five hours away. thats not "here". thats "there". There are two radio stations in this area that would play skillet. one already does, and that one wont come in anywhere than the middle of the city (aka, about thirty min away from where i live). The other one is se.x obsessed. Not something that would play anything like that. (Around here, we have one rock station, one classic rock station, and one christian station that doesnt come in anywhere except the middle of the city and already plays skillet. Sure, i could request it for some other radio station, but i dont listen to it, plus i listen to radio (non-internet radio) probally twice a month, if that.)

[/RANT]

again i will say, before we pass judgment, lets wait and see the new boards...

Will may not wipe the boards clean, he may archive them.

I agree with Timmy. Wait and see the new boards. Meanwhile, everyone should visit Jonathan's site. A link is on my signature.

Wow…I don’t even know where to begin with this. I cant believe that ph.org’s time is coming to an end but like all things in life its time has come. You know it goes against conventional wisdom that you can not care for people that you have never met but I know that was not the case here at this site. People cared for each other…they prayed for each other and that is something hard to find in this world.

I could not even begin to name everybody who I had the pleasure of knowing because of this site because I know I would forget somebody but I will say that many of you made a difference in this old man life and for that I say thank you.

I am proud to be a part of this ministry for the last 5 years and I wish nothing but the best for each and every one of you.

Love

John

I say we all go here: http://panheadboards.proboards62.com

At least for now. I'm making enough to pay for a site, but I need to get bills in order and such first, so wouldn't be able to do anything for a few weeks. If we all go to http://panheadboards.proboards62.com for now, once this place is killed, massacred, destroyed, obliterated, etc, then we can discuss future plans and go from there.

Sound like a plan? We may preserve this community yet :)

Also, Will, I was wondering if you could possibly save these boards temporarily so that they can be transferred onto another once we get things going.

I've a question...are the people who are moderated right now still gonna be moderated at the other site?

Wow…I don’t even know where to begin with this. I cant believe that ph.org’s time is coming to an end but like all things in life its time has come. You know it goes against conventional wisdom that you can not care for people that you have never met but I know that was not the case here at this site. People cared for each other…they prayed for each other and that is something hard to find in this world.

I could not even begin to name everybody who I had the pleasure of knowing because of this site because I know I would forget somebody but I will say that many of you made a difference in this old man life and for that I say thank you.

I am proud to be a part of this ministry for the last 5 years and I wish nothing but the best for each and every one of you.

Love

John

Dude, you HAVE to do the eulogy at my funeral. That was beautiful. :)

So....if you are already a member of this site will you have to go and re-sign up again on the new one?

No, you will have your account moved to the new site.

will we have to fill in our info and add avatars and stuff like that?

I don't think so. I think it will be like the Skillet board info, a nice and easy transfer.

sweetness

What do you all think of my idea on the last page?

I like the idea of using that site since I'm on it. I think it would be less confusing if we all stuck to one board.

I would be quite upset if someone took my nickname, so I'm glad our accounts are being transferred. :)

Dude, you HAVE to do the eulogy at my funeral. That was beautiful. :)


Thanks...but first I would have to outlive you and that ain't happening. :P

You should pre-write something and then one of us can read it.

Thanks...but first I would have to outlive you and that ain't happening. :P

*gives Bob a wicked smile*

It could be arranged... :evil:

*gives Bob a wicked smile*

It could be arranged... :evil:

:o

*begins writing an auto-eulogy*

*writes a eulogy for panheads.org while he's at it*

Panheads.org: friend, message board, beloved grounds. But to me it was so much more, it was a community. Woe to those who didn't experience these hallowed grounds while they existed. Through the years I met so may there. Through the years I lost so many. When I signed up as a naive 14 year old back in September 2003 I was a total freak and a panhead. Now, nearly four years later, I'm on the brink of 18 years old and I'm still a freak and a panhead. But I must say, this place has helped me mature (a little). Yes, I wasn't always the greatest member, I put my share of gray hairs on the mods, but I consistently posted here over the years. Panheads.org, you will be sorely missed by me. Good bye, I love you.

Guys, it won't be gone for another 11 days. That's a week and a half...

We can still utilize this place --for example, the Garden -- before it is shut down.

