Corrupt Christian Music (http://www.corruptchristianmusic.com/home/index.html)!?!?

Have any of y'all ever seen this site before? I'm torn between laughing at how ridiculous it is and getting quite angry with their ultra-religious, holier-than-thou attitude.

I mean, check this out:

BENJAMIN GATE: "[they] are bringing a false gospel and causing the ignorant, impressionable youth to be led astray by their vague lyrics, irreligious actions and riotous example! This ungodly fruit reveals their true intentions of bridging lawlessness and Christianity."

PILLAR: "[Claims] to represent Christ to the masses, we ask, Do They? Contrary to what they claim, the facts and evidence prove they are completely compromised and decieved, therefore deceiving the multitudes who are following them on their destructive path."

And that's just a couple, they manage to misrepresent many other musicians as well. As well as flat out saying that "To date, we cannot recommend any Christian recording artist. After researching hundreds, no matter what type of music they sing, we have found them compromised." They also manage to bash CS Lewis, Billy Graham, HERO the Rock Opera...(etc. etc. - the list goes on and on.)

Thoughts?

Hm. Must be nice for the website runners that they're perfect and never compromise their Christianity. I wonder what it's like to be the best Christian in the world... we should ask..

That site reminds me of a website I stumbled upon years ago located here (http://www.av1611.org/cqguide.html). A friend of mine and I picked it apart via email and I actually still have it saved so here were his thoughts addressing the points made by the creators of the website. I thought they were good points.

I think there are many good points that the website has. While many of the issues it raises aren't terribly valid and are narrow minded you can still glean some good principles. Take it with a grain of salt.
Some of my observations:
1. The idea of CHRISTian (they're word): The last time I checked, the only thing that can receive salvation is a human. Thus Christian. Thus music or dogs or cement or books or fingernails or candles or crosses cannot be CHRISTian.

2. The site mentions that in tons of Christians songs "Jesus occurs - ZERO!" If I can read English, the entire Old Testament doesn't mention the word "Jesus." To top it off, the book of Esther doesn't even contain the word "God." It's the essence of how we are to live that we catch from a moral song regardless of the lyrics. This also means that if an atheist writes a song about being kind to your neighbor, not only can it be a good song, but it contains Biblical truths.

3. Although traditionally it's been used in a depressive way, Blues is a STYLE of music.

4. Speaking of "Old Songs," every hymn mentioned on the site is older than any secular/christian song listed.

5. If songs were just about praising God, we might want to throw out a good half of the Psalms; "Blessed are they that dash the babies heads on rocks" ouch!! "I curse thy rod and staff, they no longer confort me."

6. There's a lot of stress on the King James Bible. My guess is that they didn't know that the KJV was translated by a humanistic, womanizing homosexual, Erasmus. Although it's still a good translation, many of the words used have quite different definitions today. For example, the phrase "God forbid!" which occurs many times in the KJV is not found in any of the old texts.

7. The drum isn't menitioned in the Bible. OH MY GOODNESS!...NEITHER IS THE PIANO! We're going to hell for this one...

8. The hair thing...do I even need to respond? The very typical quoted Scripture is 1 Corinth 11:14. Of course they ignore the fact the previous verse says "Judge for yourselves: Is it proper for a woman to pray to God with her head uncovered?" The following verse, which continues in the same sentance as 14 says, "but that if a woman has long hair, it is her glory?" So...if a woman has short hair AND its not covered when she prays...is she the whore of Babylon or should we look for another?

My guess is that this was put together by some fairly nutzoid people. While many of the points they make are quite good in my opinion, they also accuse a bar code of being the mark of the beast. I got to reading some of the other stuff on the site and a good majority of it is pretty good. I think they tend to "prostitute" some of the Scripture to fit their opinions at times.

So... that's about all.

Look at Pillar's "bad" associations ::)...

Pillar + Jeff Roberts & Associates

Along with their promotion of Pillar, they promote other completely corrupted artists like the
young band Jump 5, who are "Christians" singing love songs in the secular world, of
course the kids listening to them on Disney have no idea they are "Christian". Also Big
Dismal who sing the trendy watered down, shallow dual message, that can mean both a
man/woman relationship and our walk with God. This trend is in both the secular as well
as in Christianity, Bono of U2 claims the same thing. A true song to the Lord can only be
to Him, as seen in all the songs recorded through the Bible. Their very name 'Dismal'
means: horrifying; fatal; dreadful; gloomy to the eye or ear; cheerless. What 'Christian' band
would ever have such a name? Plus demonic looking Skillet, as well as Plus One,
Rebecca St. James...and other bands that are drawing the multitudes away from truth


I had to laugh myself silly at the words 'Demonic looking Skillet' :P.

-J

Yeah been there saw that Yadda...Yadda..

They really discussed this site a lot on the Creation mb's some time ago...dont waste your time e-mailing them...they just send you back more of the same.

They have a right to their opinion(as wrong as it may be) and yes it does make you mad but there has been things like this happening since Jesus's time and before.

You guys have already said most of what i would say....so what do you do??...my suggestion is to pray for them....ask God to help them to see they need to starting using their time and talent to edify the body instead of tearing it down.

Ther is a right way and a wrong way to do everything and this web site is the wrong way...There are some bands and speakers for that matter that the Holy Spirit has given me a uneasy feeling about..so what do i do...First i pray for them and about them....then as the head of the house i discuss (discuss... not force) my feelings with my family so they will be aware that I have a problem with that certain thing.Then thats it..the rest is in Gods hands!!

