supernova
03-05-2004, 06:00 PM
I don't know how many of you have a big problems with groups like the Mormons or Jehovas Witnesses, but I sure do. It can be the absolute hardest thing to share the word of God with these people, but they still need him, and I thought I'd put this thread here so people can talk about it. Share your thoughts and experiences.
alienated_twin
03-05-2004, 11:52 PM
i was wondering when this topic would come up. there already is one for jehovah's witnesses, so i figured mormons would be coming up sometime. i was a mormon for the first 13 years of my life. it's hard to share the true word of God with them because they are trained to follow the leader (the "prophet") mindlessly, without realizing that they are being trained to do so. i don't really have a problem with the people themselves, but i do have a major problem with their teachings.
cherrypanhead
03-06-2004, 08:36 AM
My friend's friend is a Mormon and as far as I know she's pretty hard to share the truth with as well. But she has been coming to my youth church occasionaly.
skilletosis
03-06-2004, 08:53 AM
ok here's what ya need to do if you want to witness to Mormons. Study alot!, pray alot!, basicaly get prepared way ahead of time.They have to spend alot of time studying before they are allowed to go door to door. Also have at least 2 christians present. Remember this they are very versed. You need to pick a topic and stick with it. Don't let them twist scripture. And watch out for rabbit trails. They are very good at changing the subject when they feel the least bit uncomfortable. I went thru this a while back with my mom. Tho she was baptized into thier church her elders had moved away and she really didn't know thier teachings yet. I had a long talk with her which she tried to avoid but I didn't let her. At this point she isn't pursuing anything at all. Personaly I believe that she got caught up in the experience of new friends in her life. Which I will say this, the Mormons are some of the nicest most well intentioned, but blinded people there are. The problem is that won't get you to heaven, just to judgement and the lake of fire.
theelectric3
03-06-2004, 11:50 AM
yeah, i agree that mormons are some of the nicest people. there are a lot of mormons where i live. churches and all.
another suggestion as far as witnessing to them goes, is to share the love of Christ with them. just love them where they are at. they are well trained [as skilletosis refered to] in debates. but the love of Christ - genuine love with no conditions attached, they will not be able to debate away.
that's what i did [with His strength and wisdom] in high school. just being friendly - but i also make it clear that i didn't agree with their doctrine. so we agreed to disagree. and of course i would pray for them as the Lord placed them on my heart. they knew i was a christian and one guy even came up and told me how he wasn't really into the mormon religion anymore. you could tell he was searching. he would ask me about good christian bands and such. i pray he will see the truth one day.
and a girl wrote in my yearbook - "thanks for staying true to your beliefs. for being nice to people even when they weren't nice to you."
i say all of this to encourage those of you who are around mormons a lot [whether it be school or work] just share the love of Jesus with them. it'll plant seeds and gain their respect for you. so that later on, they may come up to you and start asking questions about christianity. and if not, maybe later on in their life God will bring another Christian along to reap the harvest [so to speak].
skilletosis brought up a good point. study the word of God. to the point where it just isn't in your head, but in your heart as well. know what you believe. so that if you are questioned - you have scripture to back things up. the Bible tells us to be ready in season and out of season.
and remember that God loves them. the same blood shed for you and me was shed for them. and don't give up on them either, for nothing is impossible with God. :)
skilltroks
03-06-2004, 01:26 PM
ok.. first of all Mormons are a form of Christianity.. right?? then... I always thought mormons were good and all since they handed out Bibles and stuff. But, then what I'm getting is that mormons is like a cult.
supernova
03-06-2004, 09:01 PM
ok.. first of all Mormons are a form of Christianity.. right??
No...not really. You're right how you say that Mormons are a CULT though. I live in a region of Arizona where Mormons are everywhere. They live breath and eat GOODNESS, or so they'd like you to think.