I can't help but interpet this as "Hey, I'm not going to steal your bike for another 11 days kid. So ride it around while you can!"

I guess I should tell you guys to stay on topic too. Although I kind of forget what the topic is supposed to be at this point anyway.

I think the point was to open discussino for questions about the move.

But we do have eleven days, so we could use the forum for something worthwhile. I've noticed that posting has been kinda slow lately.

I think the point was to open discussino for questions about the move.


Actually, let's look at Will's first post.

As I announced (http://www.panheads.org/boards/showthread.php?t=6243) a couple of months ago, Jade and I have decided to step down from the site and turn everything over to the band. While things have seemed quiet on that front since then, we've actually been very busy working out the logistics with the band's management, and have come to the best resolution we could given the resources available.

Panheads.org will be going offline July 15 (give or take a day). The message boards will be moved over to skillet.com, but the content will be scaled back to include only the Skillet related areas of the boards. The old boards (what you're reading now) and the rest of the site will be taken offline, so if there is anything important you want to keep, now is the time to get it. While we are still working out some of the details, the new boards will have a new team of moderators and hopefully increased involvement from the band and their management. If all goes as planned, it should be a fairly seamless transition... things will look and feel a bit different, but you won't need to register again or anything.

I can't possibly say how big a part of my life this place has been for the last six years. Dozens of volunteers have spent countless hours over the years to make this place what it is (moderating the boards & chatroom, leading discussions and Bible studies, assisting with artwork, providing photos, etc), and for that I am truly grateful. It is definitely a bittersweet moment to see it go, but I'm happy that we were able to work it out for things to continue over on skillet.com. As I said in my original post, this is certainly not good-bye for good... we will just be supporting the band in other ways going forward.

-will

No where in there is a question. Which is where my aggrevation originally came from. It basically says "this is how things are going and if you don't like it, tough". Which, I know is the reality of things, but it's not the ideal situation I'd like. So I guess the main point would be, there is not topic. Since there was no question and Will didn't ask for discussion. So when Will said to me:

that's enough. please stay on topic.

I admit, I was quite confused. I've been thinking this over the past few days. So I guess the new question is, What is the topic of this forum? I really need to know that way I can stay on topic.

Another thing, Zach hasn't logged onto the panheads forums since 06-26-07. Is he avoiding my message? :P

I know he stated this as a "this won't change" situation, but I think the point was to tell us what was going on as a courtesy. It also does open up the forum to ask questions about what he's said, even if we cannot debate him into keeping the board like it is.

It also does open up the forum to ask questions about what he's said, even if we cannot debate him into keeping the board like it is.

Heh.

Better than the board just disappearing, in my opinion.

I think I would've preferred if the board went down like the Titanic.

I suppose to each his own on reactions to the boards closing.

A downing like the Titanic would have felt more heroic, romantic. It would have been a more dignified death than to have it stripped apart, skinned, mutilated, and many parts amputated, then thrown back out into society to live a miserable life.

We need to find a way to make these last few days fun because people aren't doing anything and it's bumming me out.

I'm certainly posting still. Even though I'll be gone for the next few days on vacation. :)

Awe, vacation to where?

I think I would've preferred if the board went down like the Titanic.

I would like to get people's contact info first.

I've a question...are the people who are moderated right now still gonna be moderated at the other site?

No. What you did here has no bearing on this other site.

Wow, when Alienyouth and Panheads merged, I was just starting college and here I am now, 4 years and still nowhere near a degree (I’m going for the 7-year 4-year degree). I remember how iffy things were when they merged, but things eventually got smoothed out and were back to normal. I hope the same will happen with this transfer and things will be smoothed out shortly.

I would hope that there will be more to the new boards then just Skillet related stuff. I love Skillet and all, but it is not the reason I became involved with Panheads or AlienYouth. Skillet is what brought (most of) us together, but General Discussion and Mars Hill is what made it a community (for me at least). I would like to see these things continue, even if the old discussions were erased and we started fresh. It gave us an opportunity to grow as a community instead of being strictly a fan club.

This is just my opinion and a humble suggestion. What ever Skillet, the band management, and Admin team decides for their message board is up to them.

It’s been good getting to know you all, and I hope that it may continue even with these upcoming changes.