Thats all I have to say about that :)

I do not like that site one bit. I'm curious to know...what do THEY listen to?

We should 'do as they say not as they DO' anyway.

And no one is perfect.

Except, the site owners of course. ;)


I had to laugh myself silly at the words 'Demonic looking Skillet' :P.


That really irked me. Demonic looking? And I suppose appearance means the world. Let's spend our time wearing PURE WHITE clothes to show everyone how perfect we are! WOW. Then NO ONE would ever want to be a christian again!!!

And the thing about not mentioning the name 'Jesus' or 'God'... hopefully the music will change you for good or open your eyes to something. Any song I have ever listened to has opened my eyes whether it was christian or not. *except Ring around the Rosies* Yes, even Marilyn Manson...the little I have heard. And Arch Enemy. It has made me angry for mocking my God, and did it affect me? Yes. In a good way. Not saying I should listen to it all the way...but yes.

I was just trying to put in some thoughts there. They also seem to be picky about what they listen to...which apparently I can't seem to figure out.

I also LOVE the little 'Note' they have on The Benjamin Gate's first page. haha. 'Even though they are disbanding...until these cds are no longer sold by christians...'

I saw that site a while ago. It's really messed up. I don't think I even finished going through it. I was starting to get mad. And it was late at night, and I get mad really easily at night, so I figured I shouldn't read more. :P

wow. i notice they dont have a page yet for skillet tho- i spose that doesnt come til after the mainstream release of collide.

theyre dissing newsboys on there...how odd....

I'm gonna read through this site. I heavily recommend people read this site

http://www.mindspring.com/~brucec/craindex.htm

This guy rips all these arguments apart.
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A common occurence in all these anti- Christian music sites is this

1. They focus on appearance not the heart

2. The compare a Christian band to a secular one, then give lots of gross details on the secular band to make you think that the Christian one is just as bad.

3. They quote heavily questionable sources (One I read uses RIP magazine! I MEAN COME ON!!!)

4. They know more about the secular artists than the Christian ones! 1 guy was trying to diss DC Talk and he mixed up their names. Yet was able to quote perfectly every name, album and video and even lyrics of a satanic band that supposedly resemble DC Talk.

5. They dont care in the slightest what the lyrical content is, unless they can twist it to their own end. They focus on how it sounds. Again the appearance thing

hmm if they can't spell half the words on their site correctly, i wonder if i should trust their opinion of music lol

Throw it out in the trash. These guys spend 90% of their time studying up on satanic and secular bands so they can blast any Christian band that even remotely sounds like them.

They nit-pick and nag and moan and complain.

Does very much remind me of the plank in the eye parable.

>:(Oooooh they diss LOTR too.. now im mad.... >:(

These guys are dissing Tolkien and Lewis now!!! I can't believe the amount of junk on this site!


Every page on EVERY artist they use the old - They associate with this band and like this bands music and they sound like this band... And here's everything wrong with those bands! SEE THE CHRISTIAN BAND IS NO BETTER!!!!

hey Skynes, thanks for the link to that other site...there a HUGE amount of good info on there.

LOL theres some HILARIOUS quotes from pillar on the evil site...

Yeah I know.

One thing on this site surprises me.

They don't have a:

Acceptable music is classical and hymnals. None other is acceptable it is all Satanic bit.

That's unusual for a site like this... Maybe I just haven't read enough.

"whats a pillar concert like?"
" a barrel of monkeys"
"yah, monkeys are the unoficial pillar mascot"
ROFL

They'll be trying to say Pillar are infecting children's minds with evolutionary propaganda next because of that!

ROFL yah

This site is now slamming Billy Graham.... Whem does this idiocy end?

it doesnt.....

http://www.corruptchristianmusic.com/tobymac/billygraham.html

Here you go. An entire page dedicated to accusing Billy Graham as being an agent of Satan.

ahhhhh! getting angrier......

ooo now theyre dissing RK...and john ruben...and of course pod...anberlin....blindside...im really surprised they havent done skillet yet tho. i find that almost as insulting as the crap they put on there, the fact that they ignore skillet...

Hmm..they say RK mocks Xianity..could they be talking about "down in flames" where they pick on Xians who hole themselves up in their little bunkers?

They probably would diss Skillet if they could find anything. Only thing they could probably get is their appearance, and thats just lame.

Pick your favorite type of music, they diss it on there....
on a similar theme, how could you possibly diss rich mullins for not being christian?!?!?!?!?!

ehehehehehe wait until MY album comes out. I bet they will love it. >=)

Another site like this is http://www.av1611.org/ Another rediculas site full of morons.

CJ

Ok Guys I know that you are upset thats understandable but calling these people names isnt going to do any good and is stooping to their level....I have read on other sites that they expect that reaction from CCM fans.....so lets disappoint them here 8)

Now here is another GOOD site to check out.

http://www.almenconi.com/

Okay, there are some things I'd like to say.

These people probably listened to Christian-music when they were our age. I'm betting that the adults from when they were young said that their Christian-music didn't glorify God and dissed it the same exact way. And they probably didn't like it. So if that's true, why would they go and do the same thing to us?

Also, it's not right to judge people by what they look like, they probably even teach their children that, but they go off and judge people like Skillet and Pillar by their looks.