Think of it this way, Mormons are doing all these good things, for one purpose and one purpose only: to glorify themselves. Mormonism is a lot like Humanism, because they basically worship man, themselves. According to their belief system, God the Father...is Adam? Figure that one out! They think that Adam became a "glorified being" by being a good person and became God. "All men can, and will become gods. All of us men will become gods and rule our own planets while our wives...emphasis on more than one...will just be baby machines and do our bidding". I've done so much study on Mormons...and they're just scary. Hate the sin though, not the sinner. Mormons are nice people, but they still need our love, and just because they have the Bible, doesn't mean that they use it or understand it. People always twist things to their own design. Too many people get tricked into their system thinking that they are Christians just like all the others...but they really aren't...
unshakeable15
03-07-2004, 05:29 PM
i say all of this to encourage those of you who are around mormons a lot [whether it be school or work] just share the love of Jesus with them. it'll plant seeds and gain their respect for you. so that later on, they may come up to you and start asking questions about christianity. and if not, maybe later on in their life God will bring another Christian along to reap the harvest [so to speak].
great advice. it doens't just work for Mormon's tho. it works for anybody. a debate, argument or logical explanation of the Scriptures or God can only go so far. showing love to people is what gets things on a deeper level.
of course, even showing love & explaining everything you believe in the simplest terms only goes so far. a friend of mine says this all the time. "we talk to their ears, God speaks to their heart."
theelectric3
03-07-2004, 06:48 PM
great advice. it doens't just work for Mormon's tho. it works for anybody. a debate, argument or logical explanation of the Scriptures or God can only go so far. showing love to people is what gets things on a deeper level.
of course, even showing love & explaining everything you believe in the simplest terms only goes so far. a friend of mine says this all the time. "we talk to their ears, God speaks to their heart."
good points, thanks for bringing those up.
another thing, mormons believe that if they do enough good works, they'll get into heaven. which means what Jesus went through was worthless...for nothing. remember that our works don't get us into heaven. some of the best meaning people will end up in hell because it's not enough. God the Father demands perfection and it is only through Jesus Christ [accepting what He did for us, asking Him to be Lord of our life and giving our all to Him] that we know forgiveness and love. and can enter heaven.
ashenkashea
03-07-2004, 07:44 PM
I agree with you guys about how they can be nice people. I work with this guy who's about my age (16) and he's the nicest guy ever. We've talked about his beliefs before, and I guess he got the wrong idea about our conversation because he gave me a Book of Morman and keeps asking me if I've been praying about if that's truth or not. I made it clear to him that I wasn't interested in becoming Morman, but he keeps pushing it. If I try to talk to him about what I believe it's like it goes in one ear and out the other. I don't know what to say to him. This is an interesting thread. I was glad to see what others thought about witnessing to people.
gimmick
03-07-2004, 10:13 PM
quick side note from the serious stuff, but has anyone seen the South Park about mormons?
lol funny stuff
skilletosis
03-08-2004, 08:31 AM
I agree with you guys about how they can be nice people. I work with this guy who's about my age (16) and he's the nicest guy ever. We've talked about his beliefs before, and I guess he got the wrong idea about our conversation because he gave me a Book of Morman and keeps asking me if I've been praying about if that's truth or not. I made it clear to him that I wasn't interested in becoming Morman, but he keeps pushing it. If I try to talk to him about what I believe it's like it goes in one ear and out the other. I don't know what to say to him. This is an interesting thread. I was glad to see what others thought about witnessing to people.
The reason he keeps asking you if you have been praying about it is because they firmly believe that God will cause a burning in your heart to believe that Mormonism is truth, and that you can trust that burning in your heart. You need to study. A couple of suggestions are Bob Morey at faithdefenders.com you will need to go into the Sermons Section, World Religions, scroll down to Mormonism. That will give alot of quick info. A great book is Reasoning From the Scriptures With The Mormons by Ron Rhodes and Marian Bodine. I gave my mom that book when she was interested in Mormonism. I need a new copy......
Joseph Smith in thier eyes is a profit of God. You can point out his many false prophecies and what the bible says about a false profit. Duet. 13:1-5 the penalty of a false profit. Jer 28:1-17 pay close attention to verse 9 falsehood evidenced by nonfulfillment. Jer 23:24-26.
Remember don't let them change the subject. They are very good at it.
If you use the formula MAP Manuscript evidence, Archealogical evidence, Prophetical evidence. You can show the evidence against Mormonism. If you want I can post a little bit each day on these subjects. Let me know.