(and what a way to go! 666 posts! :evil: )

I feel pretty much the same as agent here... I've practically grown up here (although the "growing up" part is nowhere near finished) and on the AYMB. I think I started going there when I was eleven or twelve, then merged to this board when I was fourteen. Now I'm seventeen, going on eighteen, and graduating high school next year. It's been great coming here, and has even helped me get through several adolescent tough spots. While I will miss anyone who doesn't merge, I still feel blessed to have been a part of these boards (as silly and cheesy as that sounds, it's true) and "meet" some people I never would have known otherwise. Even if they did have to drag me kicking and screaming from the AYMB boards... But shh, let's not talk about that. I'm much more amenable this time.
So all in all, it's been a good four years. I regret that it's over, but how can you have new beginnings without endings first?

I just joined and now we're moving. I'm depressed now. I'm interested to see what the "new" deal is all about. I'm guessing it's not going to be as cool as PH is.

no, i doubt that it will be. >:(

enjoy the remaining days that we got....

It could be cool, just in a different way. I don't think we need to judge the new boards by "less cool" or "more cool" until they are there.

True is sounds less cool because we'll be losing the General and Christianity boards, which were the backbone of our community. But maybe we can form a community on the "new" boards that is equally as strong.

maybe we could still have some of the non skillet threads anyway, if the mods are gracious....

Is it the mods who are deciding this? I was thinking that it was Will and the band's management now. I could be wrong.

But my feeling is that we're deciding the new Skillet boards will suck before we even have them. If that is the case, then we probably won't like them just because we've set ourselves up to be that way.

i'm talking about the new mods for the new boards....

Oh, I'm sorry. I misunderstood. I actually don't know what the new mods are doing as far as thread creation because the threads being taken down are supposedly being taken down because Panheads is a huge site and it will be too hard to maintain. So I don't know if that will be an option for the new mods.

any of the general discussion type threads that you want to continue on will need to be done so on a new community-based forum, such as one of the two previously mentioned in this thread.

so all the posts by us....and some of the people who have like 3000 posts..that all gets erased??

i guess so....

that sucks lol.

ah post counts... i believe in quality not quantity for posts. i dont care if someone has 100,000 posts if they are all pointless.

the new boards are gonna be way cool, dont take my word for it, wait and see for yourself.

the new boards are gonna be way cool, dont take my word for it, wait and see for yourself.

No matter how much it's buttered up, I fail to see how restricting conversation to entirely Skillet can be any kind of cool.

Yeah...but 11 days isnt alot.....thats like what Bob said, but this way "Hey you only have 11 days left to make something worthwhile, good luck, and go get 'em tiger" COULD HAPPEN, but not likley!

No matter how much it's buttered up, I fail to see how restricting conversation to entirely Skillet can be any kind of cool.



exactly

No matter how much it's buttered up, I fail to see how restricting conversation to entirely Skillet can be any kind of cool.

i totally agree with that..

No matter how much it's buttered up, I fail to see how restricting conversation to entirely Skillet can be any kind of cool.

LOL. Not even Diet Cool or the new Cool Zero: That which lacks any of the healthy benefits of Cool (limited time only!) :D

All-- let me start by saying, "Happy belated 4th!" We all have a lot to be thankful for when we look around us and see all that is happening in the world!

I've been traveling (actually out of town now) but just got a chance to read this entire thread. Yes, I read all 13 pages!! ;)

As most of you know I manage the band. I have now since 2001and during that time I've got to meet many of you including Will.

I want to start off by saying a personal thank you to you Will! I've not met a more selfless panhead!! All of this happened because of your passion for the band and the God given talents he's given you. Thanks for serving all of us including the band for so long.

I know there has been a lot written about the decision to transfer panheads.org to skillet.com. Please understand that panheads.org has never been under the control of the band and therefore Will's decision to open a new chapter in his life is more than understandable. As a band and management we weighed heavily what the best decision would be when Will came to us with his decision. As you are aware, Will put out an email a couple of months back wondering if panheads were losing interest in panheads.org as it related to the band. It seemed that the passion for the site had diminished as the response to the launch of Skillet's new project and the endeavors that correlated with it went with little response. At that point we felt that if Will was moving on that we did not have the capacity to take over the site and that for the most part Skillet fans had moved on as well. The decision was made to not step in and try to take on any of panheads.org as much as we hated to see such a huge part of the band's history with panheads.org come to a close.