And one thing that REALLY ticks me off is the fact that they called our generation ignorant and impressionable. Sure, many people our age are ignorant and impressionable, but when they say the whole generation is the same way, that's prejudice.

Also, my Uncle, who's the pastor of my church, would probably like what these people are saying. My uncle believes that Skillet, Thousand Foot Krutch, Pax217, Pillar, and all the other CCM bands do not glorify God in their music. If he believes Christian-rock doesn't glorify God, he believes the same for my music. I only have lyrics written, and he likes them. But, some of my songs have "!" representing shouting, and one of my songs "Toxication", so he goes by the music, not lyrics on how he judges music on glorifying God.

These people are wrong, period. They're being prejudice, judging people on appearance, and narrow-minded.

that web site is full of crap and never make a valid point . if i ever become a christian singer that web site will say i was part of the occult and the daughter of satan.al their claims are far fetched and stupid all they seem to do ispoint the finger and blow bands where abouts out if porportion(i probably spelled that wrong)

Oh... they did not just judge Skillet?! >:( Those people really need some help, bunch of idiots. I've not came across any other band like Skillet that glorified Christs name like they do! Grrr... they've really managed to tick me off...

i laugh at them... i laugh at them and then stomp on their heads. weirdos. and this has been said before, but if christian artists are just as bad as secular, should we all start listening to classical? or does that have sexual overtones too? ::)

worldly sound.... WHAT KINDA CRAP IS THIS???? i suppose that to be a christian artist you have to sound like gospel music...ick. bleah. i'm mad now. *stomps on a few more heads*

surrounding themselves with filth.... scuse me, but as christians, aren't we supposed to be reaching out to the "filth" ? >:( ::)

>:( This has made me so mad, almost to the point of tears!!! Did you know, I would still be in my black hole if it werent for bands like skillet and pillar! Their music and their style of dress reachs out to youth/ppl that the church cant reach. I saw pillar on saturday nite, thier is no way they are demonic, bands like skillet and pillar are all the way for christ, this idiots need to look at the lyrics and see the way these guys live their lives, before they go and crush their reputation. Maybe we can get the sight shut down!! I am really seething mad!

ehehehehehe wait until MY album comes out. I bet they will love it. >=)

Ha! That could prove extremely hilarious! I think I would enjoy it. >:3 Personally, I find that website sad and pathetic. I don't think I've ever seen more close-minded people. I hate that term, but there's no other way to describe it. Remind me to go there and read that part about MercyMe being evil next time I need a good laugh. ::)

completely nuts i will help u stop on their heads, maybe we could bash them with at bass guitar??

ehehehehehe wait until MY album comes out. I bet they will love it. >=)

I know I probably would.
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After reading John316s post, he makes a good point. As annoying as this is (I personally find it more amusing than annoying) calling them idiots and morons and wanting to beat them up is making us just as bad as they are.

The more we react like that, the more convinced they will be that they are right. Let's prove them wrong. Prove them that listening to Christian Rock DOESNT make you violent and nasty etc. And make u lust left right and centre.


I'm guilty of being agressive to them too. I take that post to be a good rebuking kick up the butt for me and a very good reason to change my attitude toward them.


These people probably listened to Christian-music when they were our age. I'm betting that the adults from when they were young said that their Christian-music didn't glorify God and dissed it the same exact way.

They did actually. The traditional hymns with organ was introduced by Charles Wesley (I think) and was branded a heretic by the rest of the church for it. Those involved with this heretical style of music were branded Satanic and couldn't be Christians.

They wrote their own songs and music and played them in church people at that time used the Psalms with no music. Some churches still do. But because some people wanted music and write their own music they got blasted in the same way for it.

Now the ones who got blasted are doing the blasting... Makes me kinda scared that in 30-40 yrs WE will be the ones blasting the new kind of Christian music that will exist then!!!

completely nuts i will help u stop on their heads, maybe we could bash them with at bass guitar??


:oNO HITTING WITH BASS GUITAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That would be a disgrace to the bass guitar! I play bass! Strabgle them with amp cords. ;D

I HAVE A BETTER Idea throw cast iron skillets at them lol

Did anyone read my post at all?

This is kinda doing EXACTLY what they want. Playing right into their hands...



Though I'll admit, throwing Skillets at them would be funny.

I agree with Skynes, these guys aren't worth the time and energy to get all mad and wanting to go hunt them down. Pray that God will enlarge their minds and they won't put God in their little box.

Did anyone read my post at all?

This is kinda doing EXACTLY what they want. Playing right into their hands...



Though I'll admit, throwing Skillets at them would be funny.

I think we should just make them come to a skillet concert and listen to john preach during it....then see what they think!

May 31, 2003
I almost killed myself at the end of our set. When I attempted to
throw my bass over my shoulder it somehow spun wrong and ended
up tightly around my neck almost choking me. I had a hard time
getting it off. I'm sure it was pretty funny, just not to me. - Kalel [3]



^i find that funny about pillar, what's the point???

You know....as much fun as it sounds to hit them rite upside their heads....

You gotta remember that we can't depend on their hate to define our love.