And Always use the King James version of the bible when witnessing to the Mormons. They do not recognize any other translation.
skilltroks
03-09-2004, 03:55 PM
I want to know more about mormosism... why they believe what they believe.. so I get a book on it from the library. I'm scared to read it tho.. b.c I might find mormonsim convicing.
alorian
03-09-2004, 04:33 PM
one thing about them, they don't believe in hell. they believe in 3 different forms of heaven that are as different as the sun the moon and the stars, they say. this is their answer for "did ghandi go to hell? but he was all about love and peace?" they say why keep those not in the club out of the clubhouse, seriously messed up.
theelectric3
03-09-2004, 04:53 PM
I want to know more about mormosism... why they believe what they believe.. so I get a book on it from the library. I'm scared to read it tho.. b.c I might find mormonsim convicing.
compare what you read to the Bible. see what the word of God has to say about it. and discuss what you read with a trusted Christian friend, or youth pastor, or your mom and dad. pray that the Lord will open your eyes on how to better witness to them through this information. that you will know where they are coming from, and with His wisdom and guidance, you can help point the way to Jesus Christ.
the link that Skilletosis gave is a good site. it has good information that you might want to check out as well.
skilletosis
03-10-2004, 09:13 AM
I want to know more about mormosism... why they believe what they believe.. so I get a book on it from the library. I'm scared to read it tho.. b.c I might find mormonsim convicing.
The book I mentioned above by Ron Rhodes does an excellent job at comparing the Bible to Mormon Doctrin. It showes what the bible says then quotes direct Mormon sources on thier doctrines. There is a compete bibliography on each quote given. It is written to show how to witness to a Mormon with a question and answer format also.
Stand firm on the Bible. If any teaching goes against what it says then it is false. Thier are multilple differences in doctine between the Bible and Mormonism.
skilletosis
03-11-2004, 11:50 AM
I just wanted to point out to everyone who lives where it is Springtime or even summer. Wherever the weather has very recently gotten nice. This is the time of the year when Mormons do alot of door to door witnessing. So just pray and prepare. They will knock on your door when you least expect it....
relentlessone
03-11-2004, 11:56 AM
yknow i kinda wish that some mormons would come knocking... i think nothing happens by coincedence... so, if all a sudden you're surprised by a mormon at your door, dont freak out, god probably set up one of those divine appointments, and you might end up leading them in a sinners prayer... god does that kind of stuff ;)
unshakeable15
03-11-2004, 12:00 PM
yknow i kinda wish that some mormons would come knocking... i think nothing happens by coincedence... so, if all a sudden you're surprised by a mormon at your door, dont freak out, god probably set up one of those divine appointments, and you might end up leading them in a sinners prayer... god does that kind of stuff ;)
yes He does do that kind of stuff, but it also means we need to be prepared for it. remember 2 Timothy 4. 2-3: Preach the Word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage--with great patience and careful instruction. 3For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. we need to be prepared all the time to share God's love with anybody, not just Mormons. but moreso with them because of how they have been trained.
theelectric3
03-11-2004, 07:18 PM
good point.
Penyu
03-11-2004, 10:36 PM
Mormons are a tricky subject. I tell you what, I got a lot of 'em where I live, and they're sooooooo fine! I couldn't believe it. I think the whole have a billion kids thing is really working out for them. I mean if you have so many, one of them's bound to turn out right. Right?
But seriously, I've done a lot of research on the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (they prefer LDS, because it sounds cooler), and it's pitiful. So many people are in bondage to their doctrine, because of the pressure that they put on their followers, and that's exactly what it is, pressure.
But you know, we think that we need to know more about their "religion" (I'd say cult), but how does knowing lies establish truth. It doesn't. You should really get to know what the Bible says first, because we know that it is the truth, and you can't go wrong with the truth. If you are worried about getting tricked, know that if you hold fast to the Lord, He won't forsake you.
Peace!
skilletosis
03-12-2004, 07:28 AM
If God has laid witnessing to Mormons on you heart; in order to witness to them you need to know what they believe in order to show to them what the bible says. When doing a comparative study you will read and learn alot about the bible. For example both Christians and Mormons believe in Jesus. But when you discover thier teaching of who Jesus is, how he came to be, who his "spirit brother" is; you will find that they believe in a totally different Jesus than the Jesus of the Bible.