Please understand that it isn't that we did not consider how we could keep it going but that we just don't have the expertise, man power, or finances to do so.

Panheads has always been about the band, but run by fans, maintained by fans, and not controlled by the band or management. Therefore transfering it to a site that would be controlled by the band did not seem like something anyone would want. Also hearing from me or anyone in management did not seem like it would be something any of you would want until recently. It was after that first interaction that many people were glad to have a voice coming from the band even though we send out blogs, emails, etc. all the time. It was during this interaction that many of you started helping me attempt to make a difference in reaching out to radio on Skillet's behalf. There seemed to be a renewed spirit of purpose and desire to push forward the message and music of the band on the boards.

At that point I went back to Will and said let's find a way to keep the boards that pertain to the band (In the Frying Pan) and we'd figure out a way to make it work. My hope was that we'd be able to move that part of panheads.org over to Skillet.com and instead of shutting it down completely still keep this intact as people seemed to want it around.

My hope is that all of you who frequent panheads.org will continue to do so even though we are only able to keep a portion of it and it will now reside on Skillet.com. We need you!!! There is so much happening right now in the band's career and ministry. I understand that the boards became a community and about "doing life" together beyond things that pertain to the band. My hope is that many of you will come together and continue this part of the site by creating another one!! As management and band we'd LOVE to see this happen. If it does I'm sure we can find ways to continue to keep the continuity between the skillet boards and the new "life" boards. We don't want to be disconnected from you so please let us know!!

For those of you who don't end up making it over to the boards on the band's site I personally want to thank you for all your support for the band through the years!!

My very best--

Zach

All-- let me start by saying, "Happy belated 4th!" We all have a lot to be thankful for when we look around us and see all that is happening in the world!

I've been traveling (actually out of town now) but just got a chance to read this entire thread. Yes, I read all 13 pages!! ;)

As most of you know I manage the band. I have now since 2001and during that time I've got to meet many of you including Will.

I want to start off by saying a personal thank you to you Will! I've not met a more selfless panhead!! All of this happened because of your passion for the band and the God given talents he's given you. Thanks for serving all of us including the band for so long.

I know there has been a lot written about the decision to transfer panheads.org to skillet.com. Please understand that panheads.org has never been under the control of the band and therefore Will's decision to open a new chapter in his life is more than understandable. As a band and management we weighed heavily what the best decision would be when Will came to us with his decision. As you are aware, Will put out an email a couple of months back wondering if panheads were losing interest in panheads.org as it related to the band. It seemed that the passion for the site had diminished as the response to the launch of Skillet's new project and the endeavors that correlated with it went with little response. At that point we felt that if Will was moving on that we did not have the capacity to take over the site and that for the most part Skillet fans had moved on as well. The decision was made to not step in and try to take on any of panheads.org as much as we hated to see such a huge part of the band's history with panheads.org come to a close.

Please understand that it isn't that we did not consider how we could keep it going but that we just don't have the expertise, man power, or finances to do so.

Panheads has always been about the band, but run by fans, maintained by fans, and not controlled by the band or management. Therefore transfering it to a site that would be controlled by the band did not seem like something anyone would want. Also hearing from me or anyone in management did not seem like it would be something any of you would want until recently. It was after that first interaction that many people were glad to have a voice coming from the band even though we send out blogs, emails, etc. all the time. It was during this interaction that many of you started helping me attempt to make a difference in reaching out to radio on Skillet's behalf. There seemed to be a renewed spirit of purpose and desire to push forward the message and music of the band on the boards.

At that point I went back to Will and said let's find a way to keep the boards that pertain to the band (In the Frying Pan) and we'd figure out a way to make it work. My hope was that we'd be able to move that part of panheads.org over to Skillet.com and instead of shutting it down completely still keep this intact as people seemed to want it around.