(That song is a very good approach to take to these people...Read. (http://www.panheads.org/music/songDetail?id=11))

i just find it odd that they are so closed-minded that they can go calling pillar and p.o.d. and superchic[k] "filth" i mean, as christians, we're not supposed to be so judgemental, but calling bands filthy and scummy and taking the exact dictionary definition of words like "wild" are just a little... off. i mean, i'm sure that when The Benjamin Gate says that they are "wild" for God, they probably don't mean the exact dictionary definition ::)

I personally think its aload of crap...its just like how people in the past said rock and roll was sin...."You can't stop the rock"(John cooper). But anyways....Like with the benjamin gate...I dont see any proof of what they are describing...Same with pillar..Pillar talks heavily about living for God In some songs and such....Its a load of garbage I think

IMperfection....I love your responce...with hey you I love your soul.....

one more thing..lol.....WHy does christian music have to say jesus....Not all skillet songs say jesus...But some tell a story or needing jesus...Its not what is in the song...But its what motivates, or inspires what you are writing...If God gives you something to write as a song...then you should..because that is what he wants you to say

You know....as much fun as it sounds to hit them rite upside their heads....

You gotta remember that we can't depend on their hate to define our love.

(That song is a very good approach to take to these people...Read. (http://www.panheads.org/music/songDetail?id=11))

I dont advocate violence...unless you count sending them to a skillet concert as violence and hate
lol

http://www.corruptchristianmusic.com/index2/contact.html

okay, now i'm actually angry, listen
"We must remember the Jesus came in the same weak flesh that we live in, "being just human" or of sinful flesh like us (Romans 8:3), yet He overcame His humanness/sinful flesh by staying full of the Holy Spritit, through prayer, constant communion and obedience to His Father"

so, we don't have to sin??? we can be perfect like Jesus? i have other comments on this too, but if i post some of it now it'll be out of anger and i don't want that to happen, this just makes me sick though

here's Romans 8:1-3, do you see that Jesus could be sinful, no, just that he sent him in the likeness, not the same, ahem, ahem, i'm done for now


1Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus,[1] 2because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set me free from the law of sin and death. 3For what the law was powerless to do in that it was weakened by the sinful nature,[2] God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful man to be a sin offering.[3] And so he condemned sin in sinful man,[4] 4in order that the righteous requirements of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the sinful nature but according to the Spirit.

Only have one question.. Why is U2 listed? He must not know christian music well

Newsboys fan pages reveal their influences to be Jesus Christ or their parents, but our pages will
reveal another picture. Their own admission of influences such as U2, Sarah McLaughlin, The
Doors, Beatles, Beach Boys and Moby along with many others, which point to pagan, anti-Christ,
ungodly influence. (We will be show some of these within the pages.)
This guy is just a person who gets on my nerves... He yells at bands for saying they are influenced by other bands... give me a break

Please Click here to read more about this joining together; to see how
dangerous this game Amplitude is for the youth, and also to see what
P.O.D. is saying about it!
I almost fell out of my seat when I read this... how is the game amplitude dangerous? ;D

What's amplitude?


Like I said before these guys have expert knowledge of secular and satanic bands yet mix up the names of Christian bands.

Its a simple game where you switch between the bass, guitar, vocal and drum lines and activate them when you feel like it... hardly dangerous

weird...

I find this very interesting...
When a Christian band, especially like MercyMe, is accepted by the secular world,
most Christians now say how wonderful, we're reaching the world for Christ. But
if the world was being reached, as the Apostles once did, it would be turned
rightside-up by now. Those steeped in false religion would turn from their
falsehoods, psychics and fortune tellers would no longer tell their fortunes,
idolators would lay down their idols, fornicators and adulteries would cease, the
prostitute, drug dealers and the profane would become clean, witchcraft would halt,
magicians and occultists wouldn't be called Christian, those pretending Christianity
would be exposed. In short, conviction would return to the Land that once knew
right from wrong.
Hm. Okay, so b/c the world isn't perfect means that we as Christians aren't doing what God wants us to do? I'm curious. How many people has this person convicted into being "perfect." None, since, obviously, the only perfect person in the world is this person. ::) Sad.

Sorry about the "Bash them over the head with the bass guitar" coment! I play the bass guitar as well! They fully need our prayers, I wonder what pillar would say if they read that?? I got to see pillar on saturday nite, they were so awesome!!

Pidget I think what he means is that if a Christian band was doing what he thinks they should be doing thousands of people would turn to God all the time. If EVERY band was doing what he thinks they shud do the whole world would be saved....

woo this thread is fun....i wonder what it would be like to meet one of that sites webmasters in person. do they look like normal ppl, or do they dress funny to avoid appearing "wordly"?

or maybe they stay holed up in front of their computers looking for bad secular bands to compare good Christian bands to.

Personally I think they are naked....

I know I just got a bunch of funny looks but hear me out.


They oppose worldliness


Clothes are worldly


Therefore they do not wear them.


lol

Appearance doesn't matter. I have a whole argument for this. ::)

All summed up in this - Man looks at the outward appearance, God looks to the heart.

Personally I think they are naked....

I know I just got a bunch of funny looks but hear me out.


They oppose worldliness


Clothes are worldly


Therefore they do not wear them.


lol

lol could be. but arent computers and the web wordly too, so y are they using those?

I think its all selective. They don't want clothes and computers to be worldly. But rock music is...

Pretty much mix andm atching what you do/dont want to be worldly

its like the great religious buffet....