Penyu
03-12-2004, 11:41 PM
If God has laid witnessing to Mormons on you heart; in order to witness to them you need to know what they believe in order to show to them what the bible says. When doing a comparative study you will read and learn alot about the bible. For example both Christians and Mormons believe in Jesus. But when you discover thier teaching of who Jesus is, how he came to be, who his "spirit brother" is; you will find that they believe in a totally different Jesus than the Jesus of the Bible.
Even still, this is disputed even among the LDS church, so my encouragement of knowing God's true word is wiser, so that when a member proposes false teaching, you can correct them. Many LDS churches argue among themselves as to the deity of Christ. Some will even present ideas to you that seem in your favor. They are not in your favor. Much like the JWs, Mormons will avoid their true doctrine to those who are not mormons. In fact, if you are not as active a member as those higher up (elders, bishops, etc.), then you don't know some of the more sacred details of Mormon doctrine. It's not until it is apparent that you are a dedicated member that they reveal to you the "blessings" of added doctrine. For instance, you cannot visit the temple, unless you have a temple recomend from your bishop. You must prove yourself a worthy follower in order to be allowed into such a "holy" place. To bad that they don't know that if you have accepted Jesus Christ as your Lord, then He has sent His Holy Spirit to live inside of you, making you much more holy than any temple.
These things will not be revealed to you, but you must be solid in the truth before you are cast out into a sea of lies. If you don't have the sword, what kind of defense or attack can you make?
skilletosis
03-13-2004, 09:21 AM
oh I hear ya. When my mom was baptised LDS she had no idea what the differences between chistianity and mormonism were. I pointed a few things out to her and her jaw pretty much hit the floor. For my mom her elders had moved away and she was waiting for new ones to move to her area (she lives in the sticks). Yes you really need to know the bible. But if you want to be involved in a ministry specifically witnessing to mormons you do need to have an idea of what your gonna be hearing so that you know what to concentrate on. Two things said very often by mormons is "were christians too" and "we believe in Jesus also". But boy is thier doctrine is so vastly different.
However a good starting point would be Joseph Smith a false profit.
skynes
03-14-2004, 12:22 PM
if you are not as active a member as those higher up (elders, bishops, etc.), then you don't know some of the more sacred details of Mormon doctrine. It's not until it is apparent that you are a dedicated member that they reveal to you the "blessings" of added doctrine.
That reminds me quite a bit of free masonry
Penyu
03-15-2004, 07:30 AM
That reminds me quite a bit of free masonry
Yeah, it is said that Joseph Smith and his comrads got quite a bit of their "ideas" from the free masons. In fact there is a strong bitterness between the both of them because the free masons accuse the Mormons of stealing that heresy from them. There is also a book, I don't know what it's called, but it was written before Mormonism, and they say they there are many similarities between the Mormon doctrine and many of the principals in that book. All of this stuff is in a book called "Mormons Answered Verse by Verse". It's written by the same guy that wrote "Fast Facts On False Teaching", both very good books to refer to on the subject. Another good book that was written more to inform the Christian rather than evangelise to Mormons is a book called "God Makers", which also is out on video. These are all good things, because they refer right to scripture and are written by guys who were actually involved in many of those cults.
underdog0
03-21-2004, 08:33 PM
I havn't had any real experience with Mormons or JW's but my Uncle has daughter (I never meet) that's JW. He tried to debate with her and her leaders for a while but it didn't work to well. And the leaders said that he was trying to deceive so now she won't listen to him. So, he stepped back and just encouraged her to read the Bible; even through the distortion that they have the Lord is showing her things and now she's questioning what they believe!
So, when working with someone, just encouage them to get in and read the Bible (B. of Morman not included), the Lord will move.
Penyu
03-21-2004, 09:23 PM
Yeah, if you talk to a JW or a Mormon, try not to let them know other JWs or Mormons that you know, because they will tell them to stay away from you, then you will never be able to speak to them.
skilletgirl
01-27-2006, 09:25 AM
my friend Jon is sort of an ex mormon.. but even though he decided not to really follow the morman path.. he still isn't following Jesus.. so.. its so hard either way!
Isildur9473
01-27-2006, 10:20 AM
I go to school around Mormons. About 65 percent of my school is Mormon. :\
theelectric3
01-27-2006, 03:58 PM
i found out my last year of high school that the city i went to school had the largest mormon population... second to Utah...
pretty crazy. i never realized so many lived around where i do.
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