My hope is that all of you who frequent panheads.org will continue to do so even though we are only able to keep a portion of it and it will now reside on Skillet.com. We need you!!! There is so much happening right now in the band's career and ministry. I understand that the boards became a community and about "doing life" together beyond things that pertain to the band. My hope is that many of you will come together and continue this part of the site by creating another one!! As management and band we'd LOVE to see this happen. If it does I'm sure we can find ways to continue to keep the continuity between the skillet boards and the new "life" boards. We don't want to be disconnected from you so please let us know!!

For those of you who don't end up making it over to the boards on the band's site I personally want to thank you for all your support for the band through the years!!

My very best--

Zach

great post, i am excited for the new boards. :)

you guys can find me here http://panheadboards.proboards62.com/index.cgi

I'll be at the new site, to support that band and their ministry if nothing else.

I like how Zach called the General and Christianity boards "life" boards. That's so less cumbersome. I should have thought of that.

Thank you Zach. I appreciate that you came here to give us your point of view. I am sure that many of us will move to whatever fan support is offered at skillet.com. Others will find a way to try to keeps other parts going someplace else. Regardless, I'm glad to see that you recognize just how loyal and loving Skillet's fanbase is.

And Timmy, here...

*tosses entire tube of Chapstick*

All yours, man. You've got to be in agony by now.

I don't get the Chapstick thing. Should I?

On an off-topic note, I have Care Bear chapstick. It's cherry for Cheer Bear.

i understood the chapstick thing. lol

and also off-topic. i have way too much chapstick at home,lol. i like the chapsticks from avon i got.
and i love care-bears, i need some care-bears chapstick.

thank you for taking the time to share some words Zach.

What does it mean? [The chapstick thing]

Neither do I. I guess I'm too old. ???

What does it mean? [The chapstick thing]

well, usually when someone says that, it means the other person was doing some butt- kissing, so they would need chapstick afterwards lol.

Oh. That's not very nice. I think people should be nice to Timmy.

I can see why I wouldn't get that. I never get stuff like that.

Thank you Zach. I appreciate that you came here to give us your point of view. I am sure that many of us will move to whatever fan support is offered at skillet.com. Others will find a way to try to keeps other parts going someplace else. Regardless, I'm glad to see that you recognize just how loyal and loving Skillet's fanbase is.

And Timmy, here...

*tosses entire tube of Chapstick*

All yours, man. You've got to be in agony by now.
you have your laugh... *grumble*

I think we need to be affirming of other Panheads instead of making jokes at their expense. It isn't something that encourages or uplifts anyone. The comment was neither loving nor necessary.

:(

I feel like a child who just got their favorite teddy bear stolen, ripped to pieces in front of my eyes, and then burned.

I'll get over it though.

Onward to skillet.com!

oh jennifer i can take it... in fact i laughed when i read it.

It's still an issue of principles for me. I don't like people picking on each other.

Timmy is like a horse.

Wild.

Tough skinned.

And snorts in the sun while prancing.

Maybe I just imagine everyone as thin-skinned then?

Maybe I just imagine everyone as thin-skinned then?
Well, people have feelings. You don't know necessarily who is thick or "thin"-skinned, per se. Therefore, the principle to which you appeal (at least how I understand it) is definitely the safest, and I might even say wisest. That and Ephesians 5:4.

Seriously guys. What exactly is it everyone is upset about? The demise of the NAME Panheads.org or the loss of all the general threads? Don't get me wrong, I'm disappointed to see it go as well. But I think if we're all upset about losing the threads and conversation and such.. that we should all try out panheadboards.proboards62.com
The transition there could be quite seamless and there are already a lot of familiar faces and threads.

And snorts in the sun while prancing.


LOL. That was funny.

And I'm glad you have a sense of humor about it Timmy. I guess I'm just a little suspicious. Even Will has admitted some of the negatives to all of this, but you've been so blindly positive about it all it almost seems like you're getting paid or something. I suppose a positive influence is a good thing, but I wonder if you're taking it to extremes.

*hands Bob a broom and dustpan to clean up the shattered remnants of his teddy bear*

i agree^

I feel like a child who just got their favorite teddy bear stolen, ripped to pieces in front of my eyes, and then burned.

ME TOO!!! :'(

ME TOO!!! :'(

ME THREE!

And snorts in the sun while prancing.

LOL!