Appearance doesn't matter. I have a whole argument for this. ::)


she does :o i have been subject to this lecture many times :o ;)

and skynes, when you think about it, the clothes arguement does make sense ;D

Yeah I know. They're using a definition of worldliness that means ANYTHING the world has

clothes
food
books

OMW THE BIBLE IS SATANIC BECAUSE SATANIC BOOKS EXIST!!!!!! AAAAHHHHHH!!!!!!


silly definition innit?

lol....

Yeah I know. They're using a definition of worldliness that means ANYTHING the world has

clothes
food
books

OMW THE BIBLE IS SATANIC BECAUSE SATANIC BOOKS EXIST!!!!!! AAAAHHHHHH!!!!!!


silly definition innit?

well they must be pretty hungry...or maybe they take that verse literally about "man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of the Father"

but wouldn't it be sacreligious to eat the bible? ???

Just wait until he gets his dc Talk page up again... that is one crap filled page... he's putting evanescence on there... HA... they aren't a christinan band they said that...

Did anyone read my post at all?

This is kinda doing EXACTLY what they want. Playing right into their hands...



Though I'll admit, throwing Skillets at them would be funny.


Dude, I was kidding. (except for the part where I said it would be a disgrace by hitting them with a bass guitar)

And it would be funny to throw skillets at them, but they'd probably say something like "look at what that demonic band Skillet is doing to those impressional brats! Teaching them to bombard people with skillets!".

I knew u were all joking but all it takes is ONE Anti-rocker to come onto this site, read that thread then rip chunks out of it and put it up on a page saying about "OH look how anti-Christ like their attitude is! We were right, it's incontestable now! Rock music makes you violent"

I'd rather not help those guys in their personal Inquisition. I want to be as much of a hindrance as possible and that is best done by showing them a Christ-like attitude and being totally opposite to what they expect me to be.


he's putting evanescence on there... HA... they aren't a christinan band they said that...


Well I did say they know nothing about the Christian bands but are experts on the secular. Only makes sense for them to mix them up!

Prolly going to use Evanescence as evidence that 'Christian Rock' bands aren't Christians at all.

I honestly cant wait to see what its like when they put a skillet page on there...

heee heee i go on that site when i need a laugh ;)

The more Christians I meet, the mroe I like my dog... No seriously... more and more of them are turning out like that guy, prozac Jesus worshippers or the Super Faith you can get everything u want if u have enough faith types...

I think we should just make them come to a skillet concert and listen to john preach during it....then see what they think!


I can see it now...

" John Coopers Alien Youth message about abstenice ( sp?) is actually using demonic under tones to temp youth into premartial sex!"

I think we should just ignore them.
At least until they say something relevant or positive.

Why ignore them when you can get free laffs just by going to their site? its almost as funny as homestarrunner.com!!!!!!

whats homestarrunner?

a web site with hilarious cartoons..
www.homestarrunner.com

dude...You all need to see The couch patch one under strongbad emails....And listen to the 9th marzipans answering machine..... I found out bout that site over the summer from a friend. and Its never let me down once

strongbad is funny...

re:this is just crazy - sad to say, sites like this are out to get people worked up. they not open to correction...i just kinda shrug it off. not everyone is gonna like what these bands are doing. reminds me of RRWC, they get a lot of smack on these type of sites for their appearance. they just laugh. i mean, what's the point of getting worked up over it? a lot of the times those sites are going strictly by pics and a few songs they have heard. they obviously don't know the people behind the band...so, in my opinion, their statements are not valid.

That dude would probably freak when he finds out that John went to a Manson concert, never mind what the reason is...

i've seen that website myself and it is just garbage. I'm not even gonna bother emailing those ppl because i know no matter how much evidence i give to those ppl, they will not accept it. They have deliberately shut their eyes to the truth and all they want to do is just nit-pick and criticize all the while portraying the image that they are the perfect christains. The only thing that can open their eyes, is God. I personally would not bother reading much of that website because it will just make you mad and put you in a foul mood(trust me, i've experienced this). Instead, just pray for the ppl who run the website.

maybe these guys have a valuable point?? Instead of bringing them down completely we should try to understand their point, i can understand you guys defending your favourite band because you are so loyal. but remember the members of skillet and every other band are still human. Please relise they are not perfect. and dont began to uncounsiouly worship them

What valuable point? That all bands they don't like are satanic? That CS Lewis and JRR Tolkien are occultic writers? That Billy Graham is a heretic?

Sorry but I can so no point in things like that.


I have no problem that a band are human, that they do make mistakes. But to turn round and say that they are satanic because of these mistakes is just wrong.


This doesn't have anything to do with defending our bands. Is to do with people twisting the truth and leaving out information to suit their ends. They are judging ppl on appearance and musical sound and taste.

Please Be Careful, this site does contain some sensually
explicit pictures and content - due to the extent of the
musicians error and compromises these had to be
included. Our hope is you become saddened, disturbed
and grieved - as we also have become - at the condition
of these Christian Contemporary Musicians!
--- We do Apologize!

thats at the bottom of every page. yes, those pictures are very sensual. i mean look at the picture of tobymac, hes just standing there. i think they might be reffering to his army pants. those are bad kids. don't where those or you will go to hell! ::) yes this content is bad INFORMATION!!!!! i hope that this site is a joke.

Unfortunately its not. It's very serious. These ppl believe what they are saying 100%.

The Benjamin gate one makes me very mad, and pretty much every article on there makes me mad.
Max from Superchic[k] got mad about it too, and he was telling me about it at a show.
He said "I can't believe it, just because we shop at Hot Topic and are energetic with our performance doesn't mean we are "corrupt", nor worldy!"
He got mad and pounded the table too

I was mad at first, now I just laugh. its all just so ridiculous....

Christians like the ones who run Corrupt... are the ones who would build a solid steel wall around their church property so that none of the world can get in, including the ones who need church the most. they aren't doing that litteraly, but they are most definetly doing it figuratively. they want church to be a "christian country club" so they can get away from the filthy world and bask in how well off they are spiritually. they won't admit to it, but that is the result of their attitude.

Ive seen that site before, But ya there only human, but give them a break(not really talkin you you guys), isn't the World aready pushing down on us and them.

haha. i looked at that site like 5 months ago, and that's the kind of site you look at if you wanna laugh your butt off for hours.

lol

my mom's crazy, she did something and found out that everything about this site billing address etc is in one person's name running it out of somewhere in CA

so its one guy running the ENTIRE site?

girl, at least everything, EVERYTHING is in her name

ITS A GIRL!?!?!? :o

yep, i pictured a few middle-aged guys ULTRA conservative about Christianity (just look at the site, much of it is bashing how "crazy" the bands and concerts are)

I wonder if anyones emailed the site an actually agreed with her.

I expected it to be some middle aged man with too much time on his hands being a member of a hyper-faith church where anything but Psalms are forbidden and heretical, and he's best mates with the ppl at av1611.org

Taken from http://www.corruptchristianmusic.com/kevinmax/about.html

About Kevin Max (DC Talk singer) wanting to show love to homosexuals and not condemn them
-------
This is showing how contrary Kevin's thinking is to God's! The Scripture
never shows godly people showing love and grace toward the obstinate,
hardened immoral and perverse.
------------

Thats messed up...



Even worse is her attitude to associations. HOW ON EARTH ARE WE SUPPOSED TO GIVE PEOPLE THE GOSPEL IF WERE NOWHERE NEAR EM!!!!

i don't think i'll visit this site w/o a reason anymore because it stirs only anger in me now

The first time I read a site like this I was annoyed. But now I've seen so many that I don't even think twice about it. They ALWAYS follow the same old argument.

1. Name Christian band
2. Find associations, likings of Christian band that is secular
3. List EVERYTHING wrong with the secular association
4. Blame the secular on the Christian

VOILA! You have the recipe for marring the name of ANY Christian!

hehe. tis so true....

Taken from http://www.corruptchristianmusic.com/kevinmax/about.html

About Kevin Max (DC Talk singer) wanting to show love to homosexuals and not condemn them
-------
This is showing how contrary Kevin's thinking is to God's! The Scripture
never shows godly people showing love and grace toward the obstinate,
hardened immoral and perverse.
------------

Thats messed up...


that is. we are to be like Jesus - and He hung out with the prostitutes, homosexuals...He came to share the love of God to the world. Agape love seeks out the hurt and needy and embraces them, not needing a reason to.

and many times the people worse off are the religious people who point the finger in condemnation to others, all the while thinking they are ok.

and we are to be like Christ. Dying to self so He can flow through us.

I think shes sick, she just takes everything and twists it

My friend made this site in mockery of CorruptChristian music, it's awesome ;D
http://www.superdaveyworld.com/~corrupt/

heehee ur friends site is pretty funny. I wud make an anti-CCM site but It'd be too sarcastic and nasty and I don't want to show that kind of attitude.

My friend made this site in mockery of CorruptChristian music, it's awesome ;D
http://www.superdaveyworld.com/~corrupt/


LOL!!!!! THAT IS ABSOLUTELY HILARIOUS!!!!!! ;D
and so true.... ;D


but the whole sensual content thing.... what sensual content? the worst that I saw on there was mentioning the band Orgy.... weirdo ::)

I noticed that too. She talks of disgusting content and all but there isnt any!!

they consider clothes where you can tell the person wearing them is female to be "sensual".

Look at Pillar's "bad" associations ::)...

Pillar + Jeff Roberts & Associates

Along with their promotion of Pillar, they promote other completely corrupted artists like the
young band Jump 5, who are "Christians" singing love songs in the secular world, of
course the kids listening to them on Disney have no idea they are "Christian". Also Big
Dismal who sing the trendy watered down, shallow dual message, that can mean both a
man/woman relationship and our walk with God. This trend is in both the secular as well
as in Christianity, Bono of U2 claims the same thing. A true song to the Lord can only be
to Him, as seen in all the songs recorded through the Bible. Their very name 'Dismal'
means: horrifying; fatal; dreadful; gloomy to the eye or ear; cheerless. What 'Christian' band
would ever have such a name? Plus demonic looking Skillet, as well as Plus One,
Rebecca St. James...and other bands that are drawing the multitudes away from truth


I had to laugh myself silly at the words 'Demonic looking Skillet' :P.

-J

actually big dismal (much as i dislike that creed ripoff band) takes their name from a big hole in the ground thingy filled with water known as the big dismal.

http://www.superdaveyworld.com/~corrupt/
[quote]

LOL!!!!! THAT IS ABSOLUTELY HILARIOUS!!!!!! ;D
and so true.... ;D


but the whole sensual content thing.... what sensual content? the worst that I saw on there was mentioning the band Orgy.... weirdo ::)
high light the text!! Just do it!

hehe funniness....

oooooooh funny...i saw it!!! thats hilari...