Seriously guys. What exactly is it everyone is upset about? The demise of the NAME Panheads.org or the loss of all the general threads? Don't get me wrong, I'm disappointed to see it go as well. But I think if we're all upset about losing the threads and conversation and such.. that we should all try out panheadboards.proboards62.com
The transition there could be quite seamless and there are already a lot of familiar faces and threads.

This is how I have been feeling lately. It's hard to say exactly how things are going be on July 15th and post-date, so I don't know if things will be worse off like many have predicted and there is going to be many elements of the site that I'll miss. I'd like to be positive about it simply by the notion that in some situations you get what you expect.

Yeah.....I agree with Jennifer....( I seem to do that a-lot)! But on July 15th, the ONLY thing really chenging is the website we have to type in! Yes, I understand that A-LOT of post will be gone.....but its not the end, people don't really read what you posted in 2005 anyway anymore....so, its not that bi of a deal!!!! Yes, is sad that it is closing, BUT LIFE GOES ON!!!! Just make new post on new websites, I am!!!!

I am hoping our old stuff will be achived simply because it would feel like old times being deleted.

But with Jonathan's board it doesn't seem like we'll miss too much, except for people who want nothing to do with the new Skillet board or Jonathan's forum. In that case, I will miss those people a lot. I've many times been consciously grateful to have such wonderful people from Panheads in my life and I would miss them if they dropped off. And that could be a negative side that I wouldn't feel flippant over.

this is the last post that i'll be making on here, i will continue on the new board

I am part of the new board...but I will post as much as I can here, so I will be around posting until July 15th!

Im a lil sad but I also known that preety soon this place will close.

"All good things must come to an end", after all. I think we should all be grateful that we were a part while it lasted, and relax when it comes to moving somewhere new. A little change rarely hurts anybody.

It's definitely sad. But like everyone's saying...Something good will come out of this.

Yes, something good will come out of it....theres always a light at the end of every tunnel (does that have anything to do with this, the light and tunnel thing?)!!!

If anyone in control reads this, May I point out that any successful band forum has other sections other than Band only. Go look at Tourniquet's forum, Disciple's forum. Anyone.

I'm not a forum person, instead favoring the chat, however, I do hang out on forums of bands I REALLY like, even if it is only 1 post a month. That said, there's only so much to be said about a band.

Now that all that's out of the way, I must consider this my resignation here on the forums. The forums have been fun to browse and lurk at over the years, however, this place is going a place I won't follow. I will as always be in the chatroom (not the dead official chatroom, the real* one that I run a server at.) :-P

*real means where chatting takes place, because, you know...I won't provide a server to sit there and do nothing.

yea, im done here too.

i left this place for panheadboards.proboards62.com

come join us ;D

It's kinda amazing how a wave of acceptance is coming over everybody. It's nice to be able to accept change with ease.

........Heh

Eh . . . :P

i just cant believe that the boards as we know it are going to be gone. but i guess its for the best

doth hour draweth nearer.

Tic toc tic toc tic toc......

o_0

doth hour draweth nearer.

I wonder if anybody will gather outside the governors mansion to ask for a stay of execution?

Ok, I promised to stop in one more time and I did! I'm going away and won't be here for the farewell on my birthday (15th) but I hope to see everyone at Skillet.com and jonathan's board!

well...im going on vacation today..wont be back till after the boards close..so this is my last post. um..not sure really what to say..you guys are awesome and these boards are the best thing ever..good bye..and if you want you can hit me up on myspace..cause i like mysace...www.myspace.com/joellekool BYE!!!

it is amazing to see this place so dead. although i fully expect there to be 1,000 people on this board tomorrow night at midnight pst to watch it come to an end. i wont be here, ironically enough ill be thinking about it while watching a firework show.

it is amazing to see this place so dead. although i fully expect there to be 1,000 people on this board tomorrow night at midnight pst to watch it come to an end. i wont be here, ironically enough ill be thinking about it while watching a firework show.
I am amazed too.

hmm... yes... i would be interested to see who else is amazed. but of course no one else has been on.

I'm amazed to the point of speechlessness. ;)

*stares in amazment like everyone else*

Im always looking just have nothing to say

So.....when panheads.org closes, what will happen at midnight? Will it just all of a sudden the computer say that the site no longer exsist, or what?

I'm assuming it'll look similar to this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iy_72yGCuwI).