PILLAR
"We eat babies. Kalel likes to eat them raw, but the rest of us like them BBQ flavored."
-Rob Beckley (We made this up. Shh!)

haha, that's funny, haha

One of the guys in pillar just had a babe?

PILLAR
"We eat babies. Kalel likes to eat them raw, but the rest of us like them BBQ flavored."
-Rob Beckley (We made this up. Shh!)

haha, that's funny, haha



I laughed so hard when I saw that one.

I did find the baby eating kind of amusing.... They must have watched Austin Powers 2

that whole site just made me laugh... ;D

Look at Pillar's "bad" associations ::)...

Pillar + Jeff Roberts & Associates

Along with their promotion of Pillar, they promote other completely corrupted artists like the
young band Jump 5, who are "Christians" singing love songs in the secular world, of
course the kids listening to them on Disney have no idea they are "Christian". Also Big
Dismal who sing the trendy watered down, shallow dual message, that can mean both a
man/woman relationship and our walk with God. This trend is in both the secular as well
as in Christianity, Bono of U2 claims the same thing. A true song to the Lord can only be
to Him, as seen in all the songs recorded through the Bible. Their very name 'Dismal'
means: horrifying; fatal; dreadful; gloomy to the eye or ear; cheerless. What 'Christian' band
would ever have such a name? Plus demonic looking Skillet, as well as Plus One,
Rebecca St. James...and other bands that are drawing the multitudes away from truth


I had to laugh myself silly at the words 'Demonic looking Skillet' :P.

-J

actually big dismal (much as i dislike that creed ripoff band) takes their name from a big hole in the ground thingy filled with water known as the big dismal.



Demonic looking Skillet?
Sorry, but just because they wear black, chains, and Star Wars shirts does not mean they look "demonic."
Geez woman, what are your kids like?

'"Adrienne says:

it's quite different, quite raw and
energetic...it's very South African,
just in the spirit behind it."...

This statement is very interesting, because Adreinne has openly
stated a very subtle statement. The spirit behind their music is a
South African spirit - showing that Adreinne knows the Holy Spirit
has nothing to do with her music. South Africa is steeped in
mysticism and shamanism.'

OH DEAR! This means...if I come from America *the most ungodliest place of them all* then I can't POSSIBLY have a good influence...since I come from that area. She was simply saying they are from South Africa and its energetic. WOW.

that whole thing about "punk" meaning rotten wood... that's just weird ::) i mean, even if that is in the dictionary, there's probably something about the style of music and dress, and she probably omitted that ::)

Yeah, the lady sounds like a crochety woman who only listens to classical, and anything that has a beat is satanic.
Maybe she's Amish
(I just remembered, Amish people don't really use technology, but it's their way of life(Some of them are really nice too)

i kinda doubt that she's amish... 1st of all, the most advanced technology they generally use are phones, and..... i forgot what i was going to say ::)

they are SO stupid. kevin max was talking about how he had forgien influences, so that is how he got its world feel. since we have einsteins running this site, that means that he is a worldly artist, so therefore he is not a christian. the only reason that phil keaggy is that he had a picture taken of him with pod. and pod arnt christians, cause they are on mtv. so, your not allowed to hang out with non-christians, even though jesus did. i mean, why try to be like jesus, he was only the only perfect person to ever walk this planet. ::)

*cough* Parody... (http://www.superdaveyworld.com/~corrupt/) *cough*

Parody, it is awesome ;D

"We like to draw tattoos on any statues of Mary we see. We know that Mary was really a punk in real life."
-Noah, guitar player (We made this up, too. Keep it down!)

lol, taht cracks me up.

haha, I know ;D

Atleast the parody warns us about kneecaps and shoulders. ;) ::) ;)

yes, my friend is a genius ;)

The site is cool though it does seem to mock a bit too much.

I have this ideai n my head that ppl making an anti-anti-Christian rock site should be very careful with their wording. Cause these ppl are expert twisters. I'd like to give them as little ammunition as possible.

on the other hand what are the chances that anyone will actually find it unless someone gives them a link to it?

The site is cool though it does seem to mock a bit too much.

I have this ideai n my head that ppl making an anti-anti-Christian rock site should be very careful with their wording. Cause these ppl are expert twisters. I'd like to give them as little ammunition as possible.


Ya, I know what u mean, it is a little too crazy though.

on the other hand what are the chances that anyone will actually find it unless someone gives them a link to it?


They probably look themselves. Hey it gives them more ammunition to fight the 'evils of C Rock' with.

Just read this on the original link for this thread... about dc talk.

they've split up into solo careers only to be rejoined together again, just like the beatles.

1. Oh yes. All bands that split and rejoin are from SATAN! ;)

2. Dc talk rejoined? They put out an album with a bunch of their solo songs on it but they didn't rejoin as far as I know. *coughfalseinformationcough*

I also thought it interesting how under the picture of Adrienne of TBG, it had the caption "Would Jesus Pose Like This?" lol.

I love Toby Macs thing,

Look at him, hes arm resseling with that guy(I forgot).

lol

What, didn't you guys get the memo from God that only hymns played on organs are glorifying to Him? I mean, you don't belive that David reallydanced before the Lord, do you?

Seriously, if these people had their way, we would never reach out to the world, and we would lose most of the young people in the Church. I know my dad talks about how they weren't supposed to listen to rock back in his day because it was of the devil. Thankfully, a generation has risen up that is not afraid to worship God in their own way.

I don't know, I kind of disagree. It's by God's grace that people are saved, not good music. Good or bad it isn't the music that speaks to people, it's God, but at the same time, I do believe that music can be rockin', it's man's ignorance that makes him give credit to satin for things that may have been used for God's glory. But whether it rocks or not, people are still going to get saved. If they're getting saved just 'cause they heard good music, I'd question their motives.

hey, i just thought of something, i forgot where (don't feel like looking for it right now) but she said that these are role models etc, yeah, they are, but she's saying that they're supposed to be more resposible than us, so she's saying that we're all not equal, ha, found yet another flaw

I just read the Evanescence one and what I wanna say on it is this "What's the point!?"

It's about Corrupt Christian Music right? Yet she has articles on secular bands..... oooookkkkkkk....

yes that's a wee bit strange... little behind the times there :o ::)

LOL. When will they add a skillet page? I am shocked and surprised that they dont have one already...LOL

LOL. When will they add a skillet page? I am shocked and surprised that they dont have one already...LOL

I personally don't think they'll make one. Simply because Skillet's music, lifestyle, interviews and walk, match what they say. If they DID make a

Skillet page it'll all be about their style of dress and music.
They'd get at Lori for listening to Nirvana as inspiration (oo Nirvana the satanic band where the lead singer killed himself! THEYRE USING THEM AS INSPIRATIONS!?!?)
and John going to a Manson concert (ooo Manson the satanic guy, I bet This John fellow iso ne of his worshippers!)

and the way they've been compared to Manson (ooo they definitely worship Manson... Listen to their songs... so satanicy)


actually... come to think of it..... they probably would have enough to get at Skillet with....

yup... skillet just exudes satanism.... ::)

actually... come to think of it..... they probably would have enough to get at Skillet with....
LOL well they did come up with enought to condemn mercyme...LOL :o :o

strange... in the "about" page for evanescence, it says numerous times that they aren't a christian band.... WHY THE HECK ARE THEY ON THAT SITE THEN????? C'MON PEOPLE, THIS ISN'T THAT DIFFICULT!!!!! ::) :o

and how can she knock C.S. Lewis? and Tolkien? c'mon, lady, they were a lot smarter than you... i bet they could have spotted the hypocrisy and contradictions in something they had written right away! :angry: a christian doesn't write myths... why not? if it's all in fun... sheesh. ::)

c'mon c_n, after you read thru that site a couple times, youll stop being mad and just start laughing cuz its all so ridiculous...loll.

Yeah ur right. When I first started reading those types of sites I felt a bit of doubt, got that dealt with and then felt idignant, then a bit bitter. Now I look at them and wonder what their motives are... Why they REALLY think this and REALLY do this.

Also, I find it amusing...

c'mon c_n, after you read thru that site a couple times, youll stop being mad and just start laughing cuz its all so ridiculous...loll.
i know... i was laughing. certain things get me a little mad, but most of it is so stupid that i just start laughing... ::)

I expected it to be some middle aged man with too much time on his hands

Hey Watch it!!!!.....I resemble that remark :P

lol... at least you spend your time on here, instead of making stupid websites with false info ::]

and how can she knock C.S. Lewis? and Tolkien? c'mon, lady, they were a lot smarter than you... i bet they could have spotted the hypocrisy and contradictions in something they had written right away! :angry: a christian doesn't write myths... why not? if it's all in fun... sheesh. ::)
The sad thing is, I know a girl who's not allowed to read any fantasy stories for reasons like that. :P

I am listening to the Houseplant Song from Audio A right now, and I thought about this site. It's just really amusing because it's so absurd.

Hey Watch it!!!!.....I resemble that remark :P

LOL!



(Know wots annoying with this new board? You gotta have at least 10 characters per message!)

(know what else is annoying? it doesn't like to send e-mail change confirmation notes promptly.)
but i digress....that site is really stupid tho.

(Know wots annoying with this new board? You gotta have at least 10 characters per message!)
i actually like that feature. it keeps people from spamming with LOL! every other post. but, like C_N said, i digress... :)

Yeah instead of saying LOL! Everyone is going to have to say

LOL!......


^ lol.

Anyone think it'd be a good idea to post more Pro-Christian rock sites? C-Rock Apologetics as it were?

Sure, why not.

and how can she knock C.S. Lewis? and Tolkien? c'mon, lady, they were a lot smarter than you... i bet they could have spotted the hypocrisy and contradictions in something they had written right away! :angry: a christian doesn't write myths... why not? if it's all in fun... sheesh. ::)

They were obviously smarter than this woman, considering she made a page about Evenescence not being a Christian band, when it says throughout the whole blasted thing that they're not!
(I can figure that out, and I'm not a rocket scientist!)

as much as it is frustrating how people write these things about bands...we really shouldn't judge her. she's obviously been hurt by the church in some way that she now is spending time lashing out against christians.

but that doesn't give us a right to lash right back at her...

Maybe she's just trying to get payback or something...

Geez why are you guys still hot about this website? It's not gonna change any because you keep going there, keep reading it, and keep getting mad about it! There are always gonna be people who will hate anything and everything. Come on, people hated Jesus enough to crucify Him! And He was perfect! How much more do you think people will knock Christian bands, with all their imperfections and failures?
You guys really shouldn't dwell on the things that make you angry. It's not good for you. Trust